Followup: I put an inclusion in my diamond!! Possible?

[leex1080]

I read this and wanted to follow up to see if anyone knows what happened as it also happened to me: https://www.pricescope.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000264.html
I have had my ring for about 3 weeks, up until this week the ring looked perfect. I know as I starred at it every day for the last week! Then this week I noticed a black speck near the center of the diamond. We took it to the jeweler and they said it was carbon and it has always been there, I just never noticed it before. There was nothing they could do for us. My fiance who picked it out had looked at it in the microscope when he bought it and did not see it. On our papers it did say there was a flaw and it did show the spot where there was a flaw, which matched where this speck is. My question is does it just show up even though it was not noticeable before? Seems to me if this is the case the jeweler misinformed my fiance by not telling him this upfront, otherwise he would never had bought it if such a flaw was so visible.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/17/2009 10:09:11 AM
Author:leex1080
I read this and wanted to follow up to see if anyone knows what happened as it also happened to me: https://www.pricescope.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000264.html
I have had my ring for about 3 weeks, up until this week the ring looked perfect. I know as I starred at it every day for the last week! Then this week I noticed a black speck near the center of the diamond. We took it to the jeweler and they said it was carbon and it has always been there, I just never noticed it before. There was nothing they could do for us. My fiance who picked it out had looked at it in the microscope when he bought it and did not see it. On our papers it did say there was a flaw and it did show the spot where there was a flaw, which matched where this speck is. My question is does it just show up even though it was not noticeable before? Seems to me if this is the case the jeweler misinformed my fiance by not telling him this upfront, otherwise he would never had bought it if such a flaw was so visible.

I have heard this happen a lot, you have the ring for a few weeks then one day you suddenly notice an inclusion and then your eye automatically goes to it, this has happened to me! What is the clarity grade of the diamond? It sounds as if it is noted on the plotting diagram of the grading report, also which lab graded the diamond, GIA?

I think of my inclusions as a little birthmark which are very useful for identifying my stone should I have to leave it to be worked on, maybe that might help?

 

[diamondringlover]

I have had happen to me, I had my current diamond for awhile before I noticed a rather large cloud in it, now I see it all the time, sometimes it bugs me, most of the time I just try not to think about it.

 

[strmrdr]

step 1 clean the diamond

 

[lucyandroger]

This happened to me years ago with a diamond from a previous engagement. You didn''t put the inclusion in the diamond, you just didn''t notice it before. When the diamond is new and clean, the sparkle hides the inclusion. Also once you look at something for a while, little things become more visible.

If I were you I would just make sure to keep the ring extra clean and try to forget about the inclusion. And remember that you''re probably the only one who can see it. The only people who knew my inclusion was there were my ex-fiance and myself - no one else noticed.

 

[motownmama]

Very common. Think of it as a tiny birthmark - if you ever get it cleaned or sized you''ll know it''s really your diamond!!!!! If you didn''t notice it originally neither will anyone else - rest assured.

 

[glitterata]

You didn''t put it there. The Great Creator of Diamonds did. Think of it as Nature''s signature.

 

[John P]

Date: 7/17/2009 10:36:55 AM
Author: strmrdr
step 1 clean the diamond

Especially the pavilion, which can be hard to get-to. When soap, hand lotion or another substance sticks to the back of the diamond it changes the refractive index and the light reacts in a different way.

 

[MichelleCarmen]

Date: 7/17/2009 10:36:55 AM
Author: strmrdr
step 1 clean the diamond

Yep, soak it for a bit and then clean with a baby toothbrush and sudsy water. Be sure to pull the plunger up in the sink first!

 

[Todd Gray]

Date: 7/17/2009 11:45:58 AM
Author: John Pollard

Date: 7/17/2009 10:36:55 AM

Author: strmrdr
step 1 clean the diamond

Especially the pavilion, which can be hard to get-to. When soap, hand lotion or another substance sticks to the back of the diamond it changes the refractive index and the light reacts in a different way.

