Help needed from Experts

[diamondseeker2006]

I wouldn't consider an HCA score above 2.5 or so. I would really advise you to look in the 1.4 ct. range and get a well cut stone just below 1.5 because there is a price jump at 1.5.

And IGI is unreliable. You'd have no idea what you'd be getting. You really need to stick with GIA Excellent and just buy the largest diamond within your budget.

The thing is, if given the choice between a piece of crap 1.5 ct. diamond and a very fine 1.4 ct. diamond that appears more beautiful, who would choose the bad 1.5? Everyone has to make this choice unless they happen to have unlimited money. You just happen to be on a diamond forum where good quality diamonds are appreciated and we are not going to encourage you to buy a badly cut diamond!

shld my emphasis be on the cut or on the HCA score? cos i found a few "very good"cuts that have a HCA score of 2.1 to 2.5.. are they recommended in that sense?

Ken, I am skipping a few posts and this may have been answered. A "very good" cut diamond is usually going to have a problem of some kind. The HCA score may be one indicator, but we use it mostly here to weed out the poorer stones from the wide GIA Excellent category. If you go with very good, just be sure the diameter is at least 7.35mm or else the stone is going to look smaller than 1.5 cts.

You also do not want to venture into I1 clarity. By definition those are going to have eye visible inclusions almost all the time. Even SI2 will be challenging, but that is more possible to find.

I really think you need to communicate with her that your budget and her size desires do not match. If you are planning to spend your life with this person, she is either going to need to understand a budget or you are going to have serious problems. Or if you want to give her everything she wants, then you are going to have to postpone the engagement and save more money or else get a loan to buy this ring. It isn't easy today to do a nice quality one carat to 1.2 ct. ring at $7000.

 

[KeN3]

I wouldn't consider an HCA score above 2.5 or so. I would really advise you to look in the 1.4 ct. range and get a well cut stone just below 1.5 because there is a price jump at 1.5.

And IGI is unreliable. You'd have no idea what you'd be getting. You really need to stick with GIA Excellent and just buy the largest diamond within your budget.

The thing is, if given the choice between a piece of crap 1.5 ct. diamond and a very fine 1.4 ct. diamond that appears more beautiful, who would choose the bad 1.5? Everyone has to make this choice unless they happen to have unlimited money. You just happen to be on a diamond forum where good quality diamonds are appreciated and we are not going to encourage you to buy a badly cut diamond!

shld my emphasis be on the cut or on the HCA score? cos i found a few "very good"cuts that have a HCA score of 2.1 to 2.5.. are they recommended in that sense?

Ken, I am skipping a few posts and this may have been answered. A "very good" cut diamond is usually going to have a problem of some kind. The HCA score may be one indicator, but we use it mostly here to weed out the poorer stones from the wide GIA Excellent category. If you go with very good, just be sure the diameter is at least 7.35mm or else the stone is going to look smaller than 1.5 cts.

You also do not want to venture into I1 clarity. By definition those are going to have eye visible inclusions almost all the time. Even SI2 will be challenging, but that is more possible to find.

I really think you need to communicate with her that your budget and her size desires do not match. If you are planning to spend your life with this person, she is either going to need to understand a budget or you are going to have serious problems. Or if you want to give her everything she wants, then you are going to have to postpone the engagement and save more money or else get a loan to buy this ring. It isn't easy today to do a nice quality one carat to 1.2 ct. ring at $7000.

already tried telling her about the size & the budget don't match, but she's insistent on it...

anyway, i will look out for stones with diameter of at least 7.35mm...

my budget's tight up esp since i just gotten her a watch jus 6 mths back... the watch was supposed to be an extension of time for the ring, but it has now been conveniently forgotten.. otherwise, my budget shld have been just nice... a whole different story..

will focus in getting the best within my budget & size...

 

[KeN3]

Experts pls advise on this piece...

https://myapps.gia.edu/ReportCheckPortal/getReportData.do?&reportno=2136141898&weight=1.5

it's a little out of my budget, but looks gd... HCA score of 1.9..

 

[TitanCi]

Live pics and IS image are next steps.

 

[waterlilly]

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Maybe have her get involved in this discussion so she can see exactly why the budget and her expectations don't match?? Its like asking for a $500 Mercedes, you get what you pay for, you know? It'll have the Mercedes emblem for sure, but certainly nothing to look at or be proud to drive around

 

[Lula]

Experts pls advise on this piece...

https://myapps.gia.edu/ReportCheckPortal/getReportData.do?&reportno=2136141898&weight=1.5

it's a little out of my budget, but looks gd... HCA score of 1.9..

