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GIA to grade Labs Pass /Fail... 4 C's for Naturals only.

I will take K SI2 antique diamonds like this 2 ct all-day-long. Send them all to me!

(The center of the middle ring is a GIA K SI2. Center of the bottom ring is also a GIA K)

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Listen my ideal color for MRB is an I. And for Old cuts: j/k. So I get it. I actually wanted a warmer lab diamond. But THEY COST TOO MUCH. And also, OMG that is a glorious collection. WOW.
 
I believe oncrutches meant that when someone walks into a jewelry store to purchase a diamond, generally speaking are they going to choose the inferior diamond when they could get a superior diamond for a lot less money? Emphasis on the “generally speaking”.

Let me make this very clear to you @Chelsea Palmer K SI2 are in no way "inferior" to
Listen my ideal color for MRB is an I. And for Old cuts: j/k. So I get it. I actually wanted a warmer lab diamond. But THEY COST TOO MUCH. And also, OMG that is a glorious collection. WOW.

Thank you (only the top two are mine-the bottom ring is my mom’s).

My point that K SI2 stones are far from “inferior.” Oh and while I’m at it love fluorescent 95% of the time!
 
Let me make this very clear to you @Chelsea Palmer K SI2 are in no way "inferior" to


Thank you (only the top two are mine-the bottom ring is my mom’s).

My point that K SI2 stones are far from “inferior.” Oh and while I’m at it love fluorescent 95% of the time!

I don’t need you to make anything “very clear” to me. Gypsy was talking about purchasing an inferior natural for more money than a superior LGD.
 
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What you say makes sense and large, high quality natural diamonds might cost more in the future. I wonder about the smaller, low color, low clarity, meh cut diamonds. Let’s say prices go up on those. Will people really want to receive a 1 carat K color SI2 natural diamond in a cheap solitaire setting versus a high color, high clarity, super ideal 1 carat LGD in a well-crafted setting by a recognizable designer?

@Chelsea Palmer let me clarify again. It was in fact @oncrutchesrightnow . See above quote verbatim. She never used the term inferior-that was all you.

Super duper happy with my “inferior” 2 ct K SI2 diamond btw :lol-2:

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@Chelsea Palmer let me clarify again. It was in fact @oncrutchesrightnow . See above quote verbatim. She never used the term inferior-that was all you.

Super duper happy with my “inferior” 2 ct K SI2 diamond btw :lol-2:

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I wasn’t talking about you or your 2 ct K SI2 diamond. Good for you that you’re super-duper happy with it
 
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I don’t need you to make anything “very clear” to me. Gypsy was talking about purchasing an inferior natural for more money than a superior LGD.

I never said that.

AT ALL.

In any way shape or form. Nor can you extrapolate that from anything I said. Please do not misrepresent my words. They stand for themselves and if they need interpreting, then *I* will do that myself.

I would never use "inferior" related to warmer color or lower clarity diamonds. You know why? I PREFER THEM. I don't like overpaying for things, I have always thought (once I educated myself) that clarity beyond structurally safe and eyeclean is a waste of money. As for color, when I was looking for a MMD I was looking for J/K color myself. I had to "settle" for a higher color and clarity because that's what was available, and I didn't want a custom cut diamond because the risk was too high for me. Also, I don't use the word "inferior" and never have, except with relation to vendors. And even then, only rarely.

The word "lower quality" was used by Gary, and I believe the word inferior was only used by you, Chelsea. I find it interested that all throughout this thread you've appointed yourself the person to correct people's (including my) diction with regard to MMD. And yet, when someone corrects you, you deflect accountability.

Just to summarize myself ACCCURATELY what I said is: financial, political and ethical/moral considerations have already impacted the decision to buy earth mined or natural now that here is a viable and widespread alternative to earth mined diamonds. I believe we will see that come into play and I believe the GIA is on the wrong side of that.
 
