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Help me find my Emerald diamond ~ 2ct / white / eyeclean

Wieke

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Hi everyone,

I am on the search for an Emerald cut diamond, but the more I research, the more confused I am how to proceed. I would like to find an eyeclean, white diamond for a RHR, probably going with the trapezoid sides by LM or VC (not 100% sure about the setting yet).

My budget is around 20.000 USD (+/- 2K if a more expensive stone was really amazing, but will be glad to save more for the setting :) )

Can you recommend tutorials/blogs/information I should read about emeralds?

How should a good ASET of an Emerald look like? Or a great video of a diamond - can you point me towards a good GOG video or a good example of a JA stone (even if not my specs, just to show me a great emerald cut) and similar etc???

What vendors would be best to contact?

How low would you go in a step cut like ER while still wanting a white diamond?

Will (just below) 2ct be already a good size for such a design, or shall I come back later with a bigger budget?

Would you consider vintage diamonds, and/or jewelry auctions? How to evaluate such diamonds - is it really simply "what you see is what you get" and I need to just like the diamond or not. Or is there more that I can hold on to with numbers/proportions?

Any advice is much appreciated!!! Thanks, (soon to be I hope) Emerald Girl
 

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Wieke

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Thank you very much Niel!!!! I DO indeed LIKE the idea of a D at that price and even though at the magnification I can see some of the inclusions, they really are not something that would bother me.

What should I expect from a good ASET image of an emerald cut?

What do other guys think of this diamond?

Any others I should request ASETs from? (As far as I know I can request 3 ASET images from them)
 

Wieke

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Thank you RetroTreeGirl - yes, I know that one... plus it also makes me think maybe I can go even down to an I in an emerald ;-) it would just depend on the stone... I was wondering whether not just contact GOG and let them search for me. I want to see what the others say.
 

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Honestly I would let GOG look if it were me. I'm not saying you couldn't find one with the help of other PSers but it just seems like the easiest way to get one that you know will be a rockin stone. ECs are tough.
 

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No time right now to link specific stones, but GOG had 2-3 on their site that I was looking at last night that are very promising. 2ct ish G-H in color, smaller tables (my preference after viewing lots of large ct emerald cuts) and around $15k. Off to get the kids to school.
 

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Wieke|1442492186|3928766 said:
Thank you very much Niel!!!! I DO indeed LIKE the idea of a D at that price and even though at the magnification I can see some of the inclusions, they really are not something that would bother me.

What should I expect from a good ASET image of an emerald cut?

What do other guys think of this diamond?

Any others I should request ASETs from? (As far as I know I can request 3 ASET images from them)


Yeah, I can see it too, but considering the magnification, I feel like it could be fine on the hand. Plus, I'm one to forgive a beauty mark if everything else matches up

From a good aset I think you want to see bot a lot of black bars, and in my opinion you don't just want all green or all red, you want it to look bright and well balanced.
 

Wieke

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Thank you ponder - yes, I was thinking the same. I will try to find out a bit more my preferences (still struggling with the ratios, each ring has a different flavor to it, so does each emerald... although I prefer them a bit more square, which is NOT the case for the stone I am just about to mention... oh well, still a long road ahead :)). I really like this one:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/ecommerce/1-9ct-g-vs2-emerald-cut-diamond.html

What do you guys think about it?

Or any other you would recommend from current GOG inventory and WHY?
 

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Niel|1442495187|3928784 said:
From a good aset I think you want to see bot a lot of black bars, and in my opinion you don't just want all green or all red, you want it to look bright and well balanced.

you want a lot of black bars in an aset??? I thought that was leakage.
 

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Or any other you would recommend from current GOG inventory and WHY?

Wieke, keep in mind that the 4 ECs in your size range that GOG has in stock is not all there is for you to choose from. If you give them your parameters, they'll look for a couple stones that fit the bill, and then send you a video link of them showing their performance in various lights.
 

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RetroTreeGal|1442528407|3928997 said:
Niel|1442495187|3928784 said:
From a good aset I think you want to see bot a lot of black bars, and in my opinion you don't just want all green or all red, you want it to look bright and well balanced.

you want a lot of black bars in an aset??? I thought that was leakage.
A mistype.

And no its usually obstruction rather than leakage.
 

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Niel|1442532094|3929023 said:
A mistype.

My apologies Niel. I read it too quickly. Even with your typo your point was clear. :oops:
 

Wieke

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Thanks for the clarification. I would like to ask for ASETs from JA - any recommendations for three stones I should request?

1.9 - 2.5 ct, budget 20K, color D-I (?), clarity eyeclean...

I for example like the video of this one: http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/2.50-carat-i-color-vs1-clarity-sku-348077

but looking at the numbers, the table is too big and it is cut quite deep - this is exactly the part where I have no clue :(... can anyone help out? Or send me a link to a good tutorial/discussion where I can look for advice what numbers/ranges to consider?

Also, how to interprete the JA videos of the diamonds - many seem to be dark in the face up view. Is this bad or is it simply the (black?) camera reflecting and therefore means nothing negative?
 

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I would go to goodoldgold.com and watch al of their EC tutorials! I had them pick my EC and It was a great experience!
 

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Definitely, I would only consider Good old Gold for an emerald cut as most are cut too deep and they have all the performance tests to put it through, plus have been on the internet for years. I also bought and returned a round diamond from the UK with them back in 2007 and everything went smoothly including the customs and my refund. Highly recommend.
 

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You can deal just through email with Good old Gold if you want.
 

Niel

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Wieke|1442655535|3929438 said:
Thanks for the clarification. I would like to ask for ASETs from JA - any recommendations for three stones I should request?

