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Hello, first post here after quite a bit of reading.

Trying to decide on a new diamond for my wife after all her jewelry was stolen.

Ive looked a LOT of place in person and online and keep coming back to BN. I consider myself fairly educated on diamonds but certainly you all here are much more so.

So, I have been looking for something that is around 2 carat. The latest one I like on BN is GIA 1116321577.

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-h-color-si1-clarity_LD01594040

Diamond Details
Stock number: LD01594040
Price: $15,162
Bank wire price: $14,935
Price per carat: $7,581
Carat weight: 2.00
Cut: Ideal
Color: H
Clarity: SI1
Depth %: 59.6%
Table %: 60%
Symmetry: Excellent
Polish: Excellent
Girdle: Medium
Culet: None
Fluorescence: None
Measurements: 8.21 x 8.19 x 4.89 mm
Crown Angle: 33%
Pavilion Angle: 41%

My ONLY concern (unless you guys tell me otherwise) is the feather on the face. Is this something I could even see with the naked eye? How concerned should I be?

What do you think overall??

Thanks for the help!!!!

Factor Grade
Light Return Excellent
Fire Excellent
Scintillation Very Good
Spread
or diameter for weight Excellent
Total Visual Performance 1.3 - Excellent
within TIC range
 
Date: 11/25/2009 4:33:29 PM
Author:jasonvw
Hello, first post here after quite a bit of reading.

Trying to decide on a new diamond for my wife after all her jewelry was stolen.

Ive looked a LOT of place in person and online and keep coming back to BN. I consider myself fairly educated on diamonds but certainly you all here are much more so.

So, I have been looking for something that is around 2 carat. The latest one I like on BN is GIA 1116321577.

Diamond Details
Stock number: LD01594040
Price: $15,162
Bank wire price: $14,935
Price per carat: $7,581
Carat weight: 2.00
Cut: Ideal
Color: H
Clarity: SI1
Depth %: 59.6%
Table %: 60%
Symmetry: Excellent
Polish: Excellent
Girdle: Medium
Culet: None
Fluorescence: None
Measurements: 8.21 x 8.19 x 4.89 mm

My ONLY concern (unless you guys tell me otherwise) is the feather on the face. Is this something I could even see with the naked eye? How concerned should I be?

What do you think overall??

Thanks for the help!!!!
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Hi Jason

So sorry to hear about your wife's jewellery.....Can you post the link to this diamond please? I tried the report check but was unsuccessful so if you could fill in the details such as the crown and pavilion angles, star and lower girdle facets please, that would be very helpful.

Also you would need to ask your rep at BN to find out for you whether the diamond is eyeclean to your standards or not and if the feather can be seen with the naked eye. Otherwise it is guessing, it is possible it could be visible but much depends on the location and size, individual eyesight etc.
 
Ive updated the original post with a link to the diamond. Thanks!
 
It has potential... too bad they dont give IS but i hear the return policy is good. I would be concerned about the feather, you should ask them if its eye clean. Have you looked at Jamesallen, they usually have comparable prices with BN and they offer IS and actually pictures of the stones?
 
I'll check out JamesAllen, thanks! Forgive me but whats "IS".

Maybe Im better of with a VS diamond and a bit smaller.
 
BN doesn''t stock anything but their signature line in-store, so they won''t be able to confirm eyeclean. They do, however, have a very generous return policy.

If a 60/60 is to your taste, it certainly has potential... you''ll have time to look at it and take it to an appraiser.
 
Is 60/60 not a desirable combo? What would be better? I just did some reading and it seems an "Ideal" cut is only 53-57 for table yet this 60 is an "Ideal" cut? I assume these are fluid numbers...

BN confirms "The diamond that you are interested in has been confirmed as eye clean from face up."
 
The diamond could be a nice example of a 60 60 make, some love these types of diamonds so it is a matter of taste whether you like these best or diamonds with a smaller table as above. Without an Idealscope image we can't tell much about this diamond apart from seeing that it has potential. It also has a grade setting cloud so ask BN to check that this cloud isn't negatively affecting brilliance.

Read more here concerning 60 60.
 
Thanks for all the replies. I did read the 60/60 info but it looks like my pavilion angle is within the range that a 60/60 is ok.

I didn''t pick this one for its 60/60, I just liked it for its overall qualities and reasonable price.

I will ask BN about the cloud.
 
Date: 11/26/2009 10:32:15 AM
Author: jasonvw
Thanks for all the replies. I did read the 60/60 info but it looks like my pavilion angle is within the range that a 60/60 is ok.