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Gypsy, forgive my awkward wording, I did not mean to distort or misrepresent your position. I spoke with you years ago when you worked for HPD and you had such passion. I was taken aback my your remarks and was trying to figure out how you got from there to here, certainly not to knock it down.
The abuses of the natural diamond industry can't be ignored by anyone with a conscience. Unfortunately so many things we enjoy have a dark side, mistreatment of people and animals.

IBFP: I just saw this. No worries on the wording, I understand. Thank you for clarifying.

How I got here. I've lived a lot in 5 short years. The world has changed, and I have to too. I've examined my privilege. I've reset my empathy. I've spent years focused on becoming the most authentic version of myself. I've given up people pleasing entirely.

I have always been an advocate on here: but not for diamonds themselves. Rather for customer education, for transparency, and for value. I still believe that CUT is the most important C. That's why I was a part of HPD. And also because I, falsely, believed that HPD and Infinity were staffed and managed by good people who shared my values. That was proven to be hysterically wrong.

And I am still passionate about value and transparency and consumer advocacy. It's just that my definition of value now includes the concept of "mind-clean" in a different way. And for me, mind clean includes a break with the history that goes along with diamond mining. Price fixing, monopoly. Racism, human rights atrocities. And income disparity.

I am more political now. Radicalized by common decency. And I see the intersectionality, the intricacy of socioeconomic inequality in a way I didn't before. My values have shifted. I've grown into who I was meant to be and that means I've shed things that are not authentic to that.
 
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It was quite common for salespeople to steer people towards higher color/ clarity stones.
“I’m looking for a 2ct”
We have this beautiful F/VS1 for $38k
“Our budget is more like $18k….. what about a J color”
Oh you don’t want one of those!!! It will be yellow!!!
Point is- referring to lower color/ clarity stones are inferior- or lesser- was very common. Still is I think.
 
I never said that.

AT ALL.

In any way shape or form. Nor can you extrapolate that from anything I said. Please do not misrepresent my words. They stand for themselves and if they need interpreting, then *I* will do that myself.

I would never use "inferior" related to warmer color or lower clarity diamonds. You know why? I PREFER THEM. When I was looking for a MMD I was looking for J/K color myself. I had to "settle" for a higher color and clarity because that's what was available, and I didn't want a custom cut diamond because the risk was too high for me. Also, I don't use the word "inferior" and never have, except with relation to vendors. And even then, only rarely.

The word inferior was only used by you Chelsea. All I said is: financial, political and ethical considerations impact the decision to buy earth mined or natural and now that here is a viable and widespread alternative to earth mined diamonds, I believe we are seeing that come into play.

It was quite common for salespeople to steer people towards higher color/ clarity stones.
“I’m looking for a 2ct”
We have this beautiful F/VS1 for $38k
“Our budget is more like $18k….. what about a J color”
Oh you don’t want one of those!!! It will be yellow!!!
Point is- referring to lower color/ clarity stones are inferior- or lesser- was very common. Still is I think.

This is from AI and I’m not sure that all aspects of this definition are accurate, as my assumption, knowing very little about diamonds, is that a diamond could have low clarity and low color, but still be well-cut. (And I would also assume that the carat size of a diamond does not affect the performance of the diamond. A 1-carat diamond and a 3-carat diamond could be cut equally beautifully. Again, please correct me if I’m wrong.):
An "inferior" diamond is one with low grades across the 4Cs (cut, clarity, color, and carat), which negatively affects its brilliance, beauty, and value
. These diamonds have numerous visible imperfections and are often not suitable for fine jewelry
 
An "inferior" diamond is one with low grades across the 4Cs (cut, clarity, color, and carat), which negatively affects its brilliance, beauty, and value
. These diamonds have numerous visible imperfections and are often not suitable for fine jewelry

So you're referencing industrial diamonds here?

Old cut diamonds are also inferior by this definition because they don't have a cut grade and are often on the lower end of the colour and clarity scale.
 
