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melissa8585|1424975493|3838588 said:
Hi Everyone,

I am trying to narrow down my search, could I please get some insight on each of these diamonds:

http://www.brilliance.com/diamonds/...eal-cut-gia-certified-loose-diamond-D13211896
GIA Cert # 1189858854 $1800 american

http://www.brilliance.com/diamonds/...eal-cut-egl-certified-loose-diamond-D13198693
EGL Cert # EGL3405028224 $1380 american

Thoughts?
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Neither of those are a particularly good pick.

First option - HCA score of 3.7
Second option - EGL cert (you will want to avoid buying an EGL-certed stone, due to inflated grading)

Here are two options in your price range that are well-cut and come from well-established vendors:
.65ct, J, SI1
http://www.goodoldgold.com/ecommerce/0-65ct-j-si1-superior-round-hearts-and-arrows-diamond.html

.618ct, I, SI1
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3327392.htm
 
Think Melissa would be interested in hearing, Rocky (as it's probably not obvious to her & I don't want to put words in your mouth), why you consider Good Old Gold's (smaller) J-SI1, as per AGS, to be a particularly better choice than the EGL USA H-VS1 -- assuming that is indeed EGL USA's grading (Iseems kinda odd that the vendor needs 2 business days to produce the report; it's not immediately available for viewing).
 
MollyMalone|1424979530|3838621 said:
Think Melissa would be interested in hearing, Rocky (as it's probably not obvious to her & I don't want to put words in your mouth), why you consider Good Old Gold's (smaller) J-SI1, as per AGS, to be a particularly better choice than the EGL USA H-VS1 -- assuming that is indeed EGL USA's grading (Iseems kinda odd that the vendor needs 2 business days to produce the report; it's not immediately available for viewing).
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A reasonable point.

Read more about EGL issues here, including lawsuits and being de-listed from the biggest diamond database:
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/been-wondering-when-this-would-happen-lawsuit-over-grading.204318/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/been-wondering-when-this-would-happen-lawsuit-over-grading.204318/[/URL]
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/rapnet-bans-egl-reports-from-trading-network.205934/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/rapnet-bans-egl-reports-from-trading-network.205934/[/URL]

Here is some more information about cut, and its importance, including details about AGS:
https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/diamond-cut
https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/ags-ideal-cut-diamond

Melissa - hopefully this info proves helpful in the process. If you need any other details or info as to why folks here won't generally suggest EGL stones, feel free to ask!
 
MollyMalone|1424979530|3838621 said:
assuming that is indeed EGL USA's grading (Iseems kinda odd that the vendor needs 2 business days to produce the report; it's not immediately available for viewing).
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He actually got back to me very quickly and produced the Certificate with in hours of me asking as well a video. I noticed in the video that I could see a slight yellow tint to the diamond so I decided to cross that one off.

http://www.bestbrilliance.com/diamonds/product/diamond/id/4581

The diamond above has a higher rating... I know it is not a VS1. He is sending it to be certified by GIA and will have the report to me in 30 days. He was honest with me that GIA will grade it lower. It is a really nice cut diamond for the price. Looks beautiful in photos and in the video. Even if it comes back as a SI1 I or J color Signature ideal cut, I will take it for $1350 American.

I don't know I am torn. I don't want anything smaller than a .70 but don't want to pay more than $2200 Canadian. I know cut is the most important part. I didn't realize how frustrating it could be to find a decent diamond for a decent price. My criteria is as follows:

Carat: .69 or larger
Color: D-I
Cut: Ideal/excellent
Clarity: FL-SI1
Budget: $1800 USD

Thanks everyone for all your help and advice. :)
 
That diamond is from the questionable vendor, though. It gives absolutely zero information about the cut. If it was an excellent cut stone, I promise you, it would already be GIA graded. We are trying to help you get a nice quality diamond. But you are extremely unlikely to get one from a vendor that specializes in enhanced stone and stones without GIA or AGS grading.

There is a price jump at .70, so you'd do better staying slightly under that. I am looking at the absolutely lowest priced vendors and there are very few .70 I SI1s that are excellent cut for $1800. I am having trouble finding one to recommend.
 
diamondseeker2006|1425001743|3838776 said:
Are you in Canada?
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Sure am :)
 
Okay, then unless you were figuring the tax into your budget above $1800, we will have to stick with Canadian sites like Blue Nile Canada. However, they provide no images except on their signature stones. So I don't know the current exchange rate. Are you aiming for $1800 Canadian?
 
melissa8585|1425002380|3838784 said:
http://www.brilliance.com/diamonds/...eal-cut-egl-certified-loose-diamond-D13128258

Depth on this one seems good.
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That is an EGL International report, which means the color grade could be around 4 grades lower and the clarity one or two grades lower. In other words, it could in actuality be J SI2-I1. And trust me, you don't want to buy an SI2-I1 stone blind because it may have big black carbon blobs in it. You have to stick with GIA or AGS graded stones and they have to have a picture of the stone at least especially when you are looking at SI diamonds.

That is in NYC, so are you figuring a few hundred extra dollars for your taxes to have a US stone shipped to Canada?
 
diamondseeker2006|1425002257|3838783 said:
Okay, then unless you were figuring the tax into your budget above $1800, we will have to stick with Canadian sites like Blue Nile Canada. However, they provide no images except on their signature stones. So I don't know the current exchange rate. Are you aiming for $1800 Canadian?
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Budget all in is $2200 Canadian. So $1800 for actual stone.

