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Help Finding a Champagne Diamond and OEC Cutter

Thanks guys for linking my stone, I appreciate it! I agree though that an I1 is not ideal for an engagement ring.

I'd say there is a very noticeable difference between a tinted white diamond and a champagne diamond. Plus, some warm OECs tend to look yellow as opposed to brown.

If I see anything on ebay, I'll be sure to link it here!
 
madelise|1366881259|3434205 said:
Take a look at this item # on eBay: 111055784941
Sorry, can't link. Very warm color, large, in budget, just don't know about the clarity and cut. But the price is very nice, 14 day return policy but w/ 10% restock... Still, I think it might be worth lookin at.!!
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Well, that sold very quickly!
 
ericad|1366904986|3434340 said:
Have you considered searching for an old cut in a top light brown color? They aren't very hard to find.

Here's a comparison pic of two stones we recently had for sale (both are sold). Both were graded as N color by EGL USA. One had a yellow undertone and the other had a brown undertone. Quite a noticeable difference when compared side by side, and the top brown stone really has a champagne vibe going on! Though not as saturated in color as a true champagne colored stone, it's an option you might want to include in your search. Especially if you can find a stone even lower than N in color, with a top brown hue.
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OOOOOOOOooooooooo....Erica....those are gorgeous stones!- I love the champagne vibe....
 
GemFever|1366946982|3434772 said:
Thanks guys for linking my stone, I appreciate it! I agree though that an I1 is not ideal for an engagement ring.

I'd say there is a very noticeable difference between a tinted white diamond and a champagne diamond. Plus, some warm OECs tend to look yellow as opposed to brown.

If I see anything on ebay, I'll be sure to link it here!
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Exactly. The brown undertone of a champagne stone and yellow warmth of lower colored diamonds are very different, I'd say.

Can anyone show me any fancy champagne stone rings?
 
vintagelover229|1366918741|3434502 said:
http://diamondbistro.com/category/197/Necklaces-and-Pendants/listings/34014/GIA-103ct-OP-VS2-OEC-18k-Rose-Gold-LotusPendant.html
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I am not an expert, but I would get this one...looking at the beautiful ring you have in mind (btw...your gf has taste!- that ring is gorgeous)....this one on Diamond bistro looks like a great deal and is within your range with GIA too. The faceting is lovely.
I have looked into this recutting thing and have thought about what you are thinking as well, but did not opt for it...If you notice the spread on those thailand stones on ebay...they are about the size of a 1 carat even if you were to buy a 1.5 carat ....then if you were to recut it would look even smaller. You would probably end up with a smaller looking stone? I am not an expert, but it seems like a loss and too risky for recut....Also, this OEC is just gorgeous! I can see it in the ring style you posted.
 
mufjp|1366950374|3434796 said:
GemFever|1366946982|3434772 said:
Thanks guys for linking my stone, I appreciate it! I agree though that an I1 is not ideal for an engagement ring.

I'd say there is a very noticeable difference between a tinted white diamond and a champagne diamond. Plus, some warm OECs tend to look yellow as opposed to brown.

If I see anything on ebay, I'll be sure to link it here!
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Exactly. The brown undertone of a champagne stone and yellow warmth of lower colored diamonds are very different, I'd say.

Can anyone show me any fancy champagne stone rings?
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Check this one out:

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/mc2-e-ring-is-here-brown-diamond-rose-gold.186685/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/mc2-e-ring-is-here-brown-diamond-rose-gold.186685/[/URL]

One of my favorites!
 
I would go with this great performing perfect cut AVR...even if it is an I2...there are no black inclusions that i can see. it is large and AVR's are to die for. Check out the Megascope and ASET.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10240/

GOG recuts diamonds but you have to check with them to see if the specs are right on the diamond you purchase to do a recut...I think it was posted that the pavilion % had to be at least 41-42% but don't recall the exact measurement. GOG will actually help you find a stone to recut. I would check with them since you are in NY.
 
ariel144|1366956491|3434822 said:
I would go with this great performing perfect cut AVR...even if it is an I2...there are no black inclusions that i can see. it is large and AVR's are to die for. Check out the Megascope and ASET.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10240/

GOG recuts diamonds but you have to check with them to see if the specs are right on the diamond you purchase to do a recut...I think it was posted that the pavilion % had to be at least 41-42% but don't recall the exact measurement. GOG will actually help you find a stone to recut. I would check with them since you are in NY.
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Recutting to an AVR isn't cost practical at all-it costs since it's at least $350.00 per carat for the recut + round trip for shipping the diamond back and fourth (my quote for that was 260.00 but perhaps his would be less since my diamond had a higher total value for insuring purposes but you get the idea)+ 5% royalty fee of what the diamond *would* sell for on the market as a AVR.

I was looking at 1800.00 to recut my stone into an AVR-which is almost half of the total amount I have into it-and it would have gotten a LOT smaller. If I do a recut my stone will be an AGS ideal cut stone but that's unlikely ever.

I wouldn't go into it thinking of getting a recut-there are to many variables to consider. If you do choose to go that route I would contact Adam at OWD or Jon at GOG for them to start sourcing a reasonable priced stone that would be a good candidate and have it cut into an ideal cut OEC and not an AVR due to the premium it holds.
 
Champagne color diamonds ARE lower colored diamonds on the GIA scale! There is no fancy GIA color called Champagne as far as I know. So you are looking for a lower color with a tint that you consider to be champagne color. The picture of the stone you linked originally looks like a lower color and not particularly champagne to me at all. You need to focus on antique stones that are probably L and lower to get some tint to them.
 
