[Help]: Could someone help me to look at this ring? Thanks!

[helensunshiny]

Hello everyone, I have been looking for the diamond ring for a couple of weeks on BN, however, I don't know which of the following should I choose. I really needs help. I am a lady around 35. My budget is around $3500.

The first one is :
http://www.bluenile.com/build-your-own-diamond-ring?override=1&pid=LD01724265&offer_id=2&ring_size=6&forceStep=BASKET_STEP

The second one is:
http://www.bluenile.com/build-your-own-diamond-ring?override=1&pid=LD01721163&offer_id=2&ring_size=6&forceStep=BASKET_STEP


Thanks in advance!

 

[Dee*Jay]

Re: [Help]: Could someone help me to look at this ring? Than

Is there a reason you are looking so high In clarity and color? With your budget you could get a substantially larger, but still visibly white, and eye clean stone.

 

[LALove]

Re: [Help]: Could someone help me to look at this ring? Than

I agree with DJ- you could get a much larger stone if you went a bit lower in color/clarity. Are you set on staying at F color or above and vvs clarity?

 

[stci]

Re: [Help]: Could someone help me to look at this ring? Than

I agree too Helen! You could have a marvelous larger diamond for this price.

 

[MissGotRocks]

Re: [Help]: Could someone help me to look at this ring? Than

http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/solitaire-rings/?step=ItemComplete

This is a G color, SI clarity stone in a simple white gold setting. It goes over budget by $200 and if you were willing to go down a bit in cut quality or color the stone could be even larger. This vendor has a trade in policy if you ever wanted to use it but check the particulars of it.

Just using this as an example to show how much of a larger stone you could get for about the same money. . .

 

[stci]

Re: [Help]: Could someone help me to look at this ring? Than

The link say nothing MissGR.

 

[helensunshiny]

Re: [Help]: Could someone help me to look at this ring? Than

Thank you guys! I almost gave up! This is my first time to buy the diamond. I agree with DJ and LALove, I should downgrade the clarity, and for the color, I really have no idea. Therefore, I think I need select again

 

[helensunshiny]

Re: [Help]: Could someone help me to look at this ring? Than

I want the diamond to be shining, therefore, I downgrade the clarity but stay at F.

http://www.bluenile.com/build-your-own-diamond-ring?override=1&pid=LD01721270&offer_id=2&ring_size=6&forceStep=BASKET_STEP
Report: GIA 6127579595

other parameters are as follows:
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Depth: 61.4%
Table: 57.0%
Girdle: Medium to Medium
Symmetry: EX
Polish: EX
Culet: None
Fluorescence: None
Measurements: 5.53x5.55x3.40mm

HCA Score: 1.3 - Excellent within TIC range

So, my choice would be F-VS1. I don't know what my diamond like if I pick G-VS1. BTW, my budget is below $3000, $3500 is for the total including the simple setting　：）

Thanks again~

 

[yssie]

Re: [Help]: Could someone help me to look at this ring? Than

The numbers on the stone look fine, BN will not provide images so you'll want to have them check it over and probably get an independent appraisal after purchase within the return period.

My personal opinion - I would not pay the BN signature premium though. They advertise these stones as H&A but will not provide images to back this up, so I think it is a gamble w/ any given stone, and they will not provide any pictures or light reflector technology photos and they do not come with extra trade-in or upgrade policies so there is little to gain in that aspect, and you can find equally well-spec'd stones in the general virtual inventory for less.

In this size range SI is very likely to be eyeclean, and 99.99...% of VS2s will be clean to the most discerning eyes, so I would drop clarity to VS2 as I think you appreciate the mind-clean as much as the eyeclean

For example here's a v nice F VS2: http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-search?filter_id=0&track=head#diamonds_pid=LD01596203
report check http://www2.gia.edu/reportcheck/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.showReportVerification&reportno=2121622502&weight=0.65
an E VS2: http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-search?filter_id=0&track=head#diamonds_pid=LD01878240
report check http://www2.gia.edu/reportcheck/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.showReportVerification&reportno=6127809249&weight=0.63
plenty more if you care to do your own searching

 

[helensunshiny]

Re: [Help]: Could someone help me to look at this ring? Than

Thank you Yssie!
For BN signature idea cut, they do have a report include some pictures, but don't know if the photos come from the real diamond.

 

[helensunshiny]

Re: [Help]: Could someone help me to look at this ring? Than

The numbers on the stone look fine, BN will not provide images so you'll want to have them check it over and probably get an independent appraisal after purchase within the return period.

My personal opinion - I would not pay the BN signature premium though. They advertise these stones as H&A but will not provide images to back this up, so I think it is a gamble w/ any given stone, and they will not provide any pictures or light reflector technology photos and they do not come with extra trade-in or upgrade policies so there is little to gain in that aspect, and you can find equally well-spec'd stones in the general virtual inventory for less.

