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First Post - Thoughts On This Stone

Discussion in 'RockyTalky' started by DavidT, Nov 11, 2009.

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  1. DavidT
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    by DavidT » Nov 11, 2009
    I''ve officially de-lurked. Great site here. Looking to invest approximately $20K to upgrade my wife''s diamond (10th anniversary). I found this at a local B&M and it comes up as a .6 on the HCA. The data is from the GIA report. The price is similar to what Ive seen from PS vendors (just over $18K). What do you folks think.....worth a look?

    1.70 ct round
    F color
    VS2 clarity
    Polish excellent
    Symmetry very good
    Flourescence none
    7.63x7.67x4.70

    Depth 61.40
    Table 56.0
    Girdle Med-stk
    Table 35.0
    Pavilion 40.4


    Thanks in advance for your help!
     
  2. AprilBaby
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    by AprilBaby » Nov 11, 2009
    I am no help but WELCOME!!!! [​IMG]
     
  3. Stone-cold11
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  4. Lorelei
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    by Lorelei » Nov 11, 2009
    Welcome!

    The diamond might be ok but could show obstruction due to the shallow pavilion angle. This is where a diamond can visibly darken at close inspection due to the viewer's head blocking the light. It isn't necessarily a huge deal but something that needs to be checked. I would look for a stone with a pavilion of around 40.6 - 41 degrees.

    You have an excellent budget, do you prefer to buy from a store or are you open to buying online? Congrats on your anniversary by the way!
     
  5. DavidT
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    by DavidT » Nov 11, 2009
    Thanks all! Was looking on-line, but this came up on a local jewelers website and the price looked about in line with what I''d seen from PS vendors. Compared the to the cheat-sheet specs and it seemed OK.
     
  6. Lorelei
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    by Lorelei » Nov 11, 2009
    Just the pavilion angle is on the shallow side, apart from that everything else looks good, so do check carefully for obstruction if you like this one. Bend over the diamond and watch it to see if it darkens, if it doesn''t then you are fine, if it does then it depends on how much it bothers you. Compare as many different diamonds as you can, try Jareds for their AGS0 Peerless brand to get a good idea of how diamonds of known cut quality compare.
     
  7. Stone-cold11
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    by Stone-cold11 » Nov 11, 2009
    Depends on how well the facets work with each other, it might be fine, but there is no way to tell from just numbers so you will have to check it out yourself if it will bother you.
     
  8. DavidT
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    by DavidT » Nov 11, 2009
    Thanks for the link to the video stone-cold. So I can simply stand over the stone putting it in my shadow to see if it darkens up like in the video?
     
  9. DavidT
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    by DavidT » Nov 11, 2009
    Whoops, posted before I saw your response. Thanks, Lorelei.
     
  10. Lorelei
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    by Lorelei » Nov 11, 2009
    Most welcome Dave, just ask if you need any more help![​IMG]
     
  11. DavidT
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  12. Stone-cold11
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    by Stone-cold11 » Nov 11, 2009
    Yap, IS/ASET looks good. Better in the sense it is safe, no obstruction issue, then yes.
     
  13. Lorelei
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  14. DavidT
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    by DavidT » Nov 11, 2009
    Thanks guys. Think I can do better at this size and budget? This one came up using the "cut quality search" on this website. I realize this may not be a fair question to ask.
     
  15. Stone-cold11
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    by Stone-cold11 » Nov 11, 2009
    yap, probably.
    let me take a look.
     
  16. Lorelei
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    by Lorelei » Nov 11, 2009
    Its top cut quality, very desirable size, colour and clarity. You might be able to find something comparable if you look, depends on what you are looking for and various vendor benefits available with the purchase etc.

    What are your objectives, more size? Do you want to keep the same colour and clarity or are you willing to lower these? WF offer a generous upgrade policy along with some of the other vendors, some however vary in as much as you might have to spend considerably more to upgrade, is this a consideration?
     
  17. Stone-cold11
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    by Stone-cold11 » Nov 11, 2009
    This looks promising.

    About 17k with PS discount and wire-transfer.
    http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1239679.asp

    Not sure if you can squeeze you budget for this. 20.6k with PS discount and wire-transfer. This has Very Strong Fluor, not sure what is your preference on that. If you are fine with it, ask JA if the fluor has a negative impact on the light return as in it makes the stone looks oily/hazy in sunlight.
    http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/E-VS2-Premium-Cut-Round-Diamond-1096521.asp

    Request for an Idealscope image from JA if you are interested.
     
  18. DavidT
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    by DavidT » Nov 11, 2009
    Thanks Stone and Lorelei. Good questions. I am looking more for quality than size. I have no illusions about looking for flawless...that is not practical. My wifes current stone is a .96 ct round SI1 H color. I guess I''m trying to strike a balance. I know I could go to 2 ct but with a potentially inferior cut. From what I''ve read here, cut comes first and I agree. I am not married to an F stone, G would probably work too, but want to keep out of SI territory. Hope this kinda helps. I really appreciate your feedback.
     
  19. DavidT
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    by DavidT » Nov 11, 2009
    Thanks for the links, stone. That 2ct shows strong flourescence. I probably need to research this more, but isn''t that something to avoid?
     
  20. DavidT
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    by DavidT » Nov 11, 2009
    Sorry stone. Need to go back to "Reading is Fundamental" class. You already addressed this.
     
  21. Stone-cold11
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    by Stone-cold11 » Nov 11, 2009
    Personal preference, I like to have it, fun think to have. I glows blue in UV light, like checks, dollar bills security mark. A very small percentage will be what is called over-blue, which negatively impact like return, making the stone look hazy/oily in sunlight, ask JA if that is the case for this stone if you are interested in it.
     
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    by Lorelei » Nov 11, 2009
    Here is one which could work, $20700 with bank wire

    http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/6123/
     
  24. DavidT
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    by DavidT » Nov 11, 2009
    Lorelei - you like this one better than the Whiteflash one I posted up earlier?
     
  25. Lorelei
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    Both are superb David, its down to personal preference and price really.
     
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    Thanks for your help Stone and Lorelei. Stone, I requested an IS from JA on the 1.79 ct stone. I''ll post it up when I get it.
     
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    Most welcome!
     
  29. DavidT
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    Hi again Lorelei. Question on the GOG stone you posted here. When you pull this up, you see a bunch of images on the bottom, including the Acet image (which to me looks real good based on what I''ve read), but when you click on the AGS report for the stone, the report also has and Acet image of the stone which to me looks decidedly worse. What do you think? Is this common?
     
  30. Lorelei
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    by Lorelei » Nov 12, 2009
    Hi Dave!

    Nothing to worry about, the ASET in question is computer generated on the Sarin report, you also see these ASET images as a feature of the new AGS Platinum reports ( the diamond in question has what is now the old style AGS report which isn't a problem), I normally prefer to go by actual ASET images rather than these.
     
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