This one looks good, from the numbers anyway. No red flags. Is your vendor able to supply you with Idealscope images and photos of the diamond? Does your vendor have this in-house or can your vendor call it in for you to see? Or are you doing everything long-distance and are unable to see the diamond before you buy it? Can your vendor put a hold on this one for you and examine it in person for eye-cleanliness? Sorry for all the questions; I'm not quite sure of your situation, and how easy it is for you to see the stone before you buy it. Also, if you are going to buy this stone sight unseen (and many of us have done that), make sure your vendor has a good return policy in case for some reason this stone is not what you expect when you see it. Just for peace of mind.

 

[orbaya]

already tried telling her about the size & the budget don't match, but she's insistent on it...

anyway, i will look out for stones with diameter of at least 7.35mm...

my budget's tight up esp since i just gotten her a watch jus 6 mths back... the watch was supposed to be an extension of time for the ring, but it has now been conveniently forgotten.. otherwise, my budget shld have been just nice... a whole different story..

will focus in getting the best within my budget & size...

Wow, okay. What brand watch did you buy her? Is is a luxury watch that can be resold? Since she has conveniently "forgotten" that the watch was supposed to hold her over until the ring, then IMO, she should look into the selling the watch in order to get what she wants for a ring, if she's not willing to wait for the ering as originally agreed upon. If she doesn't want to sell it, then you need to firmly tell her that you cannot do what she insists and get a top quality stone. And don't eat into the wedding budget, she probably wouldn't like that, unless you run it by her first. You told her your budget, you bought her a watch to tide her over, and now she's insisting on something without seeming to care about what you can and cannot afford.

I'm sorry if this is harsh, but this type of issue is a HUGE pet peeve of mine.

Anyway, I hope that you can find something to satisfy her requirements and that you also feel good about. Also, I'm wondering where the 1.5ct requirement came from? Is it your social circle? Something she heard or read somewhere, etc?

 

[KeN3]

Live pics and IS image are next steps.

This one looks good, from the numbers anyway. No red flags. Is your vendor able to supply you with Idealscope images and photos of the diamond? Does your vendor have this in-house or can your vendor call it in for you to see? Or are you doing everything long-distance and are unable to see the diamond before you buy it? Can your vendor put a hold on this one for you and examine it in person for eye-cleanliness? Sorry for all the questions; I'm not quite sure of your situation, and how easy it is for you to see the stone before you buy it. Also, if you are going to buy this stone sight unseen (and many of us have done that), make sure your vendor has a good return policy in case for some reason this stone is not what you expect when you see it. Just for peace of mind.

not sure if the vendor provides "live"pics or IS images... & definately wouldn't be able to see it personally since i'm on the other side of Earth... will really need to depend on vendor to give me details, which they have been providing to me so far..

most online vendors, esp on PS have good return policies, but still with me overseas, the return shipment will be a potential headache... trying to get it right the first time..

 

[KeN3]

already tried telling her about the size & the budget don't match, but she's insistent on it...

anyway, i will look out for stones with diameter of at least 7.35mm...

my budget's tight up esp since i just gotten her a watch jus 6 mths back... the watch was supposed to be an extension of time for the ring, but it has now been conveniently forgotten.. otherwise, my budget shld have been just nice... a whole different story..

will focus in getting the best within my budget & size...

Wow, okay. What brand watch did you buy her? Is is a luxury watch that can be resold? Since she has conveniently "forgotten" that the watch was supposed to hold her over until the ring, then IMO, she should look into the selling the watch in order to get what she wants for a ring, if she's not willing to wait for the ering as originally agreed upon. If she doesn't want to sell it, then you need to firmly tell her that you cannot do what she insists and get a top quality stone. And don't eat into the wedding budget, she probably wouldn't like that, unless you run it by her first. You told her your budget, you bought her a watch to tide her over, and now she's insisting on something without seeming to care about what you can and cannot afford.

I'm sorry if this is harsh, but this type of issue is a HUGE pet peeve of mine.

Anyway, I hope that you can find something to satisfy her requirements and that you also feel good about. Also, I'm wondering where the 1.5ct requirement came from? Is it your social circle? Something she heard or read somewhere, etc?

thanks for the concern... it's nice to know there are people out there know what i'm going through, that's enough..

