Got my new diamond and I think it has flourescence?

[ringbling17]

Hello everyone!
I got my A Cut Above today. It's a 3.321 I VS2 with negligible flourescence which I read could mean it can be faint to none for AGS certified diamonds.
I'm actually excited that it has a bit of Flourescence bc I think it's cool, but I noticed that there is one spot right on the table, almost right in the center, that is brighter, almost like a dot of bright blue and there is a cloud around it. I tried to clean it thinking it was just dirty, but it's still there.

I don't know if this is something I should be concerned about? Is flourescence usually uneven?

 

[ringbling17]

Closer pictures. I took it with my three diamond OEC ring to show that there is no blue light emitted from it when I shine my UV flashlight on both of them. A few of the melee in that ring also glow blue as well.
I actually bought the UV light because I was trying to find out where my cat peed on my couch! Lol!

 

[SimoneDi]

Congrats on your new diamond! I was following your stories and I see that you went back to an I color.
Honestly, that one dot would not bother me, it almost seems that the stone has a different degree of flourescense there (maybe others will know better)..however, that right there doesn't not seem like negligible flourescense, I would consider that at least "faint". I am a fan of fluoro, I really think that it usually helps color, but my advise would be to look at the stone outside and see how noticeable is and if it bothers you. You want to be happy with your stone.

 

[ringbling17]

Congrats on your new diamond! I was following your stories and I see that you went back to an I color.
Honestly, that one dot would not bother me, it almost seems that the stone has a different degree of flourescense there (maybe others will know better)..however, that right there doesn't not seem like negligible flourescense, I would consider that at least "faint". I am a fan of fluoro, I really think that it usually helps color, but my advise would be to look at the stone outside and see how noticeable is and if it bothers you. You want to be happy with your stone.

Thanks! I'm excited about it having fluorescence (especially since it's an I!) and TBH compared to the Larger J I had and returned, this diamond appears much whiter to me.
I was also worried bc that bright dot also has a cloud around it. It's hard for me to photograph, but I think some of the pictures show it.
It's funny but I have a five diamond band with BGD diamonds and all of those are also negligible flourescence but they glow blue just like this new diamond. They are all I VS as well.
I also checked my OEC pendant that I got from David Klass the other day, but no such luck!
One day I took my five diamond band to work to show my co-worker bc she is looking for a five diamond band for her anniversary and she noted under the hospital lights my diamonds looked blue. She even asked me if they were blue diamonds.

 

[SimoneDi]

I would check the report to see if there is any inclusion in the area. I am glad that you like this stone! I switched from a J without fluoro to a J with strong blue (both BGD) and the stone apesrs much whiter to me and whiter when next to other Js, so fluorescence definitely helps. My only concern would be how is that considered "negligible", to me it looks like faint at least. As much as I like fluorescence, it does decrease the value of diamonds, so I would probably check with WF on this. I am glad you have a collections of Is a 5 stone band is on my wish list! Can you post a pic here?

 

[MissGotRocks]

Is what you are seeing in the center of the stone the culet? Look at the center of my avatar - does it look like the same thing?

 

[ringbling17]

I would check the report to see if there is any inclusion in the area. I am glad that you like this stone! I switched from a J without fluoro to a J with strong blue (both BGD) and the stone apesrs much whiter to me and whiter when next to other Js, so fluorescence definitely helps. My only concern would be how is that considered "negligible", to me it looks like faint at least. As much as I like fluorescence, it does decrease the value of diamonds, so I would probably check with WF on this. I am glad you have a collections of Is a 5 stone band is on my wish list! Can you post a pic here?

Hi!
I think with AGS negligible flourescence the range can be none up to almost medium. They don't have a faint grading. At least as far as I could find when I looked it up.
I will post a picture of my five diamond band tomorrow with the UV light and without it.

 

[ringbling17]

Is what you are seeing in the center of the stone the culet? Look at the center of my avatar - does it look like the same thing?

