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Help Needed! We dont want to make a mistake buying a diamond

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carlyt86

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Hi All,

I am new to the forum but have been lurking for about a year. i love looking at all the pictures of the rings. Now its my turn to get my ring and as most of us do i have researched many sites to see what the best is I can get for my money. i have a budget of around 15k possibly a little more if needed.
We are planning on buying in store not online. We have visited Raymond Lee in Boca last weekend. the link below is to a nice stone we saw there. It is an L color however it was next to a M and the difference in the yellow is miles. I would say I didn't notice any yellow on the L but it was very obvious in the M.

http://raymondleejewelers.net/diamondsearch2.php

I ran the numbers through the HCA tool and it returned 0.8 i think i done it correct.

Any advice would be great. I am also struggling to find a setting I love. There are settings I like but none i love. I do have the same wedding band as this and love this setting but have no idea where to find it. Any suggestions?

Thank you in advance.
Please help with this one we dont want to buy a stone that is not worth the money when all it takes is a little more time to find the right one.
 
Re: Help Needed! We dont want to make a mistake buying a dia

I am by no means an expert on anything, but since you have not yet received any responses I will tell you that I think these type questions are fielded in the Rocky Talk forum. I believe this forum is for items already purchased. You may find more responses over there, and they do a fabulous job of directing people to awesome stones for purchase.

Ps. the link only took me to the search, not to a specific diamond.
 
Re: Help Needed! We dont want to make a mistake buying a dia

Oops. Didn't look hard enough. I just noticed you did post over there. I'm not sure if this is the problem, but the link didn't work correctly on that post either. You may want to try again with a valid link.
 
Re: Help Needed! We dont want to make a mistake buying a dia

carlyt86|1423152563|3827777 said:
Hi All,

I am new to the forum but have been lurking for about a year. i love looking at all the pictures of the rings. Now its my turn to get my ring and as most of us do i have researched many sites to see what the best is I can get for my money. i have a budget of around 15k possibly a little more if needed.
We are planning on buying in store not online. We have visited Raymond Lee in Boca last weekend. the link below is to a nice stone we saw there. It is an L color however it was next to a M and the difference in the yellow is miles. I would say I didn't notice any yellow on the L but it was very obvious in the M.

http://raymondleejewelers.net/diamondsearch2.php

I ran the numbers through the HCA tool and it returned 0.8 i think i done it correct.

Any advice would be great. I am also struggling to find a setting I love. There are settings I like but none i love. I do have the same wedding band as this and love this setting but have no idea where to find it. Any suggestions?

Thank you in advance.
Please help with this one we dont want to buy a stone that is not worth the money when all it takes is a little more time to find the right one.
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With such a healthy budget why would you purchase an L stone. Unless you want a huge stone and want to compromise on color. IDK....there are PS who love warmer stones but 90% have a love for older stones or already have an ering with higher color.

What specs size, shape setting do yu have in mind. Plus you know if you buy from B&M espeiically in Boca your going to pay through the nose...
 
Re: Help Needed! We dont want to make a mistake buying a dia

Why are they trying to sell you such low colored stones? Are they modern cuts?

What are you expecting for your budget? Unless you are being unreasonable about your size requirements I can't see a reason to go down to anything below K... seriously.

Who graded the stones? If they are not GIA or AGS graded: Run,do not walk, away.

And if they are graded by GIA or AGS please call and get the lab report numbers (do not tell them why, they should give them to you with no problem, if they don't... there is a problem) and post them here.

What are you looking for with your budget.
 
Re: Help Needed! We dont want to make a mistake buying a dia

thanks for the response.

Im looking for a 2 carat, I would like it vs2 or above. I have the GIA number, GIA / 1162298360. I have found it on their search on the GIA site, i don't have any doubt its graded by them due to this. my main concern is the color i dont want to rush into it i am willing to wait to find the right stone.

I did try rocky talky but no ones up for talky lol
 
Re: Help Needed! We dont want to make a mistake buying a dia

Wow. This is why I will buy online. This stone has a large crown angle, poor symmetry and is a pretty low color. And the dealer wants 15k. Thanks to all these helpful PSers, I am buying online, more info, less pressure, less hustle, and much more blind for my money.
 
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Yeah. You are getting ripped off. BADLY ripped off. If they are quoting you an L with only Very good cut (which is no where near good enough, and the numbers on the proportions are TERRIBLE) carat for your budget.

Here you go. Buy this:
Gorgeous J VS2: https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R210-93VHNN?cid=pricescope Perfect idealscope= excellent performance from OVER 2 carats and 8.2mm. :love: Video, images, everything you need posted. Eyeclean too.



A 2 carat J VS2, with excellent proportions that predict great light performance, like the one below, from a vendor that will get you pictures and an idealscope costs under 14k.
http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-6712530-2.00-carat-Round-diamond-J-color-VS2-Clarity.aspx?sku=6712530&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com
https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R200-UBYFA6?cid=pricescope


Or just over 15k for a K si1 eyeclean hearts and arrows AGS0 : http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3225748.htm?source=pricescope

2.5 carats. K VS1. If it's not over blue, it's a winner: http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-6328801-2.54-carat-Round-diamond-K-color-VS1-Clarity.aspx?sku=6328801&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com
 
Re: Help Needed! We dont want to make a mistake buying a dia

Gypsy|1423202204|3828171 said:
Here you go. Buy this:
Gorgeous J VS2: https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R210-93VHNN?cid=pricescope Perfect idealscope= excellent performance from OVER 2 carats and 8.2mm. :love: Video, images, everything you need posted. Eyeclean too.
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I inquired about this stone as well, but if I recall correctly this stone had a tint to it that the vendor mentioned. You can double check with them though as all the images and photos do look fantastic. They will give you whatever info they have on the stone.
 