Anyway, it was a rolex... with diamonds too... diamonds & gals... it's never enough..

the thought of selling the watch did cross my mind, but i really don't want to resort it that to buy the ring.. if there's anything to sacrifice, i'll do it on my end...

also not sure where the 1.5ct came wrong... my guess it's from her circle of frens comparing etc...

now just trying to strike a balance between budget & quality..

 

[orbaya]

already tried telling her about the size & the budget don't match, but she's insistent on it...

anyway, i will look out for stones with diameter of at least 7.35mm...

my budget's tight up esp since i just gotten her a watch jus 6 mths back... the watch was supposed to be an extension of time for the ring, but it has now been conveniently forgotten.. otherwise, my budget shld have been just nice... a whole different story..

will focus in getting the best within my budget & size...

Wow, okay. What brand watch did you buy her? Is is a luxury watch that can be resold? Since she has conveniently "forgotten" that the watch was supposed to hold her over until the ring, then IMO, she should look into the selling the watch in order to get what she wants for a ring, if she's not willing to wait for the ering as originally agreed upon. If she doesn't want to sell it, then you need to firmly tell her that you cannot do what she insists and get a top quality stone. And don't eat into the wedding budget, she probably wouldn't like that, unless you run it by her first. You told her your budget, you bought her a watch to tide her over, and now she's insisting on something without seeming to care about what you can and cannot afford.

I'm sorry if this is harsh, but this type of issue is a HUGE pet peeve of mine.

Anyway, I hope that you can find something to satisfy her requirements and that you also feel good about. Also, I'm wondering where the 1.5ct requirement came from? Is it your social circle? Something she heard or read somewhere, etc?

thanks for the concern... it's nice to know there are people out there know what i'm going through, that's enough..

Anyway, it was a rolex... with diamonds too... diamonds & gals... it's never enough..

the thought of selling the watch did cross my mind, but i really don't want to resort it that to buy the ring.. if there's anything to sacrifice, i'll do it on my end...

also not sure where the 1.5ct came wrong... my guess it's from her circle of frens comparing etc...

now just trying to strike a balance between budget & quality..

Wow, a Rolex! She is certainly one lucky lady! But one that needs to return to Earth! As for "diamonds & gals" in regards to diamonds, I find that statement untrue from those of us that don't have requirements and aren't willing to be flexible on. IMO, you gave her a very generous gift, and clearly that is not enough for your girlfriend, which makes me sad for you. Also, I think the "sacrifice" should come from HER end since she's placed these requirements on you and is unwilling to budge after talking with her. I completely understand where you are coming from in regards to her not having to be affected financially by this purchase, but IMO she unfairly placed this on you and won't work with you on the ering purchase (budget) and the timeframe extension due to the watch. So there really should be something on her end that needs to give as well if she is adamant on what she wants. I hope this makes sense. I wish you the best of luck.

 

[Enerchi]

oh Ken! you sound so sweet and you are trying so hard to put something perfect together for her, from the other side of the world, as you say! And it is very unfair of me/us to judge your future fiance without knowing her or the circumstances... but it really comes across that she is not being very considerate of you, your budget or your financial plans for the future, if she's not satisfied with a Rolex as a delay to engagement and now insisting on a certain size to "keep up with the Jones's". (My apologies to the Jones's of the world... )

I am overstepping and sticking my nose into something that is none of my business --- but --- I just feel sorry for you! You are trying so hard to please her but it doesn't seem that she is 'listening' to you 'tell her' you have a budget. Will this be a pattern in your partnership?

Orbaya, Diamondseeker, waterlilly and I have been gently trying protect you from over spending... what if you did show her this thread? or send her prices of what it is she is wanting, along with what you can comfortably spend. Suggest selling the Rolex (those are NOT CHEAP!) and if she wants more than you can offered... I'd say, the Rolex hits the auction block...

You just seem to be trying so hard to satisfy a requirement that may be unrealistic. I hope you find what works... and that she can appreciate that it took all you had to give it to her. I wish you all the best!! You're a good guy, Ken - I just want good things to happen for you!

 

[Christina...]

I 100% agree with Enerchi. It's not easy to hear people be critical of a loved one and it's really not our intention, but in this case it seems that your gf is ill informed by what a $7k budget can buy and she hasn't appeared willing to compromise. It's difficult to understand what it is that she wants or expects you to do under the circumstances. She wants a 1.5 colorless eyeclean stone and it's just not possible, or at least it's extremely difficult to find and you said that she isn't willing to wait. I'd suggest telling her that you have $7000 to contribute and that you are having a difficult time finding what she wants within that budget and suggest that she find it. Maybe this will help her understand that her wants don't fit the budget. Otherwise I would suggest that she make a sacrifice to get what she wants, either sell the watch or pitch into the budget.