Diamondseeker is correct. GIA does not have a colour category called champagne. It is basically a brown (as in very obviously brown, not tinted) diamond, not a yellow or lower coloured "white" diamond.
 
Chrono|1366992034|3435006 said:
Diamondseeker is correct. GIA does not have a colour category called champagne. It is basically a brown (as in very obviously brown, not tinted) diamond, not a yellow or lower coloured "white" diamond.
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Thanks, Chrono! But I do think of true champagne as having a very light slight yellowish (but still having some brown) tint as well...when I think of it's namesake! Similar to gingerale..but that is not as glamorous a name! :lol: These stones will be found in the below Near-colorless GIA range, but obviously not all lower color diamonds are champagne color. Wintotty has that 3 ct AVR with K color and brown tint. I think it is gorgeous! :love:
 
The term "champagne" was a brilliant marketing ploy to try to make brown tinted diamonds more appealing. I think there is a fancy brown category, like there is a fancy yellow category, but the moniker "chapagne" seems to apply to the non-fancy range. Like, O-P and more tinted, with a brown rather than yellow modifier. So just look for a tinted stone with a brown modifier! There are a tonne. They were called "Cape" diamonds back in the day because of the mines they often came from. That term is often still used by old cut dealers. Adam at Old World Diamonds often calls stones "top cape silver" (as reported by PSers) which basically means a brown tint in the O-P, Q-R range.

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/are-faint-colors-such-as-u-v-w-x-and-y-z-fancy-colored-diamonds.124353/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/are-faint-colors-such-as-u-v-w-x-and-y-z-fancy-colored-diamonds.124353/[/URL]
 
This is my stone, I too liked it for the champagne-y color...you may get with Jonathan and see if he has anything similar coming in...while it was on budget, it's lower ct. weight than you're looking for. I also have mine set in rose gold. I know you're looking for bigger, but i truly think AVR's are the best way to go! Although, you could always contact Adam at Old WOrld DIamonds and see what he's able to find for you! Many PS'ers have had good luck with them!



http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9340/
 
mufjp|1366868593|3434187 said:
One more thing I wanted to add! We're also considering a yellow sapphire as an option. Would it look similar to a champagne colored diamond? I'm just wondering if sapphires would be just as sparkly as diamonds, if cut right.
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If you want to find another type stone that will simulate a diamond and that sparkle you need to look at a zircon. They perform more like a diamond than any other type stone. Was told this by a professor of gemology when looking into a white sapphire. Zircons are also less expensive than sapphires. I've seen antique OEC blue zircons but not light brown. They are beautiful.
 
ariel144|1366956491|3434822 said:
I would go with this great performing perfect cut AVR...even if it is an I2...there are no black inclusions that i can see. it is large and AVR's are to die for. Check out the Megascope and ASET.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10240/

GOG recuts diamonds but you have to check with them to see if the specs are right on the diamond you purchase to do a recut...I think it was posted that the pavilion % had to be at least 41-42% but don't recall the exact measurement. GOG will actually help you find a stone to recut. I would check with them since you are in NY.
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For a comparison to the GOG I2 above:

I1 from DBL:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-38ct-Fancy-Brownish-Yellow-I1-DBL-Branded-Cut-GIA-R5164-Diamonds-by-Lauren-/230966248426?pt=Loose_Diamonds&hash=item35c6a943ea

The GOG stone is larger and cheaper and the color is more of a brown tone. The faceting on both stones are lovely though.

DBL does not do ASETS, Idealscopes or Megascopes....with GOG they have testing that proves the performance of their stones. Part of the I2 stone inclusion looks prongable. But ask if the feather is going to affect the stability as it goes to the girdle. I had a radiant cut with a white feather that went all the way around the girdle and the gemologist stated that it would not affect the stability of the stone. Also Jon will tell you how much the feather is detectable to the naked eye. He had another stone with a long feather like that which he stated he could not see even with his reading glasses on. Cut is King and that stone is really lovely and large and looks to be the color you are looking for.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10240/
 
Brown zircons exist but are not a good idea for a ring stone that is meant to be worn 24/7. The facets abrade easily and will chip.
 
I still haven't found my stone yet. I have been busy with other things but it seems like shopping online for a champagne stone is hard! Sigh..
 
mufjp|1366950374|3434796 said:
GemFever|1366946982|3434772 said:
Thanks guys for linking my stone, I appreciate it! I agree though that an I1 is not ideal for an engagement ring.

I'd say there is a very noticeable difference between a tinted white diamond and a champagne diamond. Plus, some warm OECs tend to look yellow as opposed to brown.

If I see anything on ebay, I'll be sure to link it here!
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Exactly. The brown undertone of a champagne stone and yellow warmth of lower colored diamonds are very different, I'd say.

Can anyone show me any fancy champagne stone rings?
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Actually I don't agree with you at all. I have seen mid coloured diamonds with a pale yellow hue, a pale champagne hue and a pale brown hue. I have seen low coloured diamonds W, X, Y, Z that are very obviously yellow, brown and champagne coloured. You really have to examine each stone and its shade on a case by case basis.
 
just wanted to add that I initially wanted a C2 or C3 diamond for my ering

but in the end I discovered my M omc - which as dreamer explained would have been called "light cape" in the old scale

I fell in love with that hue and my stone - it was the perfect mix of vintage and vanilla flashes of light for me

but from what I gather - stones with the same colour grade certainly can have quite different tones

don't give up - good luck on the hunt - you are looking for something extra special :wink2:
 
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