1.9 - 2.5 ct, budget 20K, color D-I (?), clarity eyeclean...

I for example like the video of this one: http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/2.50-carat-i-color-vs1-clarity-sku-348077

but looking at the numbers, the table is too big and it is cut quite deep - this is exactly the part where I have no clue :(... can anyone help out? Or send me a link to a good tutorial/discussion where I can look for advice what numbers/ranges to consider?

Also, how to interprete the JA videos of the diamonds - many seem to be dark in the face up view. Is this bad or is it simply the (black?) camera reflecting and therefore means nothing negative?

I'll look to see if there are any other James Allen ones.

I get everyone loves good old gold. But James Allen will let you get ASETS for free, and nothing from with trying before you pay gog to find you some stones.

Maybe

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/2.02-carat-h-color-vs1-clarity-sku-468320

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/2.12-carat-i-color-vs2-clarity-sku-563028
 

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^ I do like the #468320, but the other one for me has too large a table.

I took a quick look at JA and found a couple which may/may not please your eyes and/or be worthy of checking into further:

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/2.02-carat-h-color-vs1-clarity-sku-384526 - I think this is similar to the #468320 you linked to, but this has a smaller table, and (maybe) seems brighter to me?

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/2.04-carat-g-color-si1-clarity-sku-635702 - I love the octagonal shape of this EC, and the patterning seems crisp and bright - but perhaps not eyeclean due to the crystal? If you like the shape/look, maybe worth checking with JA to see if it is eyeclean to your preference?

This is slightly over your budget at $21,480 but if the JA preferred discount (1-3% off most loose diamonds) applies to this diamond, that should get the cost closer to your $20K cap... a 2.01ct E-SI1 with strong blue fluorescence and based on the video seems eyeclean: http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/2.03-carat-e-color-si1-clarity-sku-22297

Okay, well outside your color range, a 2.51ct K-VS1, but priced under $13.5K and really looks amazing from the video, with a sweet 54% table... http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/2.51-carat-k-color-vs1-clarity-sku-323775
 

DiamondXXX

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I would like to ask those who took this road - How far would an EC sourced from GOG be more expensive compared to JA or similar site? I mean I get the benefits of all information and videos they provide, but is it also for a certain addditional premium cost (I get it that AVC is their branded cut and cut to AGS000 and therefore more expensive than generic, but will they charge a certain premium also for such EC selection service?)?
 

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DiamondXXX|1442681758|3929537 said:
I would like to ask those who took this road - How far would an EC sourced from GOG be more expensive compared to JA or similar site? I mean I get the benefits of all information and videos they provide, but is it also for a certain addditional premium cost (I get it that AVC is their branded cut and cut to AGS000 and therefore more expensive than generic, but will they charge a certain premium also for such EC selection service?)?

From my experience they do charge to find the stones, because they are providing you more info they are on average a little more expensive, won't pay to ship the stone back to them like JA will and charge a "restocking fee" (the last two were just how it was the last I worked with them).


Not that they aren't helpful, but I'd rather try JA first, and if nothing pans out go to gog
 

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marymm|1442675024|3929489 said:
^ I do like the #468320, but the other one for me has too large a table.

I took a quick look at JA and found a couple which may/may not please your eyes and/or be worthy of checking into further:

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/2.02-carat-h-color-vs1-clarity-sku-384526 - I think this is similar to the #468320 you linked to, but this has a smaller table, and (maybe) seems brighter to me?

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/2.04-carat-g-color-si1-clarity-sku-635702 - I love the octagonal shape of this EC, and the patterning seems crisp and bright - but perhaps not eyeclean due to the crystal? If you like the shape/look, maybe worth checking with JA to see if it is eyeclean to your preference?

This is slightly over your budget at $21,480 but if the JA preferred discount (1-3% off most loose diamonds) applies to this diamond, that should get the cost closer to your $20K cap... a 2.01ct E-SI1 with strong blue fluorescence and based on the video seems eyeclean: http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/2.03-carat-e-color-si1-clarity-sku-22297

Okay, well outside your color range, a 2.51ct K-VS1, but priced under $13.5K and really looks amazing from the video, with a sweet 54% table... http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/2.51-carat-k-color-vs1-clarity-sku-323775


I agree, the original d and the h were the two I liked best.

The g you posted won't be able to get ASETS, based on my understanding that if it doesn't have a butterfly in the corner they can't do it.

I like the k and that h you posted.
 

Wieke

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Wow, there are several which I like just by looking at them :)... will have to make a selection tonight.

How shall I interpret the darkness when in face-up position - is it something negative, or is it just the camera reflecting (and therefore good since it means "reflecting" and not "leaking"?)?

I have to say I really like the K - http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/2.51-carat-k-color-vs1-clarity-sku-323775 I am worried about the color, but the stone looks crisp and I like the way the facets light up. I know Mayk's EC is a K and I love it (especially now, after the reset, but not sure whether I would dare to try the K... oh my!)

Then the http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/2.12-carat-i-color-vs2-clarity-sku-563028

and the http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/2.04-carat-g-color-si1-clarity-sku-635702 even though the shape is a bit unusual.

BTW in this video http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/emerald-cut/2.03-carat-e-color-si1-clarity-sku-22297 I see the number inscribed on the girdle (in black) reflected in the diamond and it looks like an man-made inclusion... is this normal????
 

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JA has a killer return policy. Get the stone you like the best. Live with it for 7-10 days. Then see how you feel about it.

Emeralds have personalities. Either the one your stone has works for you, or it doesn't. They are individuals and not interchangeable.
 
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