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pfunk|1423203622|3828174 said:
Gypsy|1423202204|3828171 said:
Here you go. Buy this:
Gorgeous J VS2: https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R210-93VHNN?cid=pricescope Perfect idealscope= excellent performance from OVER 2 carats and 8.2mm. :love: Video, images, everything you need posted. Eyeclean too.
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I inquired about this stone as well, but if I recall correctly this stone had a tint to it that the vendor mentioned. You can double check with them though as all the images and photos do look fantastic. They will give you whatever info they have on the stone.
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Ahh... good information.

Oh well, not a big deal. There are plenty others in the price range with great stats.

If the OP decides to not get ripped off at the Boca jeweler... then we can help him find something just right.
 
Re: Help Needed! We dont want to make a mistake buying a dia

Here is what you need to know:
The entire purpose of faceting a diamond is to reflect light.
How well or how poorly a diamond does this determines how beautiful it is.
How well a diamond performs is determined by the angles and cutting. This is why we say cut is king.
No other factor: not color, not clarity has as much of an impact on the appearance of a diamond as its cut. An ideal H will out white a poorly cut F. And GIA Ex is not enough. And you must stick to GIA and AGS only. EGL is a bad option: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/egl-certification-are-any-of-them-ok.142863/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/egl-certification-are-any-of-them-ok.142863/[/URL]
So how to we ensure that we have the right angles and cutting to get the light performance we want? Well first you want to stick to stones that have a crown angle of 34 (33.5 okay for 60/60 style stones) and over, a pavilion angle of 41 and under, and no deeper than 62.5
https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/diamond-cut
Well one method is to start with a GIA Ex, and then apply the HCA to it. YOU DO NOT USE HCA for AGS0 stones.
https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/holloway-cut-advisor
The HCA is a rejection tool. Not a selection tool. It uses 4 data points to make a rudimentary call on how the diamond may perform.
If the diamond passes then you know that you are in the right zone in terms of angles for light performance. Under 2 is a pass. Under 2.5-2.1 is a maybe. 2.6 and over is a no. No score 2 and under is better than any other.
Is that enough? Not really.
So what you need is a way to check actual light performance of your actual stone.
That's what an idealscope image does. https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/firescope-idealscope
It shows you how and wear your diamond is reflecting light, how well it is going at it, and where you are losing light return. That is why you won't see us recommending Blue Nile, as they do not provide idealscope images for their diamonds. BGD, James Allen, GOG, HPD, ERD and WF do.

The Idealscope is the 'selection tool'. Not the HCA.
So yes, with a GIA stone you need the idealscope images. Or you can buy an idealscope yourself and take it in to the jeweler you are working with to check the stones yourself. Or if you have a good return policy (full refund minimum 7 days) then you can buy the idealscope, buy the stone, and do it at home.


Now if you want to skip all that... stick to AGS0 stones and then all you have to do is pick color and clarity and you know you have a great performing diamond. Because AGS has already done the checking for you. That's why they trade at a premiu
 
Re: Help Needed! We dont want to make a mistake buying a dia

than you so much gypsy for simplifying that! I had been reading & reading & honestly it was going over my head! You made it clear in one paragraph!
I see why you have previously mentioned the crown as this stone i have looked at is 36 which is too high.

Now to help me get a better understanding does this mean that the stone will not sparkle the way a diamond should? (Now im furthering my education when looking at other stones)
Is this noticeable to everyone or people who specializes in working with diamonds? For instance would a friend or admirer think the stone is not nice/ great due to this one factor. Or is everything considered?

Thank you again
 
Re: Help Needed! We dont want to make a mistake buying a dia

Ok so here's some information for you:

This is the best COMP I was able to find for the pricing.
http://www.solomonbrothers.com/DiamondDetail.aspx?sku=768Y3768&affiliate=9318613A-AD0C-4530-A456-0409DFEFB8DE&utm_source=PriceScope polish and symmetry on this are better than the stone you are considering though. But it is a 60/60 and yours isn't. Plus yours is in a brick and mortar store, so it will can be priced a little higher. But... not several thousand higher.


Please use KNOWLEDGE tab at top for your questions on cut in general. Here's one link to get you started: https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/diamond-cut

Regarding the actual stone you are considering: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/experts-needed-on-diamond-proportions.210439/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/experts-needed-on-diamond-proportions.210439/[/URL] I started this thread for you. Because your question is more advanced than I can answer.

There are rules here for vendor/professional trade person participation. So you have to be careful how to work your request when you ask them for help. That's why I posted it for you, I wanted to make sure it was in a format they could respond to.
 
Re: Help Needed! We dont want to make a mistake buying a dia

I cant thank you enough for your help on this and posting another topic for me!
 
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