Help to decide between 4 diamonds

[Russell1234]

Hello everyone,

This is my second post and everyone has been very helpful!

I'm trying to choose between these 4 diamonds. What would have the best appearance overall to the eye? I don't want to see any inclusions to the naked eye, even up close and in bright light so bit worried about the VS2 option. If there was no way you would ever see the inclusion to the eye I wouldn't mind going for it.

Apart from no visible inclusion, I really want it to have great fire, brightness, sparkle etc and to look good in all lights.

I'm leaning towards the first one (JA) as it is GIA and VVS2, but not sure how the cut compares to the others? (Report at the bottom)

I would be really appreciative of any help you can all give. Thanks!

1. https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...olor-vvs2-clarity-true-hearts-cut-sku-8205436
2. https://www.brilliantearth.com/rings/cyorings/view_diamond/9270329/?sid=1325454
3. https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4212263.htm
4. https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4212240.htm

 

[Snowdrop13]

Is there some reason you need high colour and clarity? Without a doubt I’d go for one of the Whiteflash options. You could easily drop to G VS2 and get more bang for your buck,

Diamond | 1.234 ct G VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4226207

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.234 carat G color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4226207

www.whiteflash.com

Why not ask WF to do a side by side comparison for you? They are very helpful that way.

Heck, if it were me, I’d consider H colour too,

Diamond | 1.316 ct H VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4128808

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.316 carat H color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4128808

www.whiteflash.com

Edit to add- just to confuse you even more, here is a gorgeous CBI stone

https://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD10859

 

[X5M]

Out of the options you have listed I’d go for the WF G VS2

 

[tyty333]

Out of the 4 you posted I would go with this one...this one seems like a really good price

Diamond | 1.110 ct F VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4212263

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.110 carat F color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4212263

www.whiteflash.com

But if it were up to me I would go with this one that @Snowdrop13 posted. I'm not color sensitive and G is still plenty high on the color chart for me
(but maybe not for you)

Diamond | 1.234 ct G VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4226207

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.234 carat G color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4226207

www.whiteflash.com

You can ask WF for a side-by-side picture of the F and G to get an idea of the size/color difference. Post here please if you ask for it.

Edit...also ask WF if you can see anything from the sides of the stones if that is important to you.

 

[Russell1234]

Now I've realised I've made a stupid mistake and haven't included VAT as I live in the UK....

Having to look at cheaper options!

I found these 3 and wondered your thoughts compared to the WF VS2 (I didn't ask for a colour difference but I'll post it if I change my mind) ?

- https://www.gia.edu/UK-EN/report-check?reportno=2326923480

- https://www.gia.edu/UK-EN/report-check?reportno=1325033106

- https://www.gia.edu/UK-EN/report-check?reportno=1196725275

These are cheaper!

Thanks all

 

[lovedogs]

Now I've realised I've made a stupid mistake and haven't included VAT as I live in the UK....

Having to look at cheaper options!

I found these 3 and wondered your thoughts compared to the WF VS2 (I didn't ask for a colour difference but I'll post it if I change my mind) ?

- https://www.gia.edu/UK-EN/report-check?reportno=2326923480

- https://www.gia.edu/UK-EN/report-check?reportno=1325033106

- https://www.gia.edu/UK-EN/report-check?reportno=1196725275

These are cheaper!

Thanks all

Do you have pics of any of the 3? In 99.9% of cases I would always go for a super ideal diamond from WF vs a random GIA one. Also the WF option means you arent paying extra for clarity that you won't see (vvs compared to vs wont be visible to the naked eye)

 

[Russell1234]

I don't at the moment but I have requested them.

I thought that the GIAs would be better as all higher colour and clarities.

Is it because the cut is better on the WF that it will look much better?

Thanks

 

[Snowdrop13]

@Russell1234 high colour and clarity does not make a stone ”better”, it’s the CUT that makes the diamond do what it’s supposed to, ie sparkle like crazy. The reason we often recommend the superideal cuts is that if you’re buying online there’s no guesswork with these.

What is your budget? Is it for the stone alone, or with a setting?