There are many many things that I would like to have as well, however I can't afford them, and simply insisting that someone obtain them for me isn't going to work either. I really think that your gf needs to put her big girl pants on and join the rest of the adult world where wants are not always immediately obtainable. That sounds harsh and it is, but you sound like a very nice man and I'm afraid that without a frank discussion with her then this could be a cycle that will be often repeated in your marriage.

I would really encourage her to read this thread and become involved in the process of locating the diamond she demands, it may be the only way that she realizes that she will need to make compromises. I also think that it may help her realize that there are other aspects to a diamond other than ct weight and that a smaller ideal cut diamond will always look bigger brighter and more beautiful than a poorly cut larger one. I really wish you luck Ken, you sound like a wonderful person with the best of intentions. I hope that this all works out for you.

 

[KeN3]

thanks all for the encouragement & concern! really appreciate it...

all i can say is she has led a pretty gd life since young, so that somehow she got her minimum standards.. i don't blame her for that.. esp with her relatives & friends.. i don't want her to look bad in front of them...

anyway, long story about it... haaha...

Now concentrating to get the best quality 1.5ct within my budget...

 

[Christina...]

would she consider a shape other than round? You can often find fancy shaped stones for less and they often face up larger than a round, specifically cuts like oval, pear or marquis...

 

[webdiva]

I agree with everything said, and think it's time to bring your gf into this. If she insists on a 1.5 for $7k - then either have her contribute money to the budget or look into alternatives in that mm range such as a pre-owned stone, stepping down to an eye clean I1 or going down quite a bit in color. Another option is get her a smaller stone with a halo - but that's HER decision to make. This your budget, honey - do whatever you want with it.

This is one of the first big purchases in your lifetime (aside from a DIAMOND rolex - phew!) and you should be making the budget and compromises together as a family. After that, you still have the wedding, honeymoon, house and baby to afford - it's the first of many, many expenses.

 

[webdiva]

Here's a 1.52 K SI1 at JA - with 1.0 HCA - with medium blue fluor:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/K-SI1-Very-Good-Cut-Round-Diamond-1483703.asp

$7400 with PS discount

So it's possible, but you won't get the brightest, whitest 1.5 out there.

 

[KeN3]

would she consider a shape other than round? You can often find fancy shaped stones for less and they often face up larger than a round, specifically cuts like oval, pear or marquis...

the shape is confirmed round...

I agree with everything said, and think it's time to bring your gf into this. If she insists on a 1.5 for $7k - then either have her contribute money to the budget or look into alternatives in that mm range such as a pre-owned stone, stepping down to an eye clean I1 or going down quite a bit in color. Another option is get her a smaller stone with a halo - but that's HER decision to make. This your budget, honey - do whatever you want with it.

This is one of the first big purchases in your lifetime (aside from a DIAMOND rolex - phew!) and you should be making the budget and compromises together as a family. After that, you still have the wedding, honeymoon, house and baby to afford - it's the first of many, many expenses.

the last time i brought her to see, she picked a IGI "I" SI2 ExExEx H&A cut which was retailing at $12k. I totally said no on that cos not only it's out of my budget, but also cos i don't think it's worth that price...

so based, on her requirements, i'm working with a GIA J color SI2 ExExEx or VGExEx... stretching my dollar will be $8k, which I don't wanna touch as I will got to account for the tax when I receive it in my country...

anyway. i'm ok with I1s, as long as eye-clean... but so far i haven't found any yet.... think they are far & few between... esp since i can't view the diamonds myself..

Here's a 1.52 K SI1 at JA - with 1.0 HCA - with medium blue fluor:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/K-SI1-Very-Good-Cut-Round-Diamond-1483703.asp

$7400 with PS discount

So it's possible, but you won't get the brightest, whitest 1.5 out there.

the piece looks good... but i'm little afraid the tinge of yellow will be too obvious.. she doesn't need a very white piece, but it has to look colourless in the eye..

