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PattyCo

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I am a long time lurker coming out of the woodwork for a very good reason...my son wants to get engaged(sniff)! I am one PROUD momma...

He asked for my help with finding a setting with pink diamonds in it, and no halo. I, in turn, am asking for help from the best eagle-eyed diamond hunters I know!

He wants to put a Hezberg brand round or square diamond in it. As far as budget, he hasn't mentioned any...bad, I know... So I am going to suggest one...$1,000...is that unreasonable? He's a college student.

I am very open to all suggestions on settings, and any other diamond teaching we may need in this whole wonderful process!



Thanks so much!


Warm regards,
PattyCo
 
PattyCo|1333157771|3160334 said:
I am a long time lurker coming out of the woodwork for a very good reason...my son wants to get engaged(sniff)! I am one PROUD momma...

He asked for my help with finding a setting with pink diamonds in it, and no halo. I, in turn, am asking for help from the best eagle-eyed diamond hunters I know!

He wants to put a Hezberg brand round or square diamond in it. As far as budget, he hasn't mentioned any...bad, I know... So I am going to suggest one...$1,000...is that unreasonable? He's a college student.

I am very open to all suggestions on settings, and any other diamond teaching we may need in this whole wonderful process!



Thanks so much!
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No, I'm sorry. That's not a reasonable budget at all. Not for something with pink diamonds in it AND a Helzberg round. Why Helzberg of all places?

I'm going to suggest tableing the pink diamonds, and maybe get them in her wedding band.

Here's a nice ring from a decent seller an in budget with a Helzberg diamond that looks like a nice deal: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-00-tcw-Round-GIA-H-SI1-3X-18K-White-Gold-Helzberg-Masterpiece-Diamond-Ring-/330698888886?pt=Diamond_Solitaire_with_Accents&hash=item4cff3096b6 I'd offer 1400 and be okay with buying it at 1700ish if that doesn't work.

You can also take out the larger sidestones locally and have them replaced with pink sapphires if he has to have pink. That might be possible for under 2200.

If he is willing to let go of the Helzberg thing and consider pink sapphires instead of diamonds we can suggest alternative. But his requirements are making anything with the words "budget" impossible and unrealistic.

For under a 1000 here is this option: http://www.ebay.com/itm/18K-White-Gold-GIA-Certified-Diamond-Engagement-Ring-HELZBERG-MASTERPIECE-/220987710297?pt=Diamond_Solitaire_with_Accents&hash=item3373e4db59 Again he could have the sidestones replaced with pink sapphires for 200 or so bucks locally.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Helzberg-Diamond-Ring-1ct-14K-White-Gold-3-Stone-Past-Present-Future-Size-7-/260992215766?pt=US_Fine_Rings&hash=item3cc4592ad6 Same thing. See about getting head on shots of that center. And replace the sidestones with pink sapphires.


Warm regards,
PattyCo[/quote]
 
Hi Gypsy! Thank you so much for replying :) !

I do realize that "pink diamonds" and "budget" don't mix, LOL! Being in love, my son has high hopes. :). His girlfriends' favorite color is pink, and diamonds are a "Girls' best friend", so that is why he is looking for a setting with pink diamonds. He is looking for a setting that he can take to Helzberg and have them put in one of their specialty diamonds, round or square. (Do you hear his terminology? Round or square?) I know it would be better if he simplly found the best cut diamond without a name brand on it, but he is impressed by the Helzberg one.

The last one you suggested is simply devine! I will show it to him. As you say, having the side diamonds changed out for pink saphires can easily be done.

I'm still going to be looking for suggestions!


Warm regards,
PattyCo
 
Call Yekutiel at ID and tell him Gypsy said "HELP PLEASE!" ... he has a lot of settings in stock that might work with a modest center stone and pink sapphire sides.

I would be scared to buy a setting without a center though. Can we do it the other way around?
 
If he's a college student. I would feel remiss if I didn't say that he would be best served to buy a pink sapphire center stone and a simple setting with some diamonds in it. [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/forum/preloved-ps-jewels/platinum-whiteflash-three-stone-w-prong-mount-t173504.html']https://www.pricescope.com/forum/preloved-ps-jewels/platinum-whiteflash-three-stone-w-prong-mount-t173504.html[/URL] This with a beautiful pink sapphire center and white diamonds (from Helzberg if he must) would be a KNOCKOUT.

