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Help 100% natural diamond 0.80 carat budget from 2000-2300$

mia_olga

mia_olga

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Hello, I'm searching for a loose diamond for my engagement ring.
The diamond must be large 0.80 carat (0.75 accept if it really super).
I could spend 2000-2300$ max. I have to buy it online. Also because then I have to pay taxes because we are Italian.

Color: I it's ok I think (naked eye does not see much difference)
Clarity: Not less than VS2
Cut: Excellent

I have found http://www.diamonddealfinder.com/ with good prices..
Please help me, I want it nice and shiny!
 
Re: Help 100% natural diamond 0.80 carat budget from 2000-23

I found 1 I VS stone on Blue Nile in your budget that squeaks in with crown and pav angles in Ideal parameter though it is a touch deep (James Allen is down for me right now....)

https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD08308033


There are a lot more choices if you can go down to I Si, or drop one more color grade to J VS. The BG Blue J stone listed is a great deal and faces up at almost 6mm. I've had a BG Blue I with medium fluorescence (faced up whiter than an H) and I currently have a BG Blue K with medium fluorescence and it faces up whiter than my J studs. The fluor does help and all his Blue line are chosen by him and pre-screened to make sure the fluor has no ill effects.

Here's a BG I Si1, just at the top of your budget:

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.763-i-si1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104092069021

Here is another on Blue Nile, in budget, a tad smaller than you want but I VS with nice numbers and an actual image of the stone you would be buying.

https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD08112583?click_id=409936847

Here's one from USA certed diamonds (in Canada???). I know nothing about them but you may be able to write and ask for an ideascope image.

http://diamonddealfinder.com/enquiry.php?id_field=5827983
 
Re: Help 100% natural diamond 0.80 carat budget from 2000-23

istase2000|1488401475|4135295 said:
I think this is such a good deal for a super ideal diamond! I would buy it if I was in the market for another ring. And the fluorescence well help it look whiter in some lighting. Faces up pretty much like an 0.8 carat. Put it on hold if you are interested.

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.785-j-vs2-round-diamond-ags-bl-104092069018
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Nice stone if you don't mind the J color with fluor.
 
Re: Help 100% natural diamond 0.80 carat budget from 2000-23

Thank you, it seems very beautiful, but I don't wont this effect with sun
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Re: Help 100% natural diamond 0.80 carat budget from 2000-23

You do not need to worry as Brian Gavin Blue diamonds are not negatively affected at all by fluorescence and will not appear cloudy like that photo. They are a very good vendor, you can confirm with them if you are not sure. The cut for this stone is super ideal and will sparkle like crazy. :love:

You can have a read here:
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamond/brian-gavins-blue-diamonds-with-fluorescence/
 
Re: Help 100% natural diamond 0.80 carat budget from 2000-23

The Blue line is definitely a different look. It will not look cloudy but it will look different in different lighting. Watch their videos. But you seriously cannot get a better diamond than a Brian Gavin. We're talking top 1% of all cutting for a very reasonable price.
 
Re: Help 100% natural diamond 0.80 carat budget from 2000-23

mia_olga|1488445769|4135471 said:
Thank you, it seems very beautiful, but I don't wont this effect with sun
clear-diamond.png
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All Brian gavin Blue stones are pre screened to make sure there are no bad effects from the fluor. It's actually very rare for fluor to have a negative effect.
 
Re: Help 100% natural diamond 0.80 carat budget from 2000-23

No, it is not so good.
 
Re: Help 100% natural diamond 0.80 carat budget from 2000-23

Stick with GIA / AGS certificates.

I searched on james allen and there was not a single stone over 0.75 carats that matched your budget and criteria.

I did find one on B2Cjewels, you could ask them for idealscope etc. But it also has strong fluorescence

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/9068187/0-82-carat-round-diamond-i-color-vs2-clarity

My personal choice would be the BG blue- as Christine said, top 1% of diamond cutting for a very reasonable price.
 
Re: Help 100% natural diamond 0.80 carat budget from 2000-23

mia_olga|1488445769|4135471 said:
Thank you, it seems very beautiful, but I don't wont this effect with sun
clear-diamond.png
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Just want to make sure you know that this picture is not really representative of what ANY diamond looks like out in full sun....they go dark generally (showing fire, not brilliance).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9eVBFjpFVI
 
Re: Help 100% natural diamond 0.80 carat budget from 2000-23

Hello!
I almost chose the diamond!
It is 0.70 carat, I color, VS1-VS2 clarity, Excellent Cut, Polish and Symmetry are excellent, depth and table are normal. So, in GIA certificate I saw in various diamonds inclusions:

Option A)Feather, Crystal
Option B)Crystal, Cloud, Pinpoint
Option C)Cloud, Internal Graining, Manufacturing Remnant
Option D)Cloud, Feather, Indented Natural, Needle

What is the worst option? What is the best option?

Thank you!
 