In this size range SI is very likely to be eyeclean, and 99.99...% of VS2s will be clean to the most discerning eyes, so I would drop clarity to VS2 as I think you appreciate the mind-clean as much as the eyeclean

For example here's a v nice F VS2: http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-search?filter_id=0&track=head#diamonds_pid=LD01596203
report check http://www2.gia.edu/reportcheck/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.showReportVerification&reportno=2121622502&weight=0.65
an E VS2: http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-search?filter_id=0&track=head#diamonds_pid=LD01878240
report check http://www2.gia.edu/reportcheck/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.showReportVerification&reportno=6127809249&weight=0.63
plenty more if you care to do your own searching

Wow~~ These two are really nice! Good HCA score! The difference is the Fluorescence, the first one is Medium Blue, the second one is None. I am considering them! Thanks Yssie

 

[yssie]

Re: [Help]: Could someone help me to look at this ring? Than

Helen - the gcal is from that diamond, yes.

IMO though it doesn't really tell us anything terribly helpful, not worth the premium these stones have:
-The extra scan info is nice to have
-You can't tell anything about real-world visibility of inclusions from a 2-D static photo - it is just a map to point them out, though since sig. stones are in-house you could tell your rep your requirements for clarity (clean from face-up from 6"? from 15? clean from the sides too?) and have them vet the stone to your specifications
-Most near-H&As and kind-of-near-H&As will have an arrow formation of some sort, some more defined and precise than others, it is the hearts that you can see from the pavilion through a H&A viewer that are difficult to produce, but no images of this
-OPtical Brilliance Analysis shows areas of leakage (where light escapes through the pavilion instead of being emitted through the crown/table back to your eyes). A little bit of leakage produces contrast that most find appealing. An IdealScope or ASET would also show this information - and much more as well.

ETA: glad to help, I'll see if I can fish out a few more for your consideration.

 

[yssie]

Re: [Help]: Could someone help me to look at this ring? Than

D VS2 from JA request hearts re-take: http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/D-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1315122.asp
F VS2 - check if eyeclean to your specifications, but in this size range I would be shocked if it is not clean http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1287705.asp
F VS2 request hearts and IS: http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1349872.asp

I don't know if SI1 is sufficiently mind-clean for you, but if interested you might inquire into this one: http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2428268.htm

E VS2 from GOG: http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/7824/

 

[Lorelei]

Re: [Help]: Could someone help me to look at this ring? Than

The numbers on the stone look fine, BN will not provide images so you'll want to have them check it over and probably get an independent appraisal after purchase within the return period.

My personal opinion - I would not pay the BN signature premium though. They advertise these stones as H&A but will not provide images to back this up, so I think it is a gamble w/ any given stone, and they will not provide any pictures or light reflector technology photos

My opinion is the same as Yssies, if you want a h&a precision cut and are paying a premium for that then I think the consumer should be provided with clear and detailed images of both hearts and arrows in order to prove cut precision necessary to qualify a diamond for the h&a standard. My take on this is - no images = no h&a. That is not to say that some diamonds purported to be h&a aren't very well cut diamonds because of course they can be, and if the consumer is happy to believe a diamond is h&a without proof then that is of course their perogative. Otherwise for those that want to make sure they are paying for 'true' h&a, images are non negotiable I believe.

 

[helensunshiny]

Re: [Help]: Could someone help me to look at this ring? Than

The numbers on the stone look fine, BN will not provide images so you'll want to have them check it over and probably get an independent appraisal after purchase within the return period.

My personal opinion - I would not pay the BN signature premium though. They advertise these stones as H&A but will not provide images to back this up, so I think it is a gamble w/ any given stone, and they will not provide any pictures or light reflector technology photos and they do not come with extra trade-in or upgrade policies so there is little to gain in that aspect, and you can find equally well-spec'd stones in the general virtual inventory for less.

In this size range SI is very likely to be eyeclean, and 99.99...% of VS2s will be clean to the most discerning eyes, so I would drop clarity to VS2 as I think you appreciate the mind-clean as much as the eyeclean

For example here's a v nice F VS2: http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-search?filter_id=0&track=head#diamonds_pid=LD01596203
report check http://www2.gia.edu/reportcheck/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.showReportVerification&reportno=2121622502&weight=0.65
an E VS2: http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-search?filter_id=0&track=head#diamonds_pid=LD01878240
report check http://www2.gia.edu/reportcheck/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.showReportVerification&reportno=6127809249&weight=0.63
plenty more if you care to do your own searching

It is hard for me to choose now, I want to get this one as you recommended.
an E VS2: http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-search?filter_id=0&track=head#diamonds_pid=LD01878240
report check http://www2.gia.edu/reportcheck/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.showReportVerification&reportno=6127809249&weight=0.63

I think the HCT score is good, but don't know the VS2 will affect the final looking if I got the diamond.

