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Palin''s lawyer files a brief in reply to "Troopergate" allegations...
Female Mccain''s VP pick
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Miraclesrule:
"The only thing that distinguishes our human species from other "animals" is our ability to be aware that we aware. It''s our ability to think and then act, and not just act out of instinct, much like an animal does. I have no idea why I am writing this post, except that I feel we have strayed really far from the issues, and that is what the campaign machine wants us to do as a distraction from becoming truly educated citizens. Personally, I don''t want to be one of those people they think are that pliable."
I totally agree.
"The only thing that distinguishes our human species from other "animals" is our ability to be aware that we aware. It''s our ability to think and then act, and not just act out of instinct, much like an animal does. I have no idea why I am writing this post, except that I feel we have strayed really far from the issues, and that is what the campaign machine wants us to do as a distraction from becoming truly educated citizens. Personally, I don''t want to be one of those people they think are that pliable."
I totally agree.
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Madam, great article. Thanks for posting.
This one had things I didn''t even know about!!
An Open Letter To Gov. Sarah Palin on Women''s Rights
This one had things I didn''t even know about!!
An Open Letter To Gov. Sarah Palin on Women''s Rights
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I haven''t posted this yet on this thread. I think this is a really interesting article as well.
She makes an interesting argument that might answer your question Thumbelina. Is it a reason to vote for someone? Well, no, of course not, but it explains why some people are interested in her. http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0908kh.html
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I find her intriguing simply because she is the first female Republican VP nominee; just like I find Obama intriguing simply because he is the first African-American Presidential nominee...novelties always get noticed.
I think a lot of people can relate, even if they don't agree, with both candidates, which makes them more interesting to the everyman.
ETA: Great link Sarah! I have to say that although I believe in equal rights for women, I am not a rah-rah feminist, either. I found it very interesting that some feminists feel that Palin (and other women) somehow betrays her gender by not being pro-choice.
ETA: Great link Sarah! I have to say that although I believe in equal rights for women, I am not a rah-rah feminist, either. I found it very interesting that some feminists feel that Palin (and other women) somehow betrays her gender by not being pro-choice.
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Here is another good article on how she came to be selected:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/the-palin-doctrine-why-th_b_126511.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/the-palin-doctrine-why-th_b_126511.html
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I just have to say something - and I'm doing it in this thread as not to hi-jack other threads.
I am Pro-Choice. There are a great number of people (some on here) who do not share my view. It is not my business nor do I have the right to tell anyone that they are wrong. We should all be free to feel and express our own values without being flamed or made to feel stupid or insulted. We are a very diverse community - and I think diversity is a good thing. Remember that we are all shaped by our own individual life experiences, morals, values and norms of behaviour. There is no reason to freak out over someone's different point of view.
I am Pro-Choice. There are a great number of people (some on here) who do not share my view. It is not my business nor do I have the right to tell anyone that they are wrong. We should all be free to feel and express our own values without being flamed or made to feel stupid or insulted. We are a very diverse community - and I think diversity is a good thing. Remember that we are all shaped by our own individual life experiences, morals, values and norms of behaviour. There is no reason to freak out over someone's different point of view.
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Ooh this makes me
http://ruleofreason.blogspot.com/2008/09/palins-down-syndrome-child-and-right-to.htm. I guess pro-choice only means one choice: abortion? As a person who has mentally and physically disabled person in my family..I cannot comprehend how someone could actually write something like this supporting something I thought we had moved past: eugenics.
ETA: Let me clarify before anyone gets offended..by pro-choice I meant this author ONLY. Not anyone here..as I consider myself pro-choice, so I'd be insulting myself as well.
ETA: Let me clarify before anyone gets offended..by pro-choice I meant this author ONLY. Not anyone here..as I consider myself pro-choice, so I'd be insulting myself as well.
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OMG! That is flat-out ridiculous. I don't care if you're pro-choice or not!Date: 9/17/2008 5:16:52 PM
Author: SarahLovesJS
Ooh this makes mehttp://ruleofreason.blogspot.com/2008/09/palins-down-syndrome-child-and-right-to.htm. I guess pro-choice only means one choice: abortion? As a person who has mentally and physically disabled person in my family..I cannot comprehend how someone could actually write something like this supporting something I thought we had moved past: eugenics.
ETA: Let me clarify before anyone gets offended..by pro-choice I meant this author ONLY. Not anyone here..as I consider myself pro-choice, so I'd be insulting myself as well.
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Date: 9/17/2008 5:31:44 PM
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OMG! That is flat-out ridiculous. I don''t care if you''re pro-choice or not!Date: 9/17/2008 5:16:52 PM
Author: SarahLovesJS
Ooh this makes mehttp://ruleofreason.blogspot.com/2008/09/palins-down-syndrome-child-and-right-to.htm. I guess pro-choice only means one choice: abortion? As a person who has mentally and physically disabled person in my family..I cannot comprehend how someone could actually write something like this supporting something I thought we had moved past: eugenics.
ETA: Let me clarify before anyone gets offended..by pro-choice I meant this author