Or call and ask about this (ask for Julian and tell him PS sent you): http://www.pearlmansjewelers.com/jewelry-designers/pearlmans-collection/rings/45EE1/

Or this for her: http://www.pearlmansjewelers.com/jewelry-designers/pearlmans-collection/rings/60EE1/



The Royal Family gets engaged with sapphires, why not your son?
 
Hi again, Gypsy.

I am working on him to give saphires a chance as side stones. He just started looking and is still pretty optimistic that a setting with pink diamonds is out there somewhere. So that is why I am asking for suggestions for settings with pink diamonds.

I am also trying to talk to him about buying a well cut diamond first, then the setting.

He hasn't actually given me a budget, I just put the $1,000 out there as a starting point for searching.

Thank you for suggesting ID Jewelry. In my many years of lurking I have seen really, really beautiful rings that PS'ers have bought from them. His sister has shown him Diamonds by Lauren and I have looked at Whiteflash and Brian Gavin.


Warm regards,
PattyCo
 
Gypsy, your suggested settings and rings are beautiful. I will show them to him :) . His wonderful girlfriend is over right now so I can't show him right now.

I really truly appreciat all the suggestions. She is his first ever girlfriend and I am just so proud that he chose so well. She is such a sweetheart that I can understand his wanting to a spoil her.


Thanks again,
Warm regards,
PattyCo
 
Call Pearlmans and chat with Julian too. Doesn't hurt. And Bill has a ton of stuff in his store that doesn't make it to the website.

BGD has beautiful stuff. If you talking about a significantly larger budget I'd urge you to give them a call and see what you can dream up for a custom project. But... I think you are going to be better off with a stock setting in terms of price.

For PINK... see if he will let go of the pink diamond idea in lieu of some yummy warm rose gold.
 
Just for the info, years ago I went to Helzberg and then I discovered Pricescope and found that Helzberg diamonds were extremely overpriced and I could get the same EXACT diamonds from other vendors for much less! Unfortunately, diamond prices have skyrocketed and it may serve him well to buy something second hand. I just think looking for Helzberg second hand is a mistake because they were overpriced to begin with!

One other suggestion. Pink doesn't go with everything, and I think a right hand ring would be a much better way to give her a pink stone. Stick to white diamonds for the e-ring. I think she would get tired of pink stones on an e-ring.

I'll look and see if I see any good buys.
 
Hearts on Fire is another brand of well cut diamonds like Helzberg Masterpiece:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hearts-On-Fire-solitare-insignia-engagement-ring-18k-white-gold-348-ct-diamond-/290690531478?pt=Diamond_Solitaire_Rings&hash=item43ae818096#ht_500wt_1169

This source carries (some like-new) genuine Tiffany rings and they have several with smaller diamonds (I have purchased a diamond pendant from them):

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hearts-On-Fire-solitare-insignia-engagement-ring-18k-white-gold-348-ct-diamond-/290690531478?pt=Diamond_Solitaire_Rings&hash=item43ae818096#ht_500wt_1169

This is a jeweler in Chicago that several of us have bought items from (and they have some antique rings if that might be of interest):

http://www.ebay.com/itm/EMERALD-CUT-DIAMOND-PRINCESS-3-STONE-ENGAGEMENT-RING-/170816201501?pt=Diamond_Three_Stone_Rings&hash=item27c570631d#ht_5579wt_922
 
Gypsy|1333165026|3160448 said:
Call Pearlmans and chat with Julian too. Doesn't hurt. And Bill has a ton of stuff in his store that doesn't make it to the website.

BGD has beautiful stuff. If you talking about a significantly larger budget I'd urge you to give them a call and see what you can dream up for a custom project. But... I think you are going to be better off with a stock setting in terms of price.

For PINK... see if he will let go of the pink diamond idea in lieu of some yummy warm rose gold.
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Thank you for suggesting these great sources. I am hesitant to call anyone untill I have a budget from my son. Untill then, stock settings are great. Perhaps seeing a lot of them with pink sapphires instead of pink diamonds will help him to be more open to the idea of sapphires. Rose gold is probably something that has not crossed his mind. I will mention it :D . Thank you again for a great idea!

Warm regards,
PattyCo
 
diamondseeker2006|1333168078|3160474 said:
Just for the info, years ago I went to Helzberg and then I discovered Pricescope and found that Helzberg diamonds were extremely overpriced and I could get the same EXACT diamonds from other vendors for much less! Unfortunately, diamond prices have skyrocketed and it may serve him well to buy something second hand. I just think looking for Helzberg second hand is a mistake because they were overpriced to begin with!

One other suggestion. Pink doesn't go with everything, and I think a right hand ring would be a much better way to give her a pink stone. Stick to white diamonds for the e-ring. I think she would get tired of pink stones on an e-ring.