You could consider using Blue Nile as their prices include VAT and they have a good return policy (they ship from Ireland). Look for stones with the following parameters:

table: 54-58
depth: 60-62.3
crown angle: 34-35.0
pavilion angle: 40.6-40.9 (sometimes 41.0)

you should be absolutely fine with G or H VS2 if the cut is excellent/ideal.

 

[lovedogs]

I don't at the moment but I have requested them.

I thought that the GIAs would be better as all higher colour and clarities.

Is it because the cut is better on the WF that it will look much better?

Thanks

There is much more that goes into a stone than color and clarity (although both of those things are important too). You will not be able to see the difference between a VS and VVS stone with the naked eye, so VVS won't look "Better". It will just cost more. Color is a bit different, since there are some people who can see the difference between a D vs F vs G stone. But for most people, G looks very white. So a G/VS2 or G SI1 (eye clean) is usually a nice set of specs in terms of color/clarity becuase it allows you to stretch your budget.

The most important thing in a diamond is cut. Cut is what makes the stone sparkle and look brilliant. Not the color or clarity (though of course a super included I2 won't look as sparkly as an eye clean stone if there are huge black inclusions, but that is an extreme example).

WF "a cut above" are super ideal cut stones.

 

[Russell1234]

Thanks lovedogs and snowdrop13 that is super helpful for me.

My budget is £7000 for the diamond all in, after VAT and shipment.

I was looking at WF but the extra VAT to ship to UK makes them very expensive. The question I guess is it still worth it even after VAT?

Thanks all

 

[flyingpig]

JA does not offer a good value in this case.
BE is out. The pavilion is wonky and it is leaky at two spots.
It is between the two WF diamonds.

 

[tyty333]

Now I've realised I've made a stupid mistake and haven't included VAT as I live in the UK....

Having to look at cheaper options!

I found these 3 and wondered your thoughts compared to the WF VS2 (I didn't ask for a colour difference but I'll post it if I change my mind) ?

Too deep and too high pavilion angle
- https://www.gia.edu/UK-EN/report-check?reportno=2326923480
Better but would want to see an aset image with the high crown...depth we usually max out at 62.3 so slightly deep
- https://www.gia.edu/UK-EN/report-check?reportno=1325033106
Still deep with a high crown angle...would want an aset
- https://www.gia.edu/UK-EN/report-check?reportno=1196725275

Do you have any images of these stones?

These are cheaper!

Thanks all

Unfortunately, we dont know what VAT is here in the US so really dont know what your budget is. Can you back out VAT and shipping for a stone in
the price range you're looking at and give us that figure...say like $7000. That way we can help you. Also, I would drop down to VS1 range on
the clarity to max out on size (but, that's me).

 

[Russell1234]

Ideally a diamond up to $6500 - from Whiteflash ideally, I think!

Thanks

 

[Russell1234]

I'm thinking of going for one of these two:
- https://www.bluenile.com/uk/diamond-details/LD09832649
- https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4183588.htm

Would anyone suggest one is much better than the other?

Thanks!

 

[LittleKite]

I'm thinking of going for one of these two:
- https://www.bluenile.com/uk/diamond-details/LD09832649
- https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4183588.htm

Would anyone suggest one is much better than the other?

Thanks!

This time I will go with the the bluenile stone. It looks to me that WF stone has some slight painting, which I do not like.

 

[Russell1234]

Thanks - what do you mean by painting?

The Blue Nile is Astor ideal so I'm hoping the cut is good, but I would appreciate anyone's opinion.

Thanks

 

[Russell1234]

This time I will go with the the bluenile stone. It looks to me that WF stone has some slight painting, which I do not like.

Thanks - what do you mean by painting?

The Blue Nile is Astor ideal so I'm hoping the cut is good, but I would appreciate anyone's opinion.

Thanks

 

[LittleKite]

Thanks - what do you mean by painting?

The Blue Nile is Astor ideal so I'm hoping the cut is good, but I would appreciate anyone's opinion.

Thanks

Check here for crown-only painting.

Visible Effects of Painting & Digging on Superideal Diamonds

With grateful acknowledgment to John Pollard, Sergey Sivovolenko, AGSL and GIA Laboratories for valuable resources and input. Graphics produced with DiamCalc software by OctoNus. Note: This article pertains only to […]

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