The reason Storm & John are prompting you to clean the diamond is because inclusions are easier to detect when a diamond has a little bit of oil and dirt on it because it filters the sparkle created by the facets which would normally make it more difficult for you to focus on the inclusions... It''s the same reason we wet grade diamonds to find the inclusions, the liquid sometimes makes it easier to locate the inclusions.

 

[glitterazzi2]

This has happend to me twice now. Once with a necklace from my dad... the jeweler had NOT disclaimed the inclusion - so they replaced it. And with my e-ring - which was disclaimed - and I''m one of the few who have ever seen it. FI could never find it, and I don''t point it out to him - he''s Type A... it would make him crazy. But it IS a whole lot harder to see when it is sparkly clean! And I clean mine at home - but nothing does the same as a good steam! Take it to a jeweler - most will steam it for free. Then don''t sweat it. It''s a little character that only you get to have!

 

[Zola]

This also happened to me with the the first diamond my fiance (now husband) bought me. Yes, the flaws were noted on the paper, but being a first time buyer, all I saw was how sparkly it was. The sales person did not make any effort to point it out verbally or under the microscope since legally they already disclossed it in the the paperwork. And like you, I stared at my ring constantly for weeks until one day I notice a black spot. I panicked and thought something was wrong to just have it appear and was told by the jeweler that it was always there. Stupid me. The point is, that when you first see the ring, all you notice is how sparkly and pretty it is. After looking at it hundres of time, you start noticing every detail more than you did in the store. If you''re like me, the flaw really bothered me to where a year later, we upgraded. Since it''s only been three weeks, you might be able to take it back since most stores allow up to 3 months to change your mind. Plus the store might be more agreeable since they keep the business, but you get a different diamond without a visiable flaw.

 

[leex1080]

Thanks everyone. Makes me feel better I am not the only one and that I am not going crazy and seeing stuff! I don''t mind it that much but my fiance is pretty upset about it.

 

[Amethyste]

... I know how you feel! I have been in the same situation before...

without being a snoot, that''s why to me, clarity comes 1st on the list of the C''s.... Especially when you have eagle eyes like mine! Mine is now a VVS2, and i can''t see anything in there - i know it''s mental, but I just know there is nothing in there that i can see...

 

[MrsChil]

Could this be due to clarity enhancement???

 

[Gypsy]

Clarity enhancement is always disclosed. They''d have noticed that on the certificate. Plus I''m pretty sure (though not positive) that GIA and AGS will not touch a clarity enhanced stone.

 

[Gypsy]

Date: 7/17/2009 3:02:22 PM
Author: Zola






This also happened to me with the the first diamond my fiance (now husband) bought me. Yes, the flaws were noted on the paper, but being a first time buyer, all I saw was how sparkly it was. The sales person did not make any effort to point it out verbally or under the microscope since legally they already disclossed it in the the paperwork. And like you, I stared at my ring constantly for weeks until one day I notice a black spot. I panicked and thought something was wrong to just have it appear and was told by the jeweler that it was always there. Stupid me. The point is, that when you first see the ring, all you notice is how sparkly and pretty it is. After looking at it hundres of time, you start noticing every detail more than you did in the store. If you're like me, the flaw really bothered me to where a year later, we upgraded. Since it's only been three weeks, you might be able to take it back since most stores allow up to 3 months to change your mind. Plus the store might be more agreeable since they keep the business, but you get a different diamond without a visiable flaw.

Okay this statement bugs the heck out of me. The tone of it and the implication that there was a conspiracy or an intent to decieve you. The sales person is to blame because they assumed that when you are spending THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON SOMETHING you wouldn't read the documentation, and because WHEN YOU ARE STARING AT SOMETHING UNDER A MICROSCOPE they aren't pointing out every little thing to you. What is up that implication that somehow they were trying to cheat you? . Sorry. Doesn't fly. They are magically supposed to know that you don't know squat about diamonds, haven't done any research and don't know what questions to ask, especially when looking at a certificate that saws right there... INCLUSION AT 12 O'clock.

