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Re: Help needed to choose between these 2+carat round diamon
Fluorescence does come in many colors. But blue is the one you "want." And it doesn't really give the diamond a "color" in any other lighting than UV/Black lighting or major sunlight. But blue fluorescence may help cut some of the inherent warmth in a "lower" color diamond. Not a given but in some circumstances it helps offset it. A G or H is not a bad color. It's not yellow.
Tiffany might need some time, as I mentioned before, they tend to carry stones that fall in to larger table / deeper stone territory.
Well if #4 is bothering you at all, it's not the one. Eliminate it. #5 was the one that fell within ideal. Yes it's smaller. But I don't know what you mean by "less clean." You're not looking at anything that was not eye clean at all. Have you seen without magnification any of the inclusions? If not, you're having a mind cleanliness issue we should discuss.CuteTeacup|1421908949|3820273 said:ame|1421845110|3819776 said:The specs I gave you are fine. "Ridiculously restrictive" my a$$. They're the AGS standards, which is who actually grades for cut. GIA's "standards for cut quality" are so huge you can drive a semi through them. Take those with a grain of salt. These brands are cut for size, color and clarity, not for cut quality. Those are more the factors they care about. You're not going to get a hideous diamond from these brands. But you can find the best cut based on AGS ideal cut numbers in their inventories, IF that matters to you, it might just take a while.CuteTeacup|1421830366|3819722 said:ame|1421810550|3819627 said:Don't settle for anything that's not absolutely what your fiance and you both want. If that's her favorite ring, though, get that one. Regardless of specs on paper. She is wearing it. Get her what makes her happiest.
Don't pass on fluorescence unless you've seen it in person and know you don't like it. It can be a really nice trait AND save you money getting you a larger stone. It's spectacular in higher colors, as well.
If you can find something that is:
Total depth between 59 – 61.8%
Table diameter between 55 – 57%
Crown angle between 34.3 – 34.9 degrees
Pavilion angle between 40.6 – 40.9 degrees
Girdle thickness between thin to medium, faceted (bruted isn't bad, but faceted would be better)
Culet size: none
No, it's not OLD SCHOOL. Those numbers are AGS approved. *eyeroll* You're not going to find those there without major combing through inventory and a seriously patient sales associate. You're hopefully going to find 55-57% range there, likely above 57... but you'll find 55-57 via most ideal vendors. That's where most are cut to. Best yet, 55% with the right numbers. A 55% table with around a 60% depth, a 34.5 degree crown angle and a 40.7 or 40.8 pavilion. It's the secret sauce. In fact--send em that bolded part. lol you'll probably never get a stone through any of em at that rate.
You mean if she likes the visual looks of the ring, then it's alright to go with it even though the specs are slightly outside the cheat sheet? Or would it be better to wait for something within those specs since she'll probably like the looks even more?
Currently, I gave Tiffany the specs and am waiting to hear back. I will update those specs to what you just gave me too.
So fluorescence isn't a bad thing? What is generally a "better" color to accept? Is it generally a negative trait? Or neutral?
So these specs don't really change over time, including AGS / GIA standards?
Hopefully they can find something. Otherwise I may just settle with #5. My gf really like the looks of #4 though (the design mostly). However you said it's a bad idea to settle for that diamond and we should just have them find a better diamond in that setting right?
Thanks!
And yes, if she LOVES that ring and THAT stone, with her eyes, even if they fall outside of the cheat sheet, and she doesn't care about perfect on paper, that's the one to go with. If she doesn't love perfect on paper, that's fine. Go with what she LOVES. Make sure she LOVES it. But if she doesn't LOVE IT don't settle on it and keep looking. Don't settle for what you don't LOVE.
Fluorescence is not a bad thing. Some brands, some dealers frown on it, but it's a naturally occurring trait, and can have a pretty awesome effect on the stone in sunlight.
Definite "better color to accept". Whatever color meets your needs. I wear an H. Not warm at all. Warmer than a D side by side, but if you saw my stone in person you'd probably never know it's an H without me telling you.
I see.
Tiffany has yet to get back to me.
#5 falls within those ideal numbers for AGS, right? I think we may just go with that if Tiffany is getting nowhere.
Do you think there's a noticeable difference between a 2.07 and a 2.16? Dimensions are 8.18 - 8.24 x 5.04mm vs. 8.38 - 8.42 x 5.09mm
So right now #4 is really nice, but the lack of fire is bothering us a little. Ideally #5 does seem to be better. The diamond isn't as clean, and it's smaller, but the specs fall in nicely.
I meant fluorescence comes in blue, yellow and sometimes green? Is there one color that is "better" than the other? Or is it better to not have any? Fluorescence basically gives the diamond a hue of that color, right? So in some cases, say a lower color grade diamond may actually do better with blue fluorescence?
Thanks!
Fluorescence does come in many colors. But blue is the one you "want." And it doesn't really give the diamond a "color" in any other lighting than UV/Black lighting or major sunlight. But blue fluorescence may help cut some of the inherent warmth in a "lower" color diamond. Not a given but in some circumstances it helps offset it. A G or H is not a bad color. It's not yellow.
Tiffany might need some time, as I mentioned before, they tend to carry stones that fall in to larger table / deeper stone territory.