Help evaluating diamond with ideal scope

[hani123]

Hello Everyone,

I would like to sincerely thank everyone for their contributions to this forum. Without it, I would have had a lot more trouble choosing a diamond. I have learned a lot!

I was wondering if any of you could please help me with this ideal scope image. What are your thoughts on it? Is this diamond considered ideal?

The diamond is 1.09ct E VVS2. It cost $9700.
HCA of 0.7

Your help is greatly appreciated.

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• hani123
• Oct 18, 2017

 

[HappyNewLife]

Looks good to me. Is an ASET available?

(Not that you asked, but I'd drop down to a G/VS2 and go bigger for your budget)

 

[hani123]

Looks good to me. Is an ASET available?

(Not that you asked, but I'd drop down to a G/VS2 and go bigger for your budget)

James Allen said they don't have ASET for any diamonds, is this true?

I truly wanted bigger it's just my mother who I was shopping with is extremely color sensitive so we went into the colorless range. We were at the mall and she spotted the color on a set H! I'm shopping for my girlfriend by the way.

The diamonds I did find in the colorless range with VS2+ on James Allen didn't seem to score well on HCA. Either that or they didn't look eye clean. Am I missing something?

 

[rockysalamander]

So, here are a lot of options that are arranged in size. I added some Gs in this list.

Pick your Top 3 and request an IS (JA does not give ASET)
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...d-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3286436 {6.84 mm, crisp faceting, very bright D color, $9240}

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...-color-vvs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3582962 (6.82 mm, good contrast, totally clean at a VVS1}

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...-g-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-993428 {6.80 mm, chubby arrows and crisp faceting}

True Hearts
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...g-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-2634026 {good IS, nice angles)

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...rat-g-color-vs1-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-2280854 {good IS, nice angles)

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...at-g-color-vvs2-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-3257529 {good IS, nice angles)

This is super ideal with top cut and performance. It will make detecting color harder. It will also be a sparkle bomb. But, you trade a bit of size potential to get better performance AND trade-in policy.
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3839976.htm

 

[hani123]

@rockysalamander thank you so much for the suggestions. I am still reviewing them to decide if I want to switch diamonds or not. However, based on the ideal scope I provided for my current diamond is there anything wrong with it? Is it much different than the ideal scopes for super ideal diamonds from bgd or wF?

 

[tyty333]

James Allen said they don't have ASET for any diamonds, is this true?

I truly wanted bigger it's just my mother who I was shopping with is extremely color sensitive so we went into the colorless range. We were at the mall and she spotted the color on a set H! I'm shopping for my girlfriend by the way.

The diamonds I did find in the colorless range with VS2+ on James Allen didn't seem to score well on HCA. Either that or they didn't look eye clean. Am I missing something?

Do you know who the mall stones were graded by? If they werent GIA/AGS then they actually could be several colors lower than the "H" they proclaim them
to be. Always need to check to they are graded by so you know if you are looking at a GIA "H" or an EGL "H".

GIA/AGS G would be a typical color for most people. Well cut stones should be very white and bright. Most* people start noticing a little tint from the side
when you start getting down in the "I" color range.

Take a look at this video on color by GOG

 

[hani123]

Do you know who the mall stones were graded by? If they werent GIA/AGS then they actually could be several colors lower than the "H" they proclaim them
to be. Always need to check to they are graded by so you know if you are looking at a GIA "H" or an EGL "H".

GIA/AGS G would be a typical color for most people. Well cut stones should be very white and bright. Most* people start noticing a little tint from the side
when you start getting down in the "I" color range.

Take a look at this video on color by GOG

They for sure weren't GIA/AGS diamonds. Did you have a chance to look at the ideal scope I posted? If so, does it look similar to a ideal hearts and arrows?

Lastly, would you suggest I go for this diamond or a 1.4 ct VS1 H for the same price?

 

[Karl_K]

The diamond passes the IS test with flying colors.
What are the numbers?

 

[HappyNewLife]

James Allen said they don't have ASET for any diamonds, is this true?

I truly wanted bigger it's just my mother who I was shopping with is extremely color sensitive so we went into the colorless range. We were at the mall and she spotted the color on a set H! I'm shopping for my girlfriend by the way.