Thanks for your reply, Gypsy. A lot happens in five years when you're suddenly single again. Plus this political situation! I woke up at 4:30 this morning thinking, two words that will never be associated with the current administration; Honesty and Integrity.
I have lovely lab earrings but for some reason I prefer mined diamonds. But I can't conceive of a reason to persuade anyone to want one or the other. What you want and pay for is none of my business.
I did wind up buying a CBI 2nd hand from lovedogs, a ~1 ct. N. I'm there, I have a beautiful RB, and I thought of you when I bought it. But, @lovedogs, thank you!!
 
This should give old cuts some interest.....elongated antique cushion - bezel - 18k yellow......
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So you're referencing industrial diamonds here?

Old cut diamonds are also inferior by this definition because they don't have a cut grade and are often on the lower end of the colour and clarity scale.

As stated, that blurb was generated by AI.
 
This is from AI and I’m not sure that all aspects of this definition are accurate, as my assumption, knowing very little about diamonds, is that a diamond could have low clarity and low color, but still be well-cut. (And I would also assume that the carat size of a diamond does not affect the performance of the diamond. A 1-carat diamond and a 3-carat diamond could be cut equally beautifully. Again, please correct me if I’m wrong.):
An "inferior" diamond is one with low grades across the 4Cs (cut, clarity, color, and carat), which negatively affects its brilliance, beauty, and value
. These diamonds have numerous visible imperfections and are often not suitable for fine jewelry

Rereading this, I think now I understand what AI was saying. All four conditions have to be met in order to be considered inferior. Poor cut, poor clarity, poor color, and poor carat. Although I don’t know what a “low-grade carat” is.
 
IBFP: I just saw this. No worries on the wording, I understand. Thank you for clarifying.

How I got here. I've lived a lot in 5 short years. The world has changed, and I have to too. I've examined my privilege. I've reset my empathy. I've spent years focused on becoming the most authentic version of myself. I've given up people pleasing entirely.

I have always been an advocate on here: but not for diamonds themselves. Rather for customer education, for transparency, and for value. I still believe that CUT is the most important C. That's why I was a part of HPD. And also because I, falsely, believed that HPD and Infinity were staffed and managed by good people who shared my values. That was proven to be hysterically wrong.

And I am still passionate about value and transparency and consumer advocacy. It's just that my definition of value now includes the concept of "mind-clean" in a different way. And for me, mind clean includes a break with the history that goes along with diamond mining. Price fixing, monopoly. Racism, human rights atrocities. And income disparity.

I am more political now. Radicalized by common decency. And I see the intersectionality, the intricacy of socioeconomic inequality in a way I didn't before. My values have shifted. I've grown into who I was meant to be and that means I've shed things that are not authentic to that.

Btw, my :shock: face is just geared towards the HPD comment.
 
This should give old cuts some interest.....elongated antique cushion - bezel - 18k yellow......
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I said this on another thread. Looks like a antique inspired newly cut diamond to me-I call them fauxtiques.
 
I said this on another thread. Looks like a antique inspired newly cut diamond to me-I call them fauxtiques.

Yeah I’ve never seen an old miner with that very elongated look. I suppose some might exist somewhere and if any billionaire is going to find it…
 
Yeah I’ve never seen an old miner with that very elongated look. I suppose some might exist somewhere and if any billionaire is going to find it…

I haven't either. Seems sus, especially if the stone is F VS as it's purported to be!
 
Oh? Link me please.

Mine are from GIGAJEWE on Etsy. But there are probably plenty of other good sellers.

They do look lighter/darker depending on the light, but overall they are a nice, solid blue-green.

The top band:

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(I love the below stone, but since the prongs are crooked I feel self-conscious posting it!)

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They are cheap enough to try one when you would like to treat yourself to something small.
 
I haven't either. Seems sus, especially if the stone is F VS as it's purported to be!

Well who knows about color etc, most reporters just parrot what they think is “high quality” lol

Some of the comments on IG make me think it is natural/original though. Just super rare. Hope we get more deets!
 
Well who knows about color etc, most reporters just parrot what they think is “high quality” lol

Some of the comments on IG make me think it is natural/original though. Just super rare. Hope we get more deets!

Definitely natural. Spready 8/9 ct.
 
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