 

[mandasand]

You guys, he knows the issues with size, budget and what his GF wants. I'm not going to say what she sounds like, but it is a 4 letter word starting with a "b" and ending in a "t." Hey, I can say it because I am one too! Anyway, Ken, you should put the James Allen SI1 K ON HOLD RIGHT NOW. Ask the gemologist to evaluate. And then buy it. Also, make sure that you can negotiate the most optimal return agreement with JA since you are overseas.

 

[KeN3]

You guys, he knows the issues with size, budget and what his GF wants. I'm not going to say what she sounds like, but it is a 4 letter word starting with a "b" and ending in a "t." Hey, I can say it because I am one too! Anyway, Ken, you should put the James Allen SI1 K ON HOLD RIGHT NOW. Ask the gemologist to evaluate. And then buy it. Also, make sure that you can negotiate the most optimal return agreement with JA since you are overseas.

u mean i can negotiate on the return agreement?? mayb u can share abit? thanks!

ps: i'm lost about the b**t... lol...

 

[ooo~Shiney!]

Ken, I'm am sorry, but right now my heart is crying for you.....

Anyway.

How about letting me be the voice of craziness here and try something else...

Do you know what your budget could get you if you look for a
gorgeous VERY BIG beautiful blue Sapphire ????

for example: http://www.gemfix.com/sapphire_blue.html

( I am specifically thinking about the 5th row, but anyone can
correct me here if I am wrong...)

and you would have enough left over to get a stunning setting, too....
(that oughtta shut her up (forgive my obvious rudeness)_)

It would be enormous, stunning, and different from what all her friends / family have.....

Just a little idea from "I-Love-Just-About-Everything Me"

 

[ooo~Shiney!]

Here is a GORGEOUS ENGAGEMENT RING from a new favorite poster of mine,
and this is one of my favorite posts of his...

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/5-58-ct-blue-sapphire-gemsthailand.163440/page-7']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/5-58-ct-blue-sapphire-gemsthailand.163440/page-7[/URL]

 

[KeN3]

here's the feedback I got for this:

https://myapps.gia.edu/ReportCheckPortal/getReportData.do?&reportno=6147712401&weight=1.5 HCA score of 2.4

Upon looking at the diamond, I do see that this diamond would maximize the light performance as it is an ideal cut diamond. In regards to the color, it is an I colored diamond, so we should not see any hints of warmth in the diamond. The clarity grade is SI2, which has the possibility of the inclusions being visible with the unaided eye. Lastly, the carat is a great weight!

That being said, my vault manager has pulled the diamond out of the vault and has conducted a visual inspection on the diamond. The vault manager states that the diamond has a milky look to it. I would not recommend this diamond based on the visual inspection.

guess i gotta strike this piece out...

 

[KeN3]

Ken, I'm am sorry, but right now my heart is crying for you.....

Anyway.

How about letting me be the voice of craziness here and try something else...

Do you know what your budget could get you if you look for a
gorgeous VERY BIG beautiful blue Sapphire ????

for example: http://www.gemfix.com/sapphire_blue.html

( I am specifically thinking about the 5th row, but anyone can
correct me here if I am wrong...)

and you would have enough left over to get a stunning setting, too....
(that oughtta shut her up (forgive my obvious rudeness)_)

It would be enormous, stunning, and different from what all her friends / family have.....

Just a little idea from "I-Love-Just-About-Everything Me"

thanks for the suggestion...

however, i've tried to let her know of the other shapes & colors, but her preference is still the traditional round shape...

but the blue sapphire is gorgous...

 

[tyty333]

Here's a 1.52 K SI1 at JA - with 1.0 HCA - with medium blue fluor:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/K-SI1-Very-Good-Cut-Round-Diamond-1483703.asp

$7400 with PS discount

So it's possible, but you won't get the brightest, whitest 1.5 out there.

This K looks really nice...I'd snatch that one up in a heartbeat! You do know that a well cut stone with
good light return will look whiter/brighter than a highter color (say an H) that is not well cut.

 

[KeN3]

Here's a 1.52 K SI1 at JA - with 1.0 HCA - with medium blue fluor:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/K-SI1-Very-Good-Cut-Round-Diamond-1483703.asp

$7400 with PS discount

So it's possible, but you won't get the brightest, whitest 1.5 out there.

This K looks really nice...I'd snatch that one up in a heartbeat! You do know that a well cut stone with
good light return will look whiter/brighter than a highter color (say an H) that is not well cut.

how about comparing to a H I1?

