Help!! Asscher advice

[kmci]

Hi all, I''ve ben lurking for a while now, and think I''ve possibly read every post relating to Asscher''s, and the time has come to start actually looking. I''ve found a stone that I like the look of (wide windmills, big corners), but the depth is only 64%, is this an issue?? Thanks for ANY advice.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 10/1/2008 6:17:11 AM
Author:kmci
Hi all, I''ve ben lurking for a while now, and think I''ve possibly read every post relating to Asscher''s, and the time has come to start actually looking. I''ve found a stone that I like the look of (wide windmills, big corners), but the depth is only 64%, is this an issue?? Thanks for ANY advice.

Welcome!

you will need to post any images and pics or links that you have in order to get assistance with this diamond.

 

[kmci]

Ok, here is the IS

 

[kmci]

and here is the ASET

 

[kmci]

Any hints on shrinking the file size, I think the last one will be too big???

 

[kmci]

Fixed it, here it is

 

[Lorelei]

Well done, hang tight till strm comes along and can take a look for you!

 

[strmrdr]

table and crown height?
I love it so far.

 

[kmci]

Thanks so much, that makes me feel like I have absorbed something from the endless hours of research!!
Table: 62, Crown: 12, is there anything else you need to know??

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

I think the center will not be stella, but the spokes and the outer areas will be very good

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 10/1/2008 5:49:13 PM
Author: kmci
Thanks so much, that makes me feel like I have absorbed something from the endless hours of research!!

Table: 62, Crown: 12, is there anything else you need to know??

sounds good to me.
I would consider it, should have nice spread and look kicken on the finger.

 

[kmci]

Can you elaborate for me please Garry, keeping in mind I''m learning

 

[kmci]

Yeah, spread seems really good, is this due to the depth???

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 10/1/2008 5:56:51 PM
Author: kmci
Can you elaborate for me please Garry, keeping in mind I'm learning

1: its drop style.
2: ASET and IS disagree on center brightness.
The picture tilts it towards the IS being right.
At 8 inches it might be a little dark but on the finger it should be kicken.
As long as there is a return policy if you don't love it I say go for it.
Who is the vendor?

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 10/1/2008 6:00:09 PM
Author: kmci
Yeah, spread seems really good, is this due to the depth???

depth, how the pavilion is cut and table size(CH which is related most times) are the 3 biggest factors in spread.
It doesn''t look like it has a serious bulging pavilion syndrome and the depth is good so spread should be good and a little better than average.

 

[strmrdr]

Whats the weight and mm size? im curious now.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 10/1/2008 6:02:46 PM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 10/1/2008 5:56:51 PM
Author: kmci
Can you elaborate for me please Garry, keeping in mind I''m learning

1: its drop style.
2: ASET and IS disagree on center brightness.
The picture tilts it towards the IS being right.
At 8 inches it might be a little dark but on the finger it should be kicken.
As long as there is a return policy if you don''t love it I say go for it.
Who is the vendor?

I disagree Storm.
kmci the IS darkness = the ASET blue = light blocked from the observers head.
The pale leakage in ideal-scope = the black in ASET.
When you have leakage and head obstruction side by side you will often see a large dark zone.

Storm I see no evidence to suggest this is close to a 25 - 30 degree zone which would be saved by viewing from say 14 inches.

If we had a 3D scan gem file diamcalc or .srn file etc then we can make a better assesment. But based on what we have seen I would not rule it out, but not stop looking.

Size in this case would not be an issue for me.

 

[strmrdr]

drop asschers have dark zones it is what makes them kewl.
The contrast between the center and the windmills POP in contrast to the darkness.
I do agree about size however over 2.0ct or so I like the other styles a little better but some people love 3ct drops.

 

[strmrdr]

here it is blown up to insano size.
What Garry is noticing is pointed to in blue.
Black next to partial leakage. I don''t agree that its an issue.