 

[yssie]

Re: [Help]: Could someone help me to look at this ring? Than

It is hard for me to choose now, I want to get this one as you recommended.
an E VS2: http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-search?filter_id=0&track=head#diamonds_pid=LD01878240
report check http://www2.gia.edu/reportcheck/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.showReportVerification&reportno=6127809249&weight=0.63

I think the HCT score is good, but don't know the VS2 will affect the final looking if I got the diamond.

I think it will prove to be a very bright stone.

If you are looking for eyeclean from face-up and crown angles, I honestly think you could peer at it so closely you go cross-eyed and you will still not see the inclusion in a VS2 at this size range unless you have truly superhuman vision or it was mis-graded. If you want eyeclean from all sides there are no guarantees but I think there is a decent likelihood.

Why not go to your local dealer and look at some GIA/AGS graded VS2s in this size range, and see what you think in general? You will at least get some idea of your tolerances if you wind up seeing inclusions in fifteen different 0.5ct GIA VS2s..

 

[helensunshiny]

Re: [Help]: Could someone help me to look at this ring? Than

It is hard for me to choose now, I want to get this one as you recommended.
an E VS2: http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-search?filter_id=0&track=head#diamonds_pid=LD01878240
report check http://www2.gia.edu/reportcheck/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.showReportVerification&reportno=6127809249&weight=0.63

I think the HCT score is good, but don't know the VS2 will affect the final looking if I got the diamond.

I think it will prove to be a very bright stone.

If you are looking for eyeclean from face-up and crown angles, I honestly think you could peer at it so closely you go cross-eyed and you will still not see the inclusion in a VS2 at this size range unless you have truly superhuman vision or it was mis-graded. If you want eyeclean from all sides there are no guarantees but I think there is a decent likelihood.

Why not go to your local dealer and look at some GIA/AGS graded VS2s in this size range, and see what you think in general? You will at least get some idea of your tolerances if you wind up seeing inclusions in fifteen different 0.5ct GIA VS2s..

Thanks Yssie! I went to a local store and had a look at the diamond in different color and clarity levels. The first one is a little small size with E-VS2, the other one is F-VVS2 with larger size. The result is the larger one seems has more spark, the cut are the same. I looked at the GIA report of the one above from BN, "clarity characteristics" is showing "crystal" , does it means this one is a good stone?

 

[yssie]

Re: [Help]: Could someone help me to look at this ring? Than

Do you have any info on the numbers for each of the stones? Or the report info. There are several possibilities here.

Generalisations are always problematic because there are always exceptions to encompassing rules, but *in general*

1. What do you define as "spark" - 'twinkling' white light return, or big bold flashes of coloured light, or brightness (white light return) as a static property, or....
2. If by "spark" you mean 'twinkle' - lots of very quick splintery white pinflashes, it might be because the stone you liked was shallower, had long lgfs, imprecise optical symmetry
3. If by "spark" you mean lots of white light return, the stone you liked may have had a shallower crown/steeper pavilion combo
4. If by "spark" you mean slow but bold flashes of colour that blind you, it might be because the stone you liked had a steeper crown, short lgfs, precise optical symmetry that produces large avg virtual facet size
5. If the numbers on both are similar you might be seeing the effects of simply the increase in size, which automatically necessitates an increase in facet size - if both RBs have 57 facets and one is slightly larger, its facets must be slightly larger, and larger facets *in general* are able to return larger, bolder flashes of light and uninterrupted dispersions
6. If by "spark" you are referring to edge-edge light return in a stone that had no contrast due to leakage near the girdle, like an 8*, the stone you liked was painted (brillianteering, notated on the report if present)
7. Something else entirely!


There is a crystal in the stone that caused the stone to be graded very slightly included instead of internally flawless. A crystal in a VS2 of this size is not going to be visible, and it will absolutely not impact light return, if that is your concern.

 

[helensunshiny]

Re: [Help]: Could someone help me to look at this ring? Than

Dear Yssie,

I need to look into my ring again. I consider the ring you suggested before:

http://www.bluenile.com/build-your-own-diamond-ring?first_step=diamond&forceStep=DIAMONDS_STEP#diamonds_forceStep=DIAMONDS_STEP|builder=BYOR|pid=LD01878240

My budget is up and I saw this ring:

http://www.bluenile.com/build-your-own-diamond-ring?first_step=diamond&forceStep=DIAMONDS_STEP#diamonds_forceStep=DIAMONDS_STEP|builder=BYOR|pid=LD01829492


I don't know which one should I go with for now.

Thanks!