I'll look and see if I see any good buys.
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I wish he would agree to a well cut diamond that is not anybody's "brand". He could get a larger, better cut, color, clarity...but...for now that is what he wants. I am working on informing him of other options out there in the engagement-ring-world. I think the setting suggestions in this thread will help me better to give him a wide example of beautiful engagement rings. So please keep the ideas coming :D !

I truly appreciate you looking to see if there are any good buys. In my lurking I have seen the amazing things Pricesopers have found.

Warm regards and humble thanks,
PattyCo
 
diamondseeker2006|1333169182|3160477 said:
Hearts on Fire is another brand of well cut diamonds like Helzberg Masterpiece:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hearts-On-Fire-solitare-insignia-engagement-ring-18k-white-gold-348-ct-diamond-/290690531478?pt=Diamond_Solitaire_Rings&hash=item43ae818096#ht_500wt_1169

This source carries (some like-new) genuine Tiffany rings and they have several with smaller diamonds (I have purchased a diamond pendant from them):

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hearts-On-Fire-solitare-insignia-engagement-ring-18k-white-gold-348-ct-diamond-/290690531478?pt=Diamond_Solitaire_Rings&hash=item43ae818096#ht_500wt_1169

This is a jeweler in Chicago that several of us have bought items from (and they have some antique rings if that might be of interest):

http://www.ebay.com/itm/EMERALD-CUT-DIAMOND-PRINCESS-3-STONE-ENGAGEMENT-RING-/170816201501?pt=Diamond_Three_Stone_Rings&hash=item27c570631d#ht_5579wt_922
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Through Pricescope I am familiar with Diamond Zone and have drooled over their rings :lickout: , LOL! Hhmmm...maybe I could get my son to pay me a finders fee...
 
diamondseeker2006|1333168078|3160474 said:
One other suggestion. Pink doesn't go with everything, and I think a right hand ring would be a much better way to give her a pink stone. Stick to white diamonds for the e-ring. I think she would get tired of pink stones on an e-ring.
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Respectfully disagree - I have a colored stone e-ring and like it much, much more than I would plain diamonds, which to me are boringly colorless. I am already tired of my sidestones and wish my fiancé had been as into the idea of a sapphire and ruby ring as I was (he thought diamonds were necessary). I know some other people with colored stones in their e-rings (including a woman with a lovely pink sapphire one) and they feel the same way. Matching isn't a consideration - do you always wear white when you wear your white diamonds? No? Then why should I worry about what colors I wear when I wear my e-ring? I don't, and neither does anyone else with a colored stone e-ring. If you're going to worry about matching colors, then she could never have jewelry in any different kinds of metals either, because her yellow gold wouldn't match her silver. If she would love a colored center stone or accent stones in her e-ring, then that is what she would love. (However I do think it is not clear that it is actually what she would love and not just an idea he has come up with without talking to her, which I do encourage him to do, especially seeing as how he has a tight budget for this and won't be able to change it if she doesn't like it. While many love colored stone e-rings, they are not for everyone. But diamond rings aren't for everyone either.)
 
lots of good advice so far. I do agree with DS though that he should someone be sure she wants pink in her e-ring. I love blue but still prefer an all white ring on my left hand. I do have a friend that has pink sapphires in her e-ring and loves it, but, she picked it out. If she specifically has said she wants pink I think it's great he wants to give it to her but if he's just going on "it's her favorite color" and wants to have it in the ring, I'd try to do a little more digging. He can also have pink sapphires added to the inside of the band as a special gesture for her.
 
mrssalvo|1333196845|3160565 said:
lots of good advice so far. I do agree with DS though that he should someone be sure she wants pink in her e-ring. I love blue but still prefer an all white ring on my left hand. I do have a friend that has pink sapphires in her e-ring and loves it, but, she picked it out. If she specifically has said she wants pink I think it's great he wants to give it to her but if he's just going on "it's her favorite color" and wants to have it in the ring, I'd try to do a little more digging. He can also have pink sapphires added to the inside of the band as a special gesture for her.
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Yes, I absolutely agree that if she has expressed that she wants pink stones for an e-ring, then of course, that is what he should buy! We just have a lot of guys come on here thinking that because a certain color is her favorite color that it would be good to have it in the engagement ring! If she has not expressed that, then I imagine like most women, she would be expecting a white diamond for an engagement ring. With prices the way they are, getting a plain solitaire with a diamond or an antique ring would get him the most for his money. (distracts, no need to take it so personally. If it was your preference to have a colored stone, then absolutely that is what you should have! I love blue sapphires and am getting a right hand sapphire ring made right now!)

