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Babybear73

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I found these two stones

1) 3.07 Carat
Color G
Clarity VS2
measurements: 10.09 x 7.44 x 4.53
Polish Exellent
Symmetry Excellent
Fluorescence none
Table 71%
Thick girdle
depth 60.9%
culet none

2) 3.45 carat
Color F
Clarity VS2
measurements 10.58 x 7.84 x 4.80
polish excellent
symmetry very good
fluorescence none
table 67%
slightly thich to thich girdle
depth 61.2
very small culet

Can anyone give their opinion?
Thanks for any input.
 
Are they GIA? The G table is fairly large, I'm surprised that one is excellent, excellent. Would need lots more info like ASETS. 3 carat emerald cut..: how exciting!
 
Also, both measure very large for their carat weight so be careful they are not too shallow.
 
Thanks for your reply. Both are GIA from Kwiat. The 3.45 one is about 10 K more than the other. At first, I was over the moon with the 3.07 one. But since finding out about this site and the comments here, I am worried that it is too shallow. To me, it's beautiful.
The 3.45 one does look much bigger. I don't have any ASET info.

Any other input would be so greatly appreciated.

Thanks
 
Emerald cuts are different and I would say the shallowness does not matter as much in these cuts. If you think it is beautiful... I would go for it! On paper it really is a great stone and if you have seen it in person then you are in luck! Do you mind me asking the price?
 
Can you please post photos of the ECs in question?

EC1
71% table is huge, relative to the 60% depth. If the other angles are not in the correct combination, this could be a dead and glassy stone. It is very likely that this EC will not exhibit much fire.

EC2
Again, the large table could signal issues. I would have to see the EC to be sure.
 
EC1: around 68K
EC2: 78K
Thanks everyone. Please keep the opinions coming. I feel like I need more thoughts here.
 
I can comment more if you can post the pictures. Have you seen the ECs? I am doubtful you will get comments without pictures because ECs cannot be purchased by any set of numbers or formulae.
 
Don't like those numbers on either one. Tables too large.

Rare to find emerald cuts with great numbers but here is one. You should buy THIS one:
Way under your budget too! 65/% depth which will make it face up larger and 55% table
Very nice!

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/3.70-carat-h-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-356948

DIAMOND SPECIFICATIONS
SKU: 356948
This Asscher Cut 3.70 Carat H Color VVS2 Clarity has a diamond grading report from GIA

SHAPE: ASSCHER
CARAT WEIGHT: 3.70
COLOR: H
CLARITY: VVS2
POLISH: VERY GOOD
SYMMETRY: VERY GOOD
FLUORESCENCE: NONE
L/W/D (MM): 9.19*8.53*5.61
L/W RATIO: 1.08

DEPTH %: 65.80
GIRDLE: SLIGHTLY THICK
TABLE %: 55.00
CULET: LARGE
CERTIFICATE: GIA
 
So here is my two sense. I did a ton of research before I bought my emerald cut. Only you can really look at the stone and know it's beauty. If you are an OCD type person, then I would suggest going for a more perfect stone on paper. You may look back and some the negatives may bother you. However, I think a larger table can be completely fine on an emerald cut. AND it faces up a lot bigger! So look at that diamond and if you feel it gives off enough fire and sparkle, for an emerald cut, then go for it. It is the right color and clarity and remember, the GIA listed it as excellent, excellent. Keep us updated!
 
Another house emailed me these specs: I don't have any photos.
1)3.01
E
VS1
Polish: very good
sym good
depth 75
table 70
11.01 x 6.17 x 4.64
no fluorescence



2) 3.22
H
IF
Very good
Excellent
depth 67.6
Table 63
8.86 x 7.86 x 5.31
no fluorescence

What do you think of these instead of the other two?
I haven't seen these yet. I will hopefully see them tomorrow.
 
I would be cautious if the symmetry on the 3.01 E VS1 is only Good. Other than that, you have your eyes to go by.
 
Thank you everyone, esp Chrono and Emeraldsaremyfavorite and Ariel144.

Although the online selections look amazing, I am wary of buying online. Please forgive that preference...
So, I've been to Leviev and Kwiat.

I think that these are my choices:

1) Leviev:
3.16
H
IF
9.71 x 7.65 x 4.73mm
table 65%
depth 61.8%
culet very small
girdle : thin to slightly thick
Polish excellent
Symmetry Very good
fluorescence faint: medium blue

2) Leviev:
3.50
H
VS2
9.86x 7.41 x 5.01
table 62%
depth 67.6%
culet none
girdle: thick
polish excellent
symmetry excellent
no fluorescence

3) Kwiat
3.07
G
VS2
10.09 x 7.44 x 4.53
table 71%
depth 60.9%
culet none
girdle thick
polish excellent
symmetry excellent
no fluorescence

These are my thoughts:
1) Leviev cuts their own diamonds. The scintillation and fire were incredible. Breathtaking.
2) Kwiat has an upgrade program, so potentially, I could get a bigger stone at another time. Not sure if Leviev does that.
3) The Kwiat stone did have fire. But I can't get over the shallowness of the stone. However, it looked bigger.