 

[KeN3]

Here's a 1.52 K SI1 at JA - with 1.0 HCA - with medium blue fluor:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/K-SI1-Very-Good-Cut-Round-Diamond-1483703.asp

$7400 with PS discount

So it's possible, but you won't get the brightest, whitest 1.5 out there.

This K looks really nice...I'd snatch that one up in a heartbeat! You do know that a well cut stone with
good light return will look whiter/brighter than a highter color (say an H) that is not well cut.

how about comparing to a H I1?

 

[Enerchi]

Ken, Ken, Ken.... Even my DH thinks you need to have a talk with your girl ...

Ken!! This is YOUR money!! Your hard earned/saved for money---at some point, there need to be limits set for your g/f to realize that what she wants and what you can comfortably afford - are 2 different things! She can upgrade later, for heaven's sake!!! Many MANY on PS do that. Engagement rings are not always 10 cts to start with! Ok, I know that's not what you are looking for, but my point is, reality vs dreams are not always the same.

Just going to throw this thought out there - because this is really gnawing at me (and a lot of other PS'ers too....) - this is about to be a shared life between the two of you. She has come from a pretty catered to/spoiled background (you posted that above) and sometimes those patterns are hard to break... but that was her old life with her parents. This is her new life now with you and its going to be all about compromise, cooperation, communication, empathy and understanding for the other person. You, Ken, are showing it in SPADES!!! You appear to be going out of your way (emotionally and financially) and she is not on the same playing field as you. The Rolling Stones said it in a song..."You can't always get what you want..."

Ken, I/we are on your side, but it is not "all about me" when it comes to starting a marriage - its about "WE".... both people have to bend, not just one.

... and now back to the topic (as opposed to my off topic thoughts above ) ooo~Shiney posted a really cool alternative suggestion! The coloured stone idea would give her a HUGE stone and something totally different from her circle of family and friends. It would give her that element of "WOW" she is seriously craving.

 

[KeN3]

Ken, Ken, Ken.... Even my DH thinks you need to have a talk with your girl ...

Ken!! This is YOUR money!! Your hard earned/saved for money---at some point, there need to be limits set for your g/f to realize that what she wants and what you can comfortably afford - are 2 different things! She can upgrade later, for heaven's sake!!! Many MANY on PS do that. Engagement rings are not always 10 cts to start with! Ok, I know that's not what you are looking for, but my point is, reality vs dreams are not always the same.

Just going to throw this thought out there - because this is really gnawing at me (and a lot of other PS'ers too....) - this is about to be a shared life between the two of you. She has come from a pretty catered to/spoiled background (you posted that above) and sometimes those patterns are hard to break... but that was her old life with her parents. This is her new life now with you and its going to be all about compromise, cooperation, communication, empathy and understanding for the other person. You, Ken, are showing it in SPADES!!! You appear to be going out of your way (emotionally and financially) and she is not on the same playing field as you. The Rolling Stones said it in a song..."You can't always get what you want..."

Ken, I/we are on your side, but it is not "all about me" when it comes to starting a marriage - its about "WE".... both people have to bend, not just one.

... and now back to the topic (as opposed to my off topic thoughts above ) ooo~Shiney posted a really cool alternative suggestion! The coloured stone idea would give her a HUGE stone and something totally different from her circle of family and friends. It would give her that element of "WOW" she is seriously craving.

thanks for the concern!

her attitude is definately better since we 1st started off, but still room for improvement... lol...

 

[Enerchi]

Hey! that's good to know, that you can sense a shift in her!!! I'm hoping there is more to come, but its a great start that she's at least opening up to maaaaayyyybeeeee not getting something that isn't manageable on your budget. Bursting bubbles suck... but its better than starting out in debt with a lifetime of unrealistic expectations ahead.

Keep up the good work - keep talking to her and stick within your budget. There maybe a magical moment where suddenly, she just "GETS IT" and realizes she's been too demanding. I hope so!!

Yay for you!!!

 

[KeN3]

Hey! that's good to know, that you can sense a shift in her!!! I'm hoping there is more to come, but its a great start that she's at least opening up to maaaaayyyybeeeee not getting something that isn't manageable on your budget. Bursting bubbles suck... but its better than starting out in debt with a lifetime of unrealistic expectations ahead.

Keep up the good work - keep talking to her and stick within your budget. There maybe a magical moment where suddenly, she just "GETS IT" and realizes she's been too demanding. I hope so!!

Yay for you!!!

haha... i certainly hope so... but meanwhile, i wanna get the best i can afford for her...