I didn't pick this one for its 60/60, I just liked it for its overall qualities and reasonable price.

I will ask BN about the cloud.
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Let us know what happens. Yes it could be a nice example of a 60 60 diamond as far as can be told without an image. The crown angle is slightly shallow which is not a problem, just that the diamond along with its larger table will probably show more brilliance than fire or coloured light.
 
Here is my second favorite. Thoughts?

www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1266206.asp
 
The original diamond is no longer available.

The search continues!!
 
Date: 11/25/2009 5:15:00 PM
Author: jasonvw
I''ll check out JamesAllen, thanks! Forgive me but whats ''IS''.

Maybe Im better of with a VS diamond and a bit smaller.
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Don''t get discouraged by the clarity THANG, Jason! VS clarity is a wonderful (and usually very *safe* choice), of course, but you can find killer EYECLEAN stones in SI, too. Trust me! My diamond is an AGS-0 2.36 J/SI2 that is totally eyeclean from all angles and at close scrutiny.

Eyeclean SI stones ARE out there... they may take a little lookin'', but IMHO that''s time well spent. If you don''t have "mind clean" issues with clarity (and I don''t... if it can''t be seen with the naked eye, and it doesn''t affect performance, I am fine with it!) then choosing an SI stone lets you put more money to... SIZE, babeeeee, SIZE!
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Here''s a link to my stone: https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/finally-gorgeous-new-fishtail-pave-set-from-wf.46129/ You see for yourself what you think!
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Lynn,

That is a gorgeous stone!!

I''m really not too held back on SI1 stones as my wife''s was an SI1 and she loved it. You are so right on price. When I move the scale from VS2 to SI1 I get about 3-4 times more choice.

Ive found another nice one and will let you guys know once I have it on hold. Im a bit worried since posting that first one it disappeared quick. Just coincidence, I assume. I realize its a big world out there!

Thanks again for all the help!
 
Date: 11/26/2009 8:53:05 PM
Author: jasonvw
Lynn,

That is a gorgeous stone!!

I''m really not too held back on SI1 stones as my wife''s was an SI1 and she loved it. You are so right on price. When I move the scale from VS2 to SI1 I get about 3-4 times more choice.

Ive found another nice one and will let you guys know once I have it on hold. Im a bit worried since posting that first one it disappeared quick. Just coincidence, I assume. I realize its a big world out there!

Thanks again for all the help!
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Oh blast
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.....This happens unfortunately and it gets worse around the Holidays. Let us know when you have secured the next diamond and we will take a look. I wouldn''t be too concerned though, it was a nice diamond but maybe one with a smaller table would suit you better.

Note to all who have diamonds they want to post that they are seriously considering;

Make sure you have them on hold before posting here or just post the main details and the images if these aren''t watermarked or otherwise identifiable, to prevent lurker poaching.
 
I have this on hold. What do you think compared to the first stone?

Stock number: LD01201558
Price: $16,539
Bank wire price: $16,291
Price per carat: $7,990
Carat weight: 2.07
Cut: Ideal
Color: H
Clarity: SI1
Depth %: 62.0%
Table %: 55%
Symmetry: Ideal
Polish: Ideal
Girdle: Medium
Culet: None
Fluorescence: None
Measurements: 8.20 x 8.15 x 5.05 mm
Crown Angle: 34.6
Pavilion Angle: 40.8
AGS: 0009529503

www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-h-color-si1-clarity_LD01201558

Waiting to confirm eye clean from BN.
 
Date: 11/27/2009 10:30:48 AM
Author: jasonvw
I have this on hold. What do you think compared to the first stone?

Stock number: LD01201558
Price: $16,539
Bank wire price: $16,291
Price per carat: $7,990
Carat weight: 2.07
Cut: Ideal
Color: H
Clarity: SI1
Depth %: 62.0%
Table %: 55%
Symmetry: Idea
Polish: Ideal
Girdle: Medium
Culet: None
Fluorescence: None
Measurements: 8.20 x 8.15 x 5.05 mm
Crown Angle: 34.6
Pavilion Angle: 40.8
AGS: 0009529503

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-h-color-si1-clarity_LD01201558
Waiting to confirm eye clean from BN.
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I like it, it has potential...
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Update: I bought the first stone. Someone had it on hold and then released it. I compared it to many other stones and it was the price, size, and quality I wanted.