Hi!
No, it's not quite center and it's not round. It's a little bit lower on one side and I even tried to cover the area with my finger and a tissue paper bc I thought it was the culet too.
I did contact WF to ask about it.
I actually wanted a diamond with flourescence so that part is fine. I just don't like that one area being brighter and that cloud around it. I'm worried it will make the diamond hazy. But I can't tell if my diamond is hazy either bc it seems so bright to me.
On the other hand if I am only going to see it when I shine UV light on it, I should be fine.
Plus if it ever gets stolen I will know it's mine! Lol!
I am also getting a pair of ACA earrings next week so I'm going to ask them to check both diamonds for flourescence as well.

 

[ajunes16]

Hi Kayla! Please post more pictures of your new ring on STMB. Can't wait to see it!!!

 

[Karl_K]

Florescent light is bounced around the diamond just like any other light.
This can cause some areas to appear brighter than others.

Zoning of florescence is not unknown.

I have also seen crystal inclusions that glow brighter than the surrounding diamond under UV.
Someone with more experience may tell me I am wrong but my thinking was the crystal was a diamond and it was very reactive to UV while the surrounding diamond itself was just mildly reactive. I did not have a loupe with me to confirm the crystal was a diamond at the time.
There are also other possible materials that gets classified as a crystal other than diamond that may be highly UV reactive also.

Looking at the pictures I think the first case applies here.

 

[Wewechew]

You need to do a SMTB thread!

 

[SimoneDi]

Hi!
I think with AGS negligible flourescence the range can be none up to almost medium. They don't have a faint grading. At least as far as I could find when I looked it up.
I will post a picture of my five diamond band tomorrow with the UV light and without it.

Ok, I stand corrected, I thought that they reported "slight" and I could have sworn that I had seen it on a report, but no, no, I was wrong. Well enjoy your lovely new stone!
https://www.whiteflash.com/about-di...laboratory-color-grading-of-diamonds-1249.htm The diamond exhibited here (bottom of page) reminds me of what you are seeing in your stone.

 

[ringbling17]

Hi Kayla! Please post more pictures of your new ring on STMB. Can't wait to see it!!!

I will soon! I ordered ACA earrings and will be getting them next week and a VCA sweet Alhambra butterfly bracelet so I want to post one thread on all of them.
I love this setting by the way. It's low set and very secure. I love the way they did the prongs and I really like the donut because it's big so a wedding band doesn't "hide" underneath it. I thought I wouldn't like the donut, but it's fine.
I wish I could customize it. I would make it in eight prongs with a platinum crown and a rose gold shank. It's almost a poor man's version of the Margot. Well not quite but you get what I mean I hope.

 

[ringbling17]

Florescent light is bounced around the diamond just like any other light.
This can cause some areas to appear brighter than others.

Zoning of florescence is not unknown.

I have also seen crystal inclusions that glow brighter than the surrounding diamond under UV.
Someone with more experience may tell me I am wrong but my thinking was the crystal was a diamond and it was very reactive to UV while the surrounding diamond itself was just mildly reactive. I did not have a loupe with me to confirm the crystal was a diamond at the time.
There are also other possible materials that gets classified as a crystal other than diamond that may be highly UV reactive also.

Looking at the pictures I think the first case applies here.

Thanks for the explaination Karl! I remember once a long time ago someone post a ruby inclusion inside of a diamond. I thought that was really cool!

 

[ringbling17]

You need to do a SMTB thread!

Eventually I will. Once I get my earrings!

 

[ringbling17]

Ok, I stand corrected, I thought that they reported "slight" and I could have sworn that I had seen it on a report, but no, no, I was wrong. Well enjoy your lovely new stone!
https://www.whiteflash.com/about-di...laboratory-color-grading-of-diamonds-1249.htm The diamond exhibited here (bottom of page) reminds me of what you are seeing in your stone.

Yes! That's what I'm thinking. That my diamond has some areas that show more intense flourescence. Also, I don't know if you can see it but in the first picture there are some fine lines in the diamond. They look almost like polish lines. So that is something I wanted to ask WF as well.

 

[Wewechew]

Eventually I will. Once I get my earrings!

Earrings!!!!!! What size are they going to be!?

 

[Karl_K]

Thanks for the explaination Karl! I remember once a long time ago someone post a ruby inclusion inside of a diamond. I thought that was really cool!