$1500 USD for actual stone.
 
diamondseeker2006|1425002706|3838789 said:
melissa8585|1425002380|3838784 said:
http://www.brilliance.com/diamonds/...eal-cut-egl-certified-loose-diamond-D13128258

Depth on this one seems good.
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That is an EGL International report, which means the color grade could be around 4 grades lower and the clarity one or two grades lower. In other words, it could in actuality be J SI2-I1. And trust me, you don't want to buy an SI2-I1 stone blind because it may have big black carbon blobs in it. You have to stick with GIA or AGS graded stones and they have to have a picture of the stone at least especially when you are looking at SI diamonds.

That is in NYC, so are you figuring a few hundred extra dollars for your taxes to have a US stone shipped to Canada?
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The customer service actually sends me a high def video and pics of the actual diamond per my request.
 
Well, I am a little higher but this stone has perfect measurements and is I VS2. I am afraid for you to buy an SI stone blind because some are not acceptable. It is the lowest priced I VS2 with excellent cut (using filters to select the better ones) in the .60 range.

http://www.bluenile.com/ca/diamond-details/LD05554688
 
melissa8585|1425002958|3838795 said:
diamondseeker2006|1425002706|3838789 said:
melissa8585|1425002380|3838784 said:
http://www.brilliance.com/diamonds/...eal-cut-egl-certified-loose-diamond-D13128258

Depth on this one seems good.
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That is an EGL International report, which means the color grade could be around 4 grades lower and the clarity one or two grades lower. In other words, it could in actuality be J SI2-I1. And trust me, you don't want to buy an SI2-I1 stone blind because it may have big black carbon blobs in it. You have to stick with GIA or AGS graded stones and they have to have a picture of the stone at least especially when you are looking at SI diamonds.

That is in NYC, so are you figuring a few hundred extra dollars for your taxes to have a US stone shipped to Canada?
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The customer service actually sends me a high def video and pics of the actual diamond per my request.
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If you want a J SI2 stone, we can look at a selection of them at other US vendors who provide GIA reports and photos. The whole thing is that you do not know what you are getting with an EGL international stone.
 
I see .65 J SI2's for around $1500-1600+, so that stone is likely lower than J or lower than SI2.
 
diamondseeker2006|1425003261|3838797 said:
Well, I am a little higher but this stone has perfect measurements and is I VS2. I am afraid for you to buy an SI stone blind because some are not acceptable. It is the lowest priced I VS2 with excellent cut (using filters to select the better ones) in the .60 range.

http://www.bluenile.com/ca/diamond-details/LD05554688
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I wonder if Bluenile is willing to send actual photos.. Thats a nice diamond, thank you.

http://www.brilliance.com/diamonds/...eal-cut-egl-certified-loose-diamond-D13198693

Thoughts on this one? I'm sorry but I must pick your brain! I really appreciate the advice.
 
melissa8585|1425003868|3838804 said:
diamondseeker2006|1425003261|3838797 said:
Well, I am a little higher but this stone has perfect measurements and is I VS2. I am afraid for you to buy an SI stone blind because some are not acceptable. It is the lowest priced I VS2 with excellent cut (using filters to select the better ones) in the .60 range.

http://www.bluenile.com/ca/diamond-details/LD05554688
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I wonder if Bluenile is willing to send actual photos.. Thats a nice diamond, thank you.

http://www.brilliance.com/diamonds/...eal-cut-egl-certified-loose-diamond-D13198693

Thoughts on this one? I'm sorry but I must pick your brain! I really appreciate the advice.
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I doubt Blue Nile will send photos, but that stone has perfect numbers and would likely look better than many we can see pictures of. Those are about the perfect numbers to buy if you don't have pictures.

The .70 H has an EGL report but the report is not accessible from the site. So I don't know which EGL it is. But the price indicates it would have to be J SI2 or lower. It could be K color and SI1-SI2 clarity.

If you want a nice quality diamond, I would urge you to consider this one:

http://www.bluenile.com/ca/diamond-details/LD05554688

That's really the absolute best quality diamond for your money unless you want to go to J color to try to get a slightly larger stone.
 
diamondseeker2006|1425002257|3838783 said:
Okay, then unless you were figuring the tax into your budget above $1800, we will have to stick with Canadian sites like Blue Nile Canada. However, they provide no images except on their signature stones. So I don't know the current exchange rate. Are you aiming for $1800 Canadian?
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Just to clarify on the taxes- the OP will pay the same taxes whether purchasing the diamond in Canada or from the U.S. (PST/GST applicable in her province). There are no additional duties or taxes on loose diamonds (or set) purchased from the U.S.

The advantages to Bluenile Canada for Canadians seem to be free shipping and if using a credit card you would save the currency exchange charge because they charge in canadian dollars (usually 2.5%).

It's too bad the exchange is so lousy for us Canadians right now! It sure is putting a damper on my jewelry plans. :(
 
Thank you so much!! This diamond is on the top of my list for sure!! :)
 
melissa8585|1425006498|3838840 said:
Thank you so much!! This diamond is on the top of my list for sure!! :)
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You are very welcome! I am glad Evangeline explained the tax situation!
 
It will be for my engagement ring! I am helping my boyfriend out because he had no clue what he is doing and I am trying to save him the most amount if money. :)
 
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