Jewelers usually have LOTS of stock, and in most stores (especially BM's) a sales person isn't the one buying the stock. So no, they wouldn't know every plotted inclusion by heart for every stone. AND not every plotted inclusion is eye visible to every person. And if your you didn't see the thing when it was clean, and takes you WEEKS to notice the thing... you really expect the sales person to know it's there, and to see it? They probably didn't see it either.

Customers have as MUCH a responsibility to act ethically and fairly and INTELLIGENTLY as vendors do. Personally, it sounds to me like you and the OP are blaming someone else for what was ultimately, your own fault (I am using YOU as in the two of you, including your FI's whoever picked the stone). At least in Zola's case she says, "Stupid me," though the implication is not that she is taking responsibility (at least not the way I'm reading it) but rather AGAIN, that the jeweler is taking advantage of her.

You buy anything you should look it over properly and inspect it and educate yourself about it. WORSE when you are buying an emotional, once (or twice, or 10 times in a lifetime if you are just that way) in a lifetime object like an engagement ring and spending thousands an it. Don't blame the vendor for your own ignorance or your negligence.

Sheesh. Talk about entitled. At some point ya gotta realize that you need to think for yourself and take responsibility for your actions, and that mommy and daddy aren't going to hold your hand through everything... and that a salesperson certainly isn't going to either. Nor are they required to, legally, ethically or morally. I would HOPE that a person contemplating something as adult as marriage, or someone who IS already married a year, would have figured that out, but maybe I'm expecting too much. It's much easier to blame everyone else after all than to look at yourself and say... hey, I messed up! Look at that. And really mean it.

 

[arjunajane]

Hey Gypsy...I agree with your points completely on principle, and that was what stood out to me too about OP''s and others'' comments on their buying experiences...
But - hey, sweety - did someone get out on the wrong side today?!

 

[tlroza]

Agreed, that was a bit over the top.

 

[MrsChil]

Date: 7/18/2009 3:12:37 AM
Author: Gypsy
Clarity enhancement is always disclosed. They''d have noticed that on the certificate. Plus I''m pretty sure (though not positive) that GIA and AGS will not touch a clarity enhanced stone.

Oh, sorry I didn''t see where the OP said it was GIA or AGS certified??? Did I miss something here?

 

[Lorelei]

GIA won''t grade a fracture filled diamond but they will if it has been laser treated.

 

[Gypsy]

Mea Culpa. I had just woken up from some pretty bad nightmares and was cranky. I standby my points but...MY OWN TONE was over the top. Apologies to all. Thaks AJ.

Date: 7/18/2009 9:09:21 AM
Author: arjunajane
Hey Gypsy...I agree with your points completely on principle, and that was what stood out to me too about OP's and others' comments on their buying experiences...
But - hey, sweety - did someone get out on the wrong side today?!

And V-girl you are right, the Op doesn't say what the documentation was. Sorry.

Lorelei, thanks for the clarification.

 

[Lorelei]

Hope you sleep better tonight Gypsy

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 7/18/2009 5:19:56 PM
Author: Gypsy
Mea Culpa. I had just woken up from some pretty bad nightmares and was cranky. I standby my points but...MY OWN TONE was over the top. Apologies to all. Thaks AJ.

Date: 7/18/2009 9:09:21 AM

Author: arjunajane

Hey Gypsy...I agree with your points completely on principle, and that was what stood out to me too about OP''s and others'' comments on their buying experiences...

But - hey, sweety - did someone get out on the wrong side today?!

And V-girl you are right, the Op doesn''t say what the documentation was. Sorry.


Lorelei, thanks for the clarification.

No worries matey,
ditto to Loz.

 

[Gypsy]

Thank you both very much. Me too.