My opinion is as long as the center has good brightness and strong windmills then its a kicken drop style.
The center has some small areas of leakage/obstruction(green arrow) but that will blend nicely and contrast with the area pointed to with the blue arrow and it will POP.

 

[strmrdr]

The green arrow is pointing to the same general area as the blue above, notice how the part showing obstruction in the IS is now lit up and the part showing leakage is now showing obstruction and light return with slight tilt.
Tilt it some more and the area that is showing leakage will light up and the obstruction area will be providing the contrast.

This is one area that Garry and I disagree, to me contrast is contrast and it changes with tilt.

 

[strmrdr]

The area I was concerned about going dark close and reducing center brightness is actually this part of the center square right here under the arrow head....

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Storm I found a similar stone (maybe even better) from a suppliers site, one that I would reject for the reasons discussed.
Note the DiamCalc dark zone calc for the table region.
I also showed the stone rotated a little - the center stays dark almost all the time in a movie.

 

[kmci]

Wow, thanks so much for all the help.
It is 1.01, measures 5.7x5.7, with a price that comes in way under budget.
I fell in love the first time I saw the image, but with a response of "is that all??" when I told by boyfriend the price, I'm beginning to wonder if I should hold off and look for something bigger, although most of the stones with a bigger carat weight I've found seem to have less spread.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 10/2/2008 6:52:37 AM
Author: kmci
Wow, thanks so much for all the help.
It is 1.01, measures 5.7x5.7, with a price that comes in way under budget.
I fell in love the first time I saw the image, but with a response of ''is that all??'' when I told by boyfriend the price, I''m beginning to wonder if I should hold off and look for something bigger, although most of the stones with a bigger carat weight I''ve found seem to have less spread.

The smallest asscher I will stock is 0.90ct.
The smallest I would choose to stock is 1.5ct

Search and find

 

[kmci]

But what kind of price would I expect to pay for a 1.5ct??? I''m thinking that that would be way over budget!!

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 10/2/2008 7:27:13 AM
Author: kmci
But what kind of price would I expect to pay for a 1.5ct??? I''m thinking that that would be way over budget!!

Sorry, I do diamonds, not money.
You need to see somone on wall street for money.

(Funny thing - in the great depression the bankers and brokers lept from tall buildings. Today they are in the bahamas)

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 10/2/2008 3:58:06 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
Storm I found a similar stone (maybe even better) from a suppliers site, one that I would reject for the reasons discussed.

Note the DiamCalc dark zone calc for the table region.

I also showed the stone rotated a little - the center stays dark almost all the time in a movie.

Your example does have some issues but the one under discussion here don''t have that problem.
There is red center in the ASET as well as strong return in IS.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 10/2/2008 7:27:13 AM
Author: kmci
But what kind of price would I expect to pay for a 1.5ct??? I''m thinking that that would be way over budget!!

$9k min. for a good one and they are rare as hens teeth right now in that size with decent cut.
There are hundreds of people that came through PS that got 1ct asschers and love them.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 10/2/2008 8:24:03 AM
Author: strmrdr

Your example does have some issues but the one under discussion here don''t have that problem.
There is red center in the ASET as well as strong return in IS.

The center is about 0.7mm or 0.8mm surrounded by a dark zone.
Itt would need to be much larger Storm, to make a difference.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 10/2/2008 8:45:33 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 10/2/2008 8:24:03 AM

Author: strmrdr


Your example does have some issues but the one under discussion here don't have that problem.

There is red center in the ASET as well as strong return in IS.

The center is about 0.7mm or 0.8mm surrounded by a dark zone.

Itt would need to be much larger Storm, to make a difference.

Garry we are not going to agree on this one.
I think we both presented our case.
I would view this stone in person for a final decision.
All of the information I am seeing is pointing to it being a kicken drop style asscher so I would take that step.
I asked above who the vendor is because if its one of the vendors that knows asschers then the OP needs to talk to the vendor about this.