The diamonds I did find in the colorless range with VS2+ on James Allen didn't seem to score well on HCA. Either that or they didn't look eye clean. Am I missing something?

Is there anything good in the G category? I too am color sensitive starting at H, but my G diamond is bright white in all lighting.

Oh, you're right, JA doesn't have ASETs.

(rockysalamander will probably have great insight on cut quality)

 

[rockysalamander]

Agree with others, this passes the IS beautifully. Did you look at that G diamonds I posted above? I posted 6 of them in post #4 here. Did they not work for you in some way?

 

[hani123]

@rockysalamander @Karl_K @HappyNewLife Here is a link to the diamond for which you requested specs, I already purchased it but I can still switch it. JamesAllen just told me to let them know.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...-color-vvs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3551641

Here is another diamond I am considering, it's just the H color which is pushing me away because my mother is color sensitive

1.4 ct h VS1.. I've also attached the ideal scope for this diamond

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...h-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3544541

RJnBlcK

• hani123
• Oct 18, 2017

Which of the two diamonds do you think has the better light performance? Will the H be noticeable or will the performance mask it?

 

[hani123]

Agree with others, this passes the IS beautifully. Did you look at that G diamonds I posted above? I posted 6 of them in post #4 here. Did they not work for you in some way?

The suggestions were beautiful, it was only that the one I really liked had some faint fluorescence. It was a G VS2 1.22. There was a D in there that had strong fluorescence. As for the rest, I wasn't sure if the size difference of .1 was worth switching diamonds by a few grades and color.

I thought about going for the WhiteFlash diamond, and even though it's eye clean I don't know if it is eye clean from close up because it is SI1. I'm a little OCD and it won't leave me mind clean, especially if I can see it from super up close.

 

[rockysalamander]

What worries you about flourescence?

 

[ringo865]

Is this stone for your mother?

And even if your mother can see color in a non-GIA/AGS "H" stone (in a mall jewelry store) it's probably safely a "J" anyway.

What does the recipient want? We pricescopers are more concerned about (first) cut, then (second) what the wearer (not your mom, unless she's the wearer) wants.

Some prefer size over color, some prefer color over clarity, some want D/IF, even if it's a fraction of the size they could get by adjusting each other C.

 

[hani123]

What worries you about flourescence?

I read that strong fluorescence in lighter colored diamonds can make them hazy.

 

[hani123]

Is this stone for your mother?

And even if your mother can see color in a non-GIA/AGS "H" stone (in a mall jewelry store) it's probably safely a "J" anyway.

What does the recipient want? We pricescopers are more concerned about (first) cut, then (second) what the wearer (not your mom, unless she's the wearer) wants.

Some prefer size over color, some prefer color over clarity, some want D/IF, even if it's a fraction of the size they could get by adjusting each other C.

I'm not sure what the recipient wants but I'm playing it safe with the color. I'm leaning towards H because I believe the recipient will want a larger stone but I am not sure. It's a surprise.

 

[ringo865]

Fluorescence "can" make stones hazy. Only very rarely, and a vendor should tell you if you ask. Also get a good (30 days) return policy so you can see for yourself and compare it to stones in your area.

And for your recipient, does she have Pinterest that you can snoop around in?

I (my preference) would love to be surprised with a larger, "near colorless" stone that is eyeclean. Of course it must be cut to ideal proportions so that it would have the best play of light and fire. That's just me though. Does she have any friends you could enlist to help you snoop into her preferences?

 

[hani123]

Realized I posted the incorrect idealscope for the 1.4 ct H diamond I'm looking at .. This is the correct ideal scope. Any insight on this one in comparison to the one in the OP?

 

[hani123]

Fluorescence "can" make stones hazy. Only very rarely, and a vendor should tell you if you ask. Also get a good (30 days) return policy so you can see for yourself and compare it to stones in your area.

And for your recipient, does she have Pinterest that you can snoop around in?

I (my preference) would love to be surprised with a larger, "near colorless" stone that is eyeclean. Of course it must be cut to ideal proportions so that it would have the best play of light and fire. That's just me though. Does she have any friends you could enlist to help you snoop into her preferences?

I think her preference is for bigger diamond but I don't know at the expense of icy white