Welcome. That should have said UV light bounces but then again the light generated by the fluorescence can bounce around also so its not that far off.
There are a lot of kewl inclusions possible in a diamond.
I have always thought it would be way kewl to form a collection around them.
Trying to find eye visible examples of the different crystal inclusions and those that form kewl patterns.

 

[Karl_K]

Yes! That's what I'm thinking. That my diamond has some areas that show more intense flourescence. Also, I don't know if you can see it but in the first picture there are some fine lines in the diamond. They look almost like polish lines. So that is something I wanted to ask WF as well.

What are the inclusions listed on the report?
Anything about graining?
btw you have some cloth snagged on a prong in the pic.
I would take a look at that prong under a loupe to make sure it is down.

 

[ringbling17]

Welcome. That should have said UV light bounces but then again the light generated by the fluorescence can bounce around also so its not that far off.
There are a lot of kewl inclusions possible in a diamond.
I have always thought it would be way kewl to form a collection around them.
Trying to find eye visible examples of the different crystal inclusions and those that form kewl patterns.

I'm trying to think of who it was. I think it was Rhino. I don't think it was eye visible though. Post some of you find them!

 

[ringbling17]

What are the inclusions listed on the report?
Anything about graining?
btw you have some cloth snagged on a prong in the pic.
I would take a look at that prong under a loupe to make sure it is down.

The inclusions don't mention graining, but I'm wondering if that has something to do with why the flourescence would be zoned differently and in different intensities.
Maybe the area of that cloud matches the polish looking lines.
There are crystals, feathers and clouds listed and in the comments it says addition clouds not shown.
Do you know anyone who can check it for graining? Im not worried about graining as much as straining, but of course I would rather have a diamond without either if I could. Why buy one with it when you can buy one without it!
I'm near David Atlas' former place in Philly, but he's not there anymore! I would love to send it to Richard Sherwood but I haven't seen him around. Once he and I found a table inclusion in a diamond that was not listed on the GIA report! It was under the table and shaped like a flying bird.
I had a VS1 with external graining before and I really only noticed it on one facet. This is more lines or ridges that seem to form a circle around the pavilion. And then I notice more parellel lines but they are on the edges and they don't seem to follow the round shape of the diamond. They are straight.
I thought maybe it's the metal of the setting showing up on the diamond. But I went to look at the photo of the diamond on the WF website and I think I see them there too now that I examine it. I would never have noticed it before though from just looking at it.
Below are pictures.
First picture and last is my picture trying to zoom in. But they are from my phone and I need contrast to show the lines.
Middle picture is WF and again it needs more contrast but I think you can see it.

 

[ringbling17]

AGS inclusions.

 

[ringbling17]

Earrings!!!!!! What size are they going to be!?

They aren't too big. I bought two matching .602 I VS2s, so 1.2 ctw. I figure that's my starter set and then I can eventually upgrade those in a few years.
I'm setting them in the WF 8 prong martinis with jumbo backs!

 

[Karl_K]

This help?

 

[Karl_K]

The circular lines are polish marks.

 

[ringbling17]

It's actually these lines that I zoomed in on. In the last picture you can see them on the white parts in between the arrow. Not inclusions per say. These lines are parallel and form a circle around the pavilion of the diamond. Like polish lines.
It's hard for me to take a picture of the lines bc they are clear but I can see them with the loupe and they show up when there's some contrast.

 

[ringbling17]

The circular lines are polish marks.

Yes! Those are the lines. So that's what they are? The diamond seems to have a bad polish job then!
It's noticeable from my camera phone. And I see them in areas near the girdle as well.
I've had other diamonds from WF as well and they've never had polish marks like this.
Also wouldn't AGS notice it and not give the diamond a 0 for polish. I just had the diamond recerted on May 17th, so when they recert, don't they check the diamond all over again?

 

[ringbling17]

I am glad you have a collections of Is a 5 stone band is on my wish list! Can you post a pic here?[/QUOTE]

Here you go! They are all .34's I VS2 BGDs in a platinum Trellis B setting.

 

[ringbling17]

And with my new ACA and a picture of the flourescence.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

The stone is gorgeous! Ideal does not mean absolutely perfectly flawless, though. If we all magnified our diamonds that large, we'd all find something! So put the magnifier away! That diamond is beautiful!