Re: Help 100% natural diamond 0.80 carat budget from 2000-23

mia_olga|1488542977|4135908 said:
Hello!
I almost chose the diamond!
It is 0.70 carat, I color, VS1-VS2 clarity, Excellent Cut, Polish and Symmetry are excellent, depth and table are normal. So, in GIA certificate I saw in various diamonds inclusions:

Option A)Feather, Crystal
Option B)Crystal, Cloud, Pinpoint
Option C)Cloud, Internal Graining, Manufacturing Remnant
Option D)Cloud, Feather, Indented Natural, Needle

What is the worst option? What is the best option?

Thank you!
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Need more information about placement of the inclusions. Can you post GIA certificate numbers?
 
Re: Help 100% natural diamond 0.80 carat budget from 2000-23

mia_olga|1488550191|4135935 said:
This is GIA for one of my favorite
http://media.b2cjewels.com/certificate/8780572.pdf
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The crown angle (36) is too high on that one and it will probably have leakage. So if you want a diamond that is sparkly, you need one that is well cut so it doesn't have areas where light is not reflected back at you (leakage). Diamonds are basically mirrors, and you want the light reflected back to you.So the quality of the cut is the most important factor in having it sparkle. Not color, and not clarity. if you ask B2C for an idealscope image, it will probably show leakage because it is a steep crown angle and is also deep with 62.6 depth.

The crown angle should be between 34-35

pavilion 40.6-41

table 54-58

depth 60-62.3
 
Re: Help 100% natural diamond 0.80 carat budget from 2000-23

The last one seems slightly promising, but I would take any BGD stone over these any day of the week. I really like the I color hat was suggested earlier - http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.763-i-si1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104092069021.. I have two stones from them and I am in the process of upgrading. All of the stones I selected have blue fluoro because when there are nonnegative effects (and all bgd blue stones have been vetted for negative effects) the impact is actually an enhanced appearance as the stones will appear whiter when exposed to UV light. Otherwise, if you really don't want flouro this WF stone is a great alternative - http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3802454.htm.. Lastly, if you don't care about perfect H&A and just want a well-performing GIA graded diamond, I would contact IDJewelry - they are fantastic about finding good diamonds on budget. I have helped many friends purchase great stones/e-rings from them!
 
Re: Help 100% natural diamond 0.80 carat budget from 2000-23

The last one seems slightly promising, but I would take any BGD stone over these any day of the week. I really like the I color that was suggested earlier - http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.763-i-si1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104092069021... I have two stones from them and I am in the process of upgrading. All of the stones I selected for my upgrade have blue fluoro because when there are no negative effects (and all bgd blue stones have been vetted for negative effects) the impact is actually an enhanced appearance as the stones will appear whiter when exposed to UV light. Otherwise, if you really don't want fluoro, this WF stone is a great alternative - http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3802454.htm... Lastly, if you don't care about perfect H&A and just want a well-performing GIA graded diamond, I would contact IDJewelry - they are fantastic about finding good diamonds on budget. I have helped many friends purchase great stones/e-rings from them!
 
Re: Help 100% natural diamond 0.80 carat budget from 2000-23

Hello!
Zoara don't provide any other photo, but some products have some more info.

I like this one
2_264.jpg
Link: http://www.zoara.com/diamonds/p_round_excellent_cut_i_vs2?s_text=D7237914#?p=7237914

Carat: 0.70
Color: I
Clarity: VS2
Cut, Polish, Symmetry: Excellent
Measurements: 3.54x5.64x5.68
Depth: 62.5%
Table 57%
Crown Angle: 35.5 (yes, byt it seems beauty Hearts And Arrow, isn't it??)

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Or this one:
http://www.zoara.com/diamonds/p_round_excellent_cut_i_vs1?s_text=D6762191#?p=6762191
I think is a real photo. This diamond was suggested by the operators of chat Zoara.
(Here table is a little large anche depth a little small, angle is small)


This one
http://www.zoara.com/diamonds/p_round_excellent_cut_i_vs2?s_text=D7625669#?p=7625669
is not ideal Heart and Arrows, but Table, Crown Angle and depth are ok.

I would like to purchase on zoana
Help me please.
 
Re: Help 100% natural diamond 0.80 carat budget from 2000-23

mia_olga|1489045567|4138317 said:
Hello!
Zoara don't provide any other photo, but some products have some more info.

I like this one
2_264.jpg
Link: http://www.zoara.com/diamonds/p_round_excellent_cut_i_vs2?s_text=D7237914#?p=7237914

Carat: 0.70
Color: I
Clarity: VS2
Cut, Polish, Symmetry: Excellent
Measurements: 3.54x5.64x5.68
Depth: 62.5%
Table 57%
Crown Angle: 35.5 (yes, byt it seems beauty Hearts And Arrow, isn't it??)