As far as brand goes, Hearts on Fire is certainly a bigger brand name for finely cut stones than Helzberg Masterpiece (I think someone has done quite a sales job on him!). But the same quality for a lower price would be WhiteFlash A Cut Above or Good Old Gold's Signature Hearts and Arrows. Just to give you an example, when I went to Helzberg a few years ago, a .75 H VS diamond was $5000. I was looking for earring stones and didn't know what size I wanted, so I looked locally but bought online. The same diamond was $3000 at WhiteFlash!!! Equal in every way!!! So it is a major error to think that Helzberg's brand is better than anyone else's to quality hearts and arrows stones!

Here's an example of a branded stone that is equal or probably better than the ones he was looking at:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2728036.htm

Then you can get a simple solitaire for around $350. I'd put most of the budget toward the diamond. Then she can have input into whether she wants pink stones in her wedding band. Another idea....A pretty pendant with a pink stone might be pretty to wear in the wedding if she chooses pink for the bridesmaids!
 
I would call id and see if they could do a similar ring to this with a pink sapphire or spinel make sure you tell them you are from pricescope
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/my-red-spinel-two-diamond-pears-are-wed.171017/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/my-red-spinel-two-diamond-pears-are-wed.171017/[/URL]

If she loves pink it is a gorgeous look and if they decide later on down the road they would rather a diamond it would make a beautiful right hand ring as well.

http://idjewelryonline.com/index.php
 
Good morning everyone! I hope your Friday was fantastic :)! After his wonderful girlfriend went home last night I talked with my son about what his ideas for an engagement ring are(they have appearantly been looking). Here is what he said:

1. Pink diamonds OR pink Moissanite, no sapphires at all. (This is his idea.)

2. Helzberg Radiant Star of about .50 cts. (They both like the sparkle of the extra facets.) (I don't know which of them has the .50 idea.)

3. No halo. (Girlfriend doesn't like them.)

4. Budget...still not set...gathering info and ideas...

My reccommendations to him:

1. Consider pink sapphires because of wider selection and lower prices.

2. Consider an ideal cut diamond.

3. Ok, no halo.

4. Budget, set one and perhaps let her in on what it is so she will feel free to look a rings and make suggestions to him.

Thank you all for your wonderful suggestions. Please keep them coming and hopefully one of them will be the "One", LOL!


Warmest regards,
PattyCo


P.S. Should I ask this question about pink diamond settings in the Colored Stones forum?
 
Ok flat out pink diamonds, even tiny ones, are VERY expensive! They will add a lot of money to the cost of any setting and not every vendor will have access to them. You also have to make sure that they are NATURAL pink diamonds and not irradiated to be pink.

Another question, why on earth would they consider moissanite and not sapphire? Moisannite is man made and still quite expensive for what it is, sapphire is natural and you can even get pink sapphire that has no treatment at all.

They need to set a budget and educate themselves immensely before making a purchase. I would suggest your son post here himself so he can learn first hand.
 
Was the suggested budget of 1,000 for ye setting only or the entire ring?? If it for the entire ring- pink diamonds in a setting are going to cost over that alone...
 
Asscherhalo_lover|1333218889|3160717 said:
Ok flat out pink diamonds, even tiny ones, are VERY expensive! They will add a lot of money to the cost of any setting and not every vendor will have access to them. You also have to make sure that they are NATURAL pink diamonds and not irradiated to be pink.

Another question, why on earth would they consider moissanite and not sapphire? Moisannite is man made and still quite expensive for what it is, sapphire is natural and you can even get pink sapphire that has no treatment at all.

They need to set a budget and educate themselves immensely before making a purchase. I would suggest your son post here himself so he can learn first hand.
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that's what i'm thinking too... :confused:
 
It sounds like maybe your son needs more direction throughout this process than he thinks. Diamond purchases can be overwhelming and confusing, because there are so many options out there. Some options are better than others.

Once he figures out his budget then we can maybe guide him in the right direction so he can find a ring his girlfriend will be happy with for many years to come. He wants to add pink to the ring but do we know if she would like pink? A solitaire may be the best option for now. Then, maybe in the future he could buy her an anniversary band with pink sapphires.
 
Asscherhalo_lover|1333218889|3160717 said:
Ok flat out pink diamonds, even tiny ones, are VERY expensive! They will add a lot of money to the cost of any setting and not every vendor will have access to them. You also have to make sure that they are NATURAL pink diamonds and not irradiated to be pink.