I guess that although I know that the Leviev one has good dimensions, incredible in real life--I don't want it to look small.

Can someone talk me off the ledge? Please reassure me that these dimensions are going to be large and impressive as well.
What I don't want is to have this 3.5 carat stone--but look like a 2 carat stone.

HELP?!?
 
Personally... I would go for number 3. The table wouldn't bother me if you have seen and and say it has fire. It seems like a perfect stone other than facing up large which I think is great in Emerald cuts! Number 2 is safer if you feel that you just need to be in that safe sweet spot. I have 3.01 Emerald cut and it looks like a 2.5, honestly. Emerald cuts just look smaller! So I decided to go for a 70% because I wanted a stone to face up bigger... All about trade offs!
 
Thank you Emeraldsaremyfavorite. Could u kindly post another pic of your ring? The one that I found of yours is a bit hazy. I just wanted to see what that looked like on the finger.

I'm in agony. This website has ruined me b/c I would never have known about ideal table or dimensions. I would have been happy with a bigger looking diamond. But I am OCD and into numbers. I feel like I will always look at this diamond wondering.

Another question is the 2nd diamond from Leviev: 9.86 x 7.41 x 5.01 with a table of 62%--would that look smaller than the other diamond with the table of 65? that is does the larger table of 65 vs 62 make that diamond look bigger? Or is it still the overall dimensions that will make it look bigger?
 
Based on what you are saying I would go for the excellent, excellent. If it even remotely bothers you now, chances are it always will. I have my loose diamond in a clip ring right now. My setting is supposed to be done by Tuesday. It's a 3 stone setting with 2 trapezoids. It measures 9.88x7.18. Hope this gives you a good frame of reference._31263.jpg_31264.jpg

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Size is compared by diameter measurements and not table size. An emerald cut with great proportions will have a table that is not large so you can see the beautiful steps of the crown (while not being too deep or two shallow). I would set a limit of 65 on table size.

The videos on the James Allen site are at least useful to be able to see how the crowns of the stones look as the stone turns in the video. The stone already posted is an excellent example. It's listed under asscher but is not square so it really is more of an EC to me.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/asscher-cut/3.70-carat-h-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-356948

Of these last posted stones, I think the second one looks like it has potential. But as I think Chrono said earlier, we really can't do more than screen based on numbers because we'd have to see pictures of the stones. In any event, I would want a much wider range of stones to choose from. Great emerald cuts are not common, so you really have to look at a lot of them to be able to narrow down the best cut ones. Although, I will add, jewelry store lighting makes almost everything look good, so that is a good reason to take a couple home (with an unconditional) return period so you can observe the stones in various lighting.
 
Emeraldsaremyfavorite|1434763411|3891569 said:
Based on what you are saying I would go for the excellent, excellent. If it even remotely bothers you now, chances are it always will. I have my loose diamond in a clip ring right now. My setting is supposed to be done by Tuesday. It's a 3 stone setting with 2 trapezoids. It measures 9.88x7.18. Hope this gives you a good frame of reference.
Click to expand...

Beautiful! I look forward to seeing the finished ring!
 
Sorry everyone for prolonging this thread. A finding has emerged that has made my decision more difficult.
These two stones are now the same price. Which would you pick?


Kwiat:
3.45 carat
Color F
Clarity VS2
measurements 10.58 x 7.84 x 4.80
polish excellent
symmetry very good
fluorescence none
table 67%
slightly thich to thich girdle
depth 61.2
very small culet




Leviev:
3.16
H
IF
9.71 x 7.65 x 4.73mm
table 65%
depth 61.8%
culet very small
girdle : thin to slightly thick
Polish excellent
Symmetry Very good
fluorescence faint: medium blue

I don't have a pic of the Leviev one.

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Can anyone help me out here?
Finally have comparison pics:

Kwiat 3.45 F VS2



Leviev 3.16 H IF

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Neither; both look to have poor cut quality. If I HAD to pick one, the Leviev is slightly better cut.
 
I am by NO means a diamond expert and cannot tell if these stones are well cut from pictures alone. But... The GIA numbers are great and you have seen them in person and like them, hopefully love them. Therefore, I see no reason why not to choose one if they are in your budget. I definitely like the F color one better, but go with your heart.
 
I will add that I cannot see a step pattern in the pictures, can you in person? I posted my stone above and my steps are bold and clear and that's what I love about emeralds.
 
I am in agreement with Chrono that I'd keep looking for a better cut one, but of these two, I also agree that the Leviev is slightly better cut.
 
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