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lotano28

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Im narrowing down my choice of diamonds and came across this one. Im looking for some feedback if its a good choice (think its a very good cut) or its worth it to go a little further and get a ideal cut. Is the table too big and how much will that affect the look of it?

1.51 Princess Cut
F Color
VS 1 Clarity
6.28x6.27x4.55
Depth 72.6%
Table 76%
No culet
slighty thick to thick girdle
excellent polish
very good symmetry
no florescence

$10,500
 
Table appears to be rather large, which can contribute to less fire and sparkle, and a more glassy look. Do you have a picture of the stone?
 
Date: 4/20/2008 2:04:13 PM
Author:lotano28
Im narrowing down my choice of diamonds and came across this one. Im looking for some feedback if its a good choice (think its a very good cut) or its worth it to go a little further and get a ideal cut. Is the table too big and how much will that affect the look of it?

1.51 Princess Cut
F Color
VS 1 Clarity
6.28x6.27x4.55
Depth 72.6%
Table 76%
No culet
slighty thick to thick girdle
excellent polish
very good symmetry
no florescence

$10,500
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Photographs and an ASET of the diamond if you can get it, would be very helpful. Is it with an online vendor?

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/why-we-prefer-aset-to-ideal-scope-with-fancy-shapes.73949/ ASET info here.
 
I wont be able to get down there for a few days. As far as comparisons go, what do you think of these vs the one mentioned earlier? Can I use the GCAL report to get an idea at all how good the diamond is?

http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?__fun_frm=i&track=btntext_viewselect&elem=img&pid=LD01285834&filter_id=1#grading_report

http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?__fun_frm=i&track=btntext_viewselect&elem=img&pid=LD01170895&filter_id=1#grading_report

What should I be looking for in the GCAL photos? Thanks for all the help!1
 
The first one looks to be so-so. A 9.4% crown height is on the low side, especially couple with that large 73% table. I'd pass on it. You want a smaller table and crown height of at least 10% and upwards.

The second one looks better to me. The crown height is still quite low (9.2%) and the table is still large at 70%. It's also less deep so it'll face up bigger.

Once the elimination by numbers begins, I'd follow up with ASET pictures.
 
Have you considered looking at some in house diamonds with an online vendor? A skilled vendor can be your expert eyes and help you find a stunning Princess, otherwise it is rather difficult to judge them by numbers. But of course the bottom line is if you like the diamond when you see it, as it sounds as if you will be able to view it in person.
 
I liked the first one I posted but I dont have the expert eye. The guy assured me it was a very quality stone and Ive been to see him before settling on that one. I guess Im just nervous about getting it and it turns out I could have done much better.
 
Date: 4/20/2008 3:55:59 PM
Author: lotano28
I liked the first one I posted but I dont have the expert eye. The guy assured me it was a very quality stone and Ive been to see him before settling on that one. I guess Im just nervous about getting it and it turns out I could have done much better.
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Princess cuts can't really be judged by the numbers so much, they can give you a point of reference but don't tell the whole story. I don't think you need an expert eye so much, as one that can tell you if a diamond appeals to you or not, one that you look at and think is beautiful. I would say to try to take your time and to look at some more Princess in person, so you can get a better idea of how they can vary and look, also see if you can look at the one you are interested in, away from the jewellery store lights if applicable. A diamond doesn't always sparkle, but it should still look appealing in less bright light, when in ' rest mode.' Once you have looked at some more diamonds and know what you do and don't like so much, then you will have greater confidence in making the best choice. Unfortunately it is easier with round diamonds to predict how they will look by the numbers, not so with Princess cuts, so if you can look at some more diamonds, and ones with tables smaller than the depths rather than the first one where it is larger, then you should have a better idea.

Here is a beauty as an example of how gorgeous a well cut Princess can look!

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/1967/
 
Is there anyway to estimate what the crown angle on the first one would be? Would it be over 10?
 
Date: 4/20/2008 4:22:48 PM
Author: lotano28
Is there anyway to estimate what the crown angle on the first one would be? Would it be over 10?
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The only way would be to get your guy in Miami to run a Sarin report on the diamond, as this gives detailed measurements of the stone, if he even has access to such equipment, or a manual measuring device. But one of our experts was cautioning recently that the importance of crown heights of contributing to greater fire or performance in a diamond, needs to be used with care. So I would personally in this case either decide whether you want to spend more time looking for a diamond with a superior cut, with the help of an expert vendor, or continue with this one and if you like it based on the info you have once you see it, buy it or pass. One thing you could do, is to order an ASET scope, this would be very useful to take with you, when you go to view any diamonds,

http://www.ideal-scope.com/cart_order.asp
 
Date: 4/20/2008 4:40:15 PM
Author: lotano28
Well I definately want to fine a superior cut diamond so I will keep looking. One more request..could you give me an opinion of this one? Want to get an idea of what I can get on BN vs. my guy.


http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?pid=LD01212730&filter_id=1&track=summary_image_link
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I'm not too sure about that pattern in the middle of the princess stone - looks almost like a dead zone. This is why seeing the stone is very important - the numbers look cherry but I'm very hesitant about that BN stone.
 
Date: 4/20/2008 4:40:15 PM
Author: lotano28
Well I definately want to fine a superior cut diamond so I will keep looking. One more request..could you give me an opinion of this one? Want to get an idea of what I can get on BN vs. my guy.


http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?pid=LD01212730&filter_id=1&track=summary_image_link
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It is hard to tell with those details with the report in a meaningful way, not enough solid info to go on. If you look at the link above where I posted an example for you, that is the sort of info you want, the good detailed photographs and other images, as this can really help you to get a feel for the diamond. Also an expert vendor is so valuable to be able to advise you. Regarding BN though, they do have a 30 day return policy, so if you bought a diamond and decided it wasn''t right for you, you could return it. The other vendors also have a return policy and in some cases an upgrade policy too, in case that is ever a consideration.
 
Excuse my lack of experience but what do you mean by dead zone? How do you distinguish that in the report?
 
Date: 4/20/2008 5:05:27 PM
Author: lotano28
Excuse my lack of experience but what do you mean by dead zone? How do you distinguish that in the report?
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I looked at the picture on the GCAL cert. This is why pictures are important. Without the picture, I'd never have guessed it. The center appears to be glassy and not sparkly like the edges. Also, compare that to the two princess cut pictures you posted earlier (also with GCAL certs) and you'll see what I mean.

ETA
I took a second look and it isn't as bad as I thought it was. Remember that I'm trying to judge this by squinting at a tiny static picture.
 
Is there a better online dealer with the photos necessary to pick a good diamond?
 
Date: 4/20/2008 6:05:30 PM
Author: lotano28
How is this one?


http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/3999/


What should I look for on the DiamXray
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Diamxray basically uses red-reflector technology. It is similar to using an idealscope.
What you need to look out for are 3 things
1) The areas of white. White shows light leakage. It does not mean that you reject the diamond immediately if you see even a speck of white. what you do not want to see if huge areas of white, which would indicate blatant leakage.
2)The red areas: The red areas show the areas where the diamond will reflect the light back at the viewer. The darker the red area, the higher the light return. The less red or more pink the area is, the less light return it gives
3)The black areas: In diffuse lighting conditions, these are the areas that will show the "fire"
For more info about red reflector technologies, do visit this weblink http://www.goodoldgold.com/Technologies/ReflectorTechnologies/WhatdoReflectorsTeachUs/

Hope I''ve helped.
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