HELP!?!? Before I make a move!

[Kelli]

Everyone here is right! I just want to be one more voice saying DON''T DO IT!!!!!

 

[BKDJ]

Date: 9/7/2008 11:00:09 PM
Author: Kelli
Everyone here is right! I just want to be one more voice saying DON''T DO IT!!!!!

ok, new developments! the seller is a known dealer in the bursa, they own the Amore'' line of Hearts and Arrows diamonds. they are associated with rapnet and polygon. turns out the youngest son is behind this to pay his college tuition on his own. In a way, I feel a bit more secure. Would you?

 

[arjunajane]

Seriously, Fuggedaboutit.
You have received some sound advice here from both educated consumers and true experts in the field. If you choose to disregard, do so at your own peril.
A diamond is not a second hand car, or a computer, or even a watch. You cannot compare the "safe" purchase of these items and apply it to this.

 

[BKDJ]

why do I feel im the only one who''s pro-ebay???????
ill give you 3 examples of amazing buys I''ve had on eBay:
a like-new Rolex Pres. crown series platinum with factory diamonds, valued at 110k, bought it for 40k. 1.65ct E VVS2 princess GIA for just over 3k. and... a brand new Mitsubishi pajero for 32k when list was close to 50k.... I have lost once on ebay on a pioneer djm800 mixer that i bought for $500 with a 1400 retail and it never got shipped, but I had paypal buyer protection. So I guess thats the main reason why I am pro ebay. tickets all booked, flying out in a few hours so I guess ill let everyone know how it goes soon and with PLENTY OF PICTURES, if it all works out!

 

[arjunajane]

You are speaking to someone who has made their last 2 diamond/jewellery purchases on ebay here. I didn''t say I was against ebay, just against ebay listings that are..well, not 100% honest lets say.
In the future, if you have already made your mind up about something, perhaps not much point to ask others'' input? Just my 2c.
Good luck in your trip, I hope you buy something nice.

 

[elle_chris]

Just did a search for EGL, F, SI2''S.

An EGL stone on pricescopes search showed they run for 10,500k for excellent cut. (They start even cheaper at at 7,700 for very good")
A GIA ex, ex, ex F, SI2 at james allen Link is running for 16,300 (that stone looks very promising).

So I have to ask, why would you over pay by that much to an Ebay vendor you''ve never done buisness with before? Hell, I wouldn''t overpay but that much to a vendor i HAVE worked with before.

 

[girlie-girl]

Plus he has to factor in the cost of the plane tickets, the vacation day(s) and if it's not a day trip, the cost of lodging and food as well into the cost of this diamond. I still don't understand why he's so dead set on buying off Ebay from this vendor. I browsed around yesterday and wouldn't feel comfortable buying there at all. Besides, I have my suspicions about all this but am not the type to openly accuse without more proof.

Personally, as if there aren't enough reasons already, the return policy would cause me to walk away:

In the event a customer purchases an item and decides to return it, there are costs incurred by our company. Due to this fact, we have decided to develop a return/exchange procedure that we feel is appropriate and continues to allow us to offer our exceptionally low prices. Each client has a 7 day inspection period. This inspection period begins on the day you receive your diamond. If for any reason you are not completely satisfied with your merchandise, you may return your merchandise (In it’s original condition) for a full refund minus shipping charges and processing fees. We must be notified within 3 days of your intent to return/exchange, and the merchandise must be received by the authorized lab (which will verify the return as a “third party mediator”) which has issued the certification, no later than 14 days from the day you receive it, you are obliged to securely package and arrange return shipping. Non-refundable Processing fees total 5% of the purchase price.

Lastly I just wanted to add the one feedback this seller received was on a .3ct stone with a sale price of $350.00.

Again, I wish you luck.

 

[MMT]

I really like ebay. I have bought and sold many things but never a diamond that expensive. It''s not worth the risk.

 

[elle_chris]

If I were the dealer, I''d walk away laughing at anyone spending almost 20k on my 2.02 F, SI2 graded by EGL.
Regardless if they bought it at a B&M, online or Ebay.
That''s double what the going rate is for that stone.

BKDJ- This is a diamond learning site. I take it you''ve spent enough time here and learned something, so I just don''t get it?
I mean c''mon, you''re obviously NOT getting a deal. In fact, this is such a blatant rip off I''m amazed you''re considering it.