Another question, why on earth would they consider moissanite and not sapphire? Moisannite is man made and still quite expensive for what it is, sapphire is natural and you can even get pink sapphire that has no treatment at all.

They need to set a budget and educate themselves immensely before making a purchase. I would suggest your son post here himself so he can learn first hand.
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Hi Asscherhalo_lover, I hear you about the expense of pink diamonds. He showed me Leibish(sp?) website that specialises in colored diamonds and they wanted + $1,000 for some that were less than .25. I suppose he is interested in the Moissonite is because it is similar(?) to diamonds, though lab created. I think pink sapphires are the way to go if he wants pink, so many more styles available and way WAY less expensive.

Warm regards,
PattyCo
 
Amys Bling|1333222398|3160752 said:
Was the suggested budget of 1,000 for ye setting only or the entire ring?? If it for the entire ring- pink diamonds in a setting are going to cost over that alone...
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The $1,000 was for a setting only. He wants a Helzgerg Radiant Star diamond, round or princess, of about .50 carots. The $1,000 was not an amount he specified. He hasn't given me any idea of a budget so I just threw out a number for starters. I am open to any suggestions.

I really appreciate everyones concern about my son and him making the best informed choice of an engagement ring. Thank you so much!


Warm regards,
PattyCo
 
I have not read all of the replies so I am not sure if this has been suggested but he could go with a solitaire for the engagement ring and get a pink sapphire/diamond band for the wedding band
 
Okay here are my thoughts.

First, have him OR her start posting on here if possible.

Second, Keeping working on him accepting the pink sapphire idea.

There is an other option with the pinks which I DO NOT RECOMMEND AT ALL (I want to make sure you got that) but there are some white diamonds that are COATED in pink film (it's permanent-ish, and you do have to take care of it). The reason I mention it is... perhaps someone showed him these and now he thinks pink diamonds are reasonable?

Third, the radiant star looks really busy to me. But... hoo kay. I'm not gonna touch that one. You only get engaged so many times (once for many people) so if they really love it, and want to pay it-- they are adults. I don't know of any cut that is the same with the busy flowery look.



If they have to have pink diamonds they are not going to find natural pinks affordable. But (and no we don't normally recommend this. In fact I have NEVER in my 20,000+ posts said this) irradiated pinks might be an option for them. I have NO CLUE where you can buy them from though I'm sure Yekutiel at ID can help you locate a few.


Information on diamond coloring enhancements: http://www.prismgem.com/diamond_coloring_service.html
 
Thank you Gypsy!

Would it help in the search if I took out the $1,000, just to see what pink diamond setting might be out there? Him seeing pink diamond settings, even with their large price tags, might help "open" his eyes to other stones, like sappires.

As always, I appreciate everyones input. You guys are the best!


Warm regards,
PattyCo
 
PattyCo|1333249344|3161007 said:
Thank you Gypsy!

Would it help in the search if I took out the $1,000, just to see what pink diamond setting might be out there? Him seeing pink diamond settings, even with their large price tags, might help "open" his eyes to other stones, like sappires.

As always, I appreciate everyones input. You guys are the best!


Warm regards,
PattyCo
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I don't know of any pink diamond settings sweetie. Most pink settings are pink sapphires. For good reason. I know that BGD did a channel set band with all pinks a while back and the price on it (I inquired) was UNFATHOMABLY expensive.

If you want a pink diamond setting you are going to need to go custom OR get a semi mount that doesn't have the melee set and specify the pink diamond melee (which will be priced at the then rate for the stones).

If I wanted a pink diamonds I would do two TINY TINY TINY (1 pointers) as surprise stones on either side of the head of a solitaire http://www.hlevi.com/images/solitaires/705-B.jpg.. Why? Because on the profile the pinks would be visible to me (as the wearer) at most times, and I would still have the classic look of a solitaire that is so versatile and classic (and cost effective).

That is probably going to be his BEST bet on a budget. Find a vendor that has a beautiful surprise stone solitaire that he loves and ask them to customize the setting with two small pink diamonds in the head.

Here are a couple others with surprise stones that would be good with a 50 point center:

http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/18k-White-Gold-Double-Claw-Prong,-Surprise-Diamond-Engagement-Ring.html

http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/pave/ring/item_412-4121.asp

http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/pave/18k-white-gold-single-claw-pave-surprise-diamond-engagement-ring.html

I think JA will customize some of their settings so it might be worth a call to see if they can do either of this with a pink diamond surprise stone.
 
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