BN has an extra long return period during the holidays so I have until 1/15 to return.

What should I do once I get it? Have it appraised? The did confirm eye clean.
 
Date: 11/25/2009 11:14:18 PM
Author: jasonvw
Is 60/60 not a desirable combo? What would be better? I just did some reading and it seems an 'Ideal' cut is only 53-57 for table yet this 60 is an 'Ideal' cut? I assume these are fluid numbers...

BN confirms 'The diamond that you are interested in has been confirmed as eye clean from face up.'
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Will your stone be eye clean?
That depends on different people's definition. Six inches with half an hours inspection? Twelve inches with a casual glance?
If the seller says that it's eye clean, it implies that casual observers are highly unlikely to see the inclusions. But as the owner, with knowledge of the location and type of inclusions - and all the time you need to examine it thoroughly at six inches and bright lighting or from many different angles, I suspect that you will be able to see some of the inclusions. The favourite would be the crystal on the point of the star facet at 8 o'clock position; it may well appear black from some angles and light conditions. The inclusion plots are usually fairly good for location and size of inclusion and implies that it's size is just within the resolution of the human eye at close inspection.
But if the recipient doesn't use the GIA report to find where to look for the inclusions, they may never notice.

60/60 is from an old phrase that implied a stone with about 60% table and 60% pavilion should be a good performer. But as you'll have learned, simply the table and depth only give a rough guide of the stone and not usually enough detail to make a decision. 65% table and 65% depth is not easy to turn into a nice stone. Neither is 45% table and 45% depth. Numbers in the high 50's for table and low 60's for depth are where the best stones are usually found.

With a 56% table, the cutter has lots of options to make a great stone. With a 60% table, the options are more limited.
But great 60/60's do exist. However, they sit right on the edge of a light-performance abyss. They need very precise angles, otherwise the light performance drops off dramatically with just 0.1' change.
33.0 crown and 41.0 pavilion seems to suit a 60/60 type best.
The HCA probably correctly predicts a slight reduction in scintillation. 33/41 seems to cause paler arrows. Some people like that effect; it causes less darkness-contrast of the arrows in the middle of the stone than a normal ideal cut. But other optical qualities are not impaired and the stone may appear slightly brighter overall than a normal ideal cut.

I recently added a 59/60, 33.0/41.0, triple-Ex, H&A, D, SI, with SB fluor to the collection.
 
Date: 11/28/2009 4:55:43 PM
Author: jasonvw
Update: I bought the first stone. Someone had it on hold and then released it. I compared it to many other stones and it was the price, size, and quality I wanted.

BN has an extra long return period during the holidays so I have until 1/15 to return.

What should I do once I get it? Have it appraised? The did confirm eye clean.
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You could get an appraisal if you wished, congratulations on your purchase!!!
 
HELP!!

I bought this diamond on BN and now my wife talked to a local jeweler about having it set. They are unwilling to negotiate since we did not buy the diamond from them. The nice woman has convinced my wife that she can get a nicer diamond for less AND then deal on the setting. I told my wife its just not possible. Of course the jeweler wants us to come in and start looking at loose diamonds. This could take weeks! And I know they won''t give me anywhere close to a deal that BN did. My wife doesn''t understand.

HELP!!
 
Go in and look, and take your cheat sheet/idealscope/aset scope/loupe with you, and start comparing?

Can't hurt, you've got lots of time before you need to return that stone, and they obviously want to make the sale pretty badly - you might just get a really good deal. There's nothing that states that local jewellers can't have excellently cut stones. Even if you break even it's a plus to have a trustworthy local jeweller for future work/checkups, etc., IMHO.
 
yap. :P
 
I just feel like its so much work. And then they have the upper hand. Online I went thru hundreds of diamonds and picked this one.

Id have to spend days at the local jeweler and I feel like they would only be trying to screw me
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I'd suck it up and go to the store and pick out your favorite diamond there of comparable price. Ask if you can take it to an appraiser before purchase (which they should let you do, otherwise you shouldn't buy there in the first place; they probably will take your credit card info as collateral). Then bring both diamonds to the independent appraiser, and ask his/her opinion (and formulate your own when looking in various lighting conditions) and get an appraisal value (which I think you should do for the BN stone regardless). Do a blind test where the appraiser switches the diamond behind his/her back and has you choose one. Then look under loupe to confirm which one; assuming that you can't instantly distinguish the two based on size/color. Do this a few times and see if you pick the same one consistently. Good luck!
 
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