 

[Kelli]

I don''t hate ebay either. But you seem DETERMINED to buy from there, even though you could better a better stone and better deal elsewhere, AND without all that added hassle. An EGL cert is NOT reliable. If you actually want an F SI2, you need to stick with GIA or AGS. AGS is better if you also want a great cut, because their diamonds are actually graded on light performance too. Cut IS the number one thing to look at if you want a beautiful diamond, and just because some seller says "hearts and arrows" does not mean it will be a top performing stone. Hearts and arrows is the pattern only, there are other important things to consider for great performance. But back to my original point, EGL Israel is quite well-known for being the least reliable grading report, and every jeweler I''ve ever dealt with has told me to knock the color and clarity down TWO GRADES, and that is most likely what it really is. NO, NO, NO--- even if it IS legit--- which it clearly doesn''t seem to be--- you are still NOT getting a good deal. You want an EGL Israel cert? You can get them cheap anywhere.

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 9/8/2008 9:54:02 AM
Author: elle_chris
If I were the dealer, I''d walk away laughing at anyone spending almost 20k on my 2.02 F, SI2 graded by EGL.
Regardless if they bought it at a B&M, online or Ebay.
That''s double what the going rate is for that stone.

BKDJ- This is a diamond learning site. I take it you''ve spent enough time here and learned something, so I just don''t get it?
I mean c''mon, you''re obviously NOT getting a deal. In fact, this is such a blatant rip off I''m amazed you''re considering it.

Exactly, there is No common sense rhyme or reason, which basically leaves me personally with *whats fishy here??"..

 

[Ellen]

Date: 9/8/2008 10:35:14 AM
Author: arjunajane

Date: 9/8/2008 9:54:02 AM
Author: elle_chris
If I were the dealer, I''d walk away laughing at anyone spending almost 20k on my 2.02 F, SI2 graded by EGL.
Regardless if they bought it at a B&M, online or Ebay.
That''s double what the going rate is for that stone.

BKDJ- This is a diamond learning site. I take it you''ve spent enough time here and learned something, so I just don''t get it?
I mean c''mon, you''re obviously NOT getting a deal. In fact, this is such a blatant rip off I''m amazed you''re considering it.

Exactly, there is No common sense rhyme or reason, which basically leaves me personally with *whats fishy here??''..

Uh huh.

 

[:)]

Date: 9/8/2008 10:43:30 AM
Author: Ellen

Date: 9/8/2008 10:35:14 AM
Author: arjunajane

Date: 9/8/2008 9:54:02 AM
Author: elle_chris
If I were the dealer, I''d walk away laughing at anyone spending almost 20k on my 2.02 F, SI2 graded by EGL.
Regardless if they bought it at a B&M, online or Ebay.
That''s double what the going rate is for that stone.

BKDJ- This is a diamond learning site. I take it you''ve spent enough time here and learned something, so I just don''t get it?
I mean c''mon, you''re obviously NOT getting a deal. In fact, this is such a blatant rip off I''m amazed you''re considering it.

Exactly, there is No common sense rhyme or reason, which basically leaves me personally with *whats fishy here??''..

Uh huh.

Three huh.

 

[BKDJ]

Date: 9/8/2008 3:40:25 PM
Author:

Date: 9/8/2008 10:43:30 AM

Author: Ellen

Date: 9/8/2008 10:35:14 AM

Author: arjunajane

Date: 9/8/2008 9:54:02 AM

Author: elle_chris

If I were the dealer, I''d walk away laughing at anyone spending almost 20k on my 2.02 F, SI2 graded by EGL.

Regardless if they bought it at a B&M, online or Ebay.

That''s double what the going rate is for that stone.


BKDJ- This is a diamond learning site. I take it you''ve spent enough time here and learned something, so I just don''t get it?

I mean c''mon, you''re obviously NOT getting a deal. In fact, this is such a blatant rip off I''m amazed you''re considering it.

Exactly, there is No common sense rhyme or reason, which basically leaves me personally with *whats fishy here??''..

Uh huh.

Three huh.

mom aint raised no dummy
ill be heading to that seller in a few hours, ill also be shopping around in the area.
one thing thats throwing me off with all the opinions here is that some of you dont seem to be factoring in the fact that its a triple excellent with supposed perfect hearts and arrows............ ill be shopping around and taking pics for all to enjoy! I will consult with all of you after i take some pics and work out a final price

love2all
Anthony

 

[arjunajane]

Do you plan on making the sale final upon an Independent appraisal? If you can find a reputable one in that area (not a "friend" of the seller), at least this will give you some security.
good luck !

 

[BKDJ]

Date: 9/9/2008 6:19:21 AM
Author: arjunajane
Do you plan on making the sale final upon an Independent appraisal? If you can find a reputable one in that area (not a ''friend'' of the seller), at least this will give you some security.

good luck !

I consider a "friend of the seller".... THE SELLER!
I already know more or less the prices, I got the newest rap with me along with expected % increases/decreases for specific qualities I left a lot of good friends behind on 47th st in NYC, so at around 5pm when ill be meeting with them, ill be on the phone with some of MY FRIENDS in nyc who are just waking up!