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Or this one:
http://www.zoara.com/diamonds/p_round_excellent_cut_i_vs1?s_text=D6762191#?p=6762191
I think is a real photo. This diamond was suggested by the operators of chat Zoara.
(Here table is a little large anche depth a little small, angle is small)


This one
http://www.zoara.com/diamonds/p_round_excellent_cut_i_vs2?s_text=D7625669#?p=7625669
is not ideal Heart and Arrows, but Table, Crown Angle and depth are ok.

I would like to purchase on zoana
Help me please.
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The third one has the best proportions out of the 3 listed. Hearts and Arrows measures facet symmetry. Hearts and Arrows does not measure light performance. The third one has better cut proportions than the first one, even though it does not have hearts/arrows symmetry. If I had to buy totally blind like this, I'd probably go for the third one.
 
Re: Help 100% natural diamond 0.80 carat budget from 2000-23

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AGS-CERTIFIED-71CT-H-VS2-Round-Diamond-Ring-Same-Company-Hearts-on-Fire-uses-/222410577819?hash=item33c8b4179b:g:BXcAAOxyW7tRfvj-

I know you have other diamonds your looking at but I usually hunt estate pieces. I found this set, lower in clarity than you want but still looks nice
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Awesome-1-65-ct-Hearts-Arrows-Diamond-Solitaire-Ring-Set-14K-WG-/222432120317?hash=item33c9fccdfd:g:WQwAAOSwKfVXFDI6

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GIA-CERTIFIED-3-4-CARAT-EXCELLENT-CUT-H-VS1-ROUND-BRILLIANT-DIAMOND-IDEAL-0-75-/152464243357?hash=item237f93ba9d:g:nl4AAOSwuxFYv1qJ

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AGS-CERTIFIED-67CT-H-VS1-Round-Diamond-Ring-Same-Company-Hearts-on-Fire-uses-/222410577818?hash=item33c8b4179a:g:~vYAAMXQ1PNRcMbr

I didn't run any numbers on the certs and I know some of the specs don't match but figured couldn't hurt to link you.

You can't go wrong with a brian gavin diamond. I have met them in person and seen their work while living in Houston and their stuff is top notch.

If your willing to go with an antique diamond, more options are there in your budget/size/etc
http://www.jewelsbygrace.com/loose-diamonds/under-1-ct/70ct-old-european-cut-diamond-gia-h-vs1-1095#.WMFuy9QrLGg
One of these would personally would be my choice :) I have owned an I ideal cut diamond, a J ideal cut diamond, an H near ideal cut diamond and an N ideal cut diamond and all of them were beautiful and I couldn't tell the difference between the J and the H or the I.

http://www.jewelsbygrace.com/loose-diamonds/under-1-ct/85ct-old-european-cut-diamond-gia-j-vs2#.WMFu9dQrLGg


http://www.jewelsbygrace.com/loose-diamonds/under-1-ct/85ct-old-european-cut-diamond-gia-j-vs2-1102#.WMFvF9QrLGg


I know this isn't as big as you wanted but I have admired this ring for ages
https://loupetroop.com/listings/rings-natural-diamond-center/dot-66ct-d-vs1-gia-oec-diamond-14k-wg-ring

If you don't like this setting this ideal diamond meets your specs and you can see if the seller will seperate
https://loupetroop.com/listings/rings-natural-diamond-center/0-dot-74ct-d-si1-ideal-cut-rb-in-white-gold-romance-setting-size-5-dot-5
 
Re: Help 100% natural diamond 0.80 carat budget from 2000-23

What proportionals I have to consider?
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Re: Help 100% natural diamond 0.80 carat budget from 2000-23

This One

Carat: 0.70
Color: I
Clarity: VS2
Cut, Symmetry, Polish: Excellent
Table: 58%
Crown Angle: 35.5
Depth: 61.5%
Culet: None
Measurements: 5.67 - 5.72x3.50
GIA 5243962037

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Price is 2027$

After fee and tax calcs, I realize that we can spend no more than 2000$ because there are many of tax for Italy.
 
Re: Help 100% natural diamond 0.80 carat budget from 2000-23

mia_olga|1489072331|4138401 said:
What proportionals I have to consider?
perfect-diamond-proportions_0.png
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crown angle- 34-35 *****your first pick is 35.5**** <<<<<
pavilion angle- 40.6-41
depth- 60-62.3 ****** your first pick is 62.5**** <<<<<<
table- 54-58


It seems like only a little bit of a percent but without being able to have an aset or idealscope, and not knowing if it had leakage, I'd stay strictly in the numbers, like the 3rd choice in your set. But, it's your cash and your decision. I only say what I would do in your place if I had to buy with no other information but numbers. The red and white arrows image is not showing you light performance. It is showing you symmetry on a object about this size in real life: O

You are unlikely to see the minor symmetry variation at that size, but you WOULD see any leakage....
 
Re: Help 100% natural diamond 0.80 carat budget from 2000-23

Depth is ok, untill 62.5 on the table isn't true?
Yes, angle il 35.5 and not 35
But I have those images, are real.
 
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