PRAY FOR ME! hehe

-Anthony

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 9/9/2008 5:52:34 AM
Author: BKDJ

its a triple excellent

An EGL Israel triple excellent

WOW
That is really impressive

I wonder if the SI2 is anything like the one I bought with EGL Israel paper that GIA and AGS graded as I1?
And the colour dropped from H to J.

You are trying very hard BKDJ, but you might have underestimated the fools

 

[BKDJ]

Date: 9/9/2008 8:05:03 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 9/9/2008 5:52:34 AM

Author: BKDJ


its a triple excellent

An EGL Israel triple excellent


WOW

That is really impressive


I wonder if the SI2 is anything like the one I bought with EGL Israel paper that GIA and AGS graded as I1?

And the colour dropped from H to J.


You are trying very hard BKDJ, but you might have underestimated the fools

Garry, if anybody knows.... its YOU!
I am going to meet up with them very soon, can I send you pictures that I will take there so you can analyze them? (maybe I can send you a text message with the pics while im there?!?!?!)

Thanks abunch!
Anthony

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 9/9/2008 6:50:18 AM
Author: BKDJ

Date: 9/9/2008 6:19:21 AM
Author: arjunajane
Do you plan on making the sale final upon an Independent appraisal? If you can find a reputable one in that area (not a ''friend'' of the seller), at least this will give you some security.

good luck !

I consider a ''friend of the seller''.... THE SELLER!
I already know more or less the prices, I got the newest rap with me along with expected % increases/decreases for specific qualities I left a lot of good friends behind on 47th st in NYC, so at around 5pm when ill be meeting with them, ill be on the phone with some of MY FRIENDS in nyc who are just waking up!

PRAY FOR ME! hehe

-Anthony

I really have to ask, how can one evaluate a diamond over the phone?

have you had your meeting yet Anthony?

 

[BKDJ]

OK GUYS! I put deposit on it while I am checking out some other people in the area, HONESTLY........ I FELL IN LOVE WITH IT! it was hard for me to take a clear picture because it was just...... FIRE!!!!!!!! CHECK IT OUT!

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[BKDJ]

ANOTHER PIC

 

[BKDJ]

ANOTHER

 

[BKDJ]

MORE!

 

[BKDJ]

te:[/b] 9/9/2008 9:26:07 PM
Author: arjunajane
I really have to ask, how can one evaluate a diamond over the phone?

have you had your meeting yet Anthony?

[/quote]


Had the meeting! went well, THESE GUYS ARE LEGIT, i saw over 100 diamonds, i was there for like 4 hours.

Jane, I have the LG Viewty phone which has a 5 m.p. camera, wi-fi, and video conferencing, so if I am ever in a jam, I can make a video call and zoom in to show details I COME PREPARED!

-Anthony

 

[dcdiamond]

i looked at an egl israel D sI2 for $11,125 at a b&m didnt compare to a GIA G Si2 egl is weak on color and clarity, bad buy

 

[purrfectpear]

Looks quite tinted for an F ?

Could be your pictures.

 

[AprilBaby]

Strange post. I wouldn''t do it for anything. Good luck cause I think you will need it.

 

[dragonfly411]

I have to be completely honest. I have purchased gemstones on ebay and am ok with it. But I honestly don''t think I could EVER purchase a diamond from there, far too many risks.

 

[Rhea]

I don''t understand this thead. You''re not listening to people who have told you:
you can get the same thing cheaper elsewhere
with a longer inspection period
and that has a better cetificate than EGL Israel

You just keep telling us to wish you luck and getting impatient about buying it now. Great, you can conference call and take fancy photos, but did you bring a loupe, natural light, and oh, I don''t know, a good independant apraiser?

 

[elle_chris]

Trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but nothing makes sense.

So, I''ll say it. Either you''re the dealer or a friend of, because there is just no way that anyone would not only pay 19.5k for an EGL Israel F, SI2 (even if it is hearts and arrows) plus fly out to another country to view it.
At least not anyone that spent anytime on Pricescope. In fact, most people wouldn''t even if they''ve NEVER heard of Pricescope.

Wish the mods would close this thread as we can all predict what happens next. He gets a deal for less than 19.5k, he takes it back to Spain, gets it appraised, it checks out and is even an SI1, and all''s right in the land of Ebay and EGL.
This is someone that''s just trying to influence readers on how it''s ok to spend large sums on ebay diamonds with EGL certs.

I''ve never accused anyone of anything on here. Even when reading some crazy posts in the past. But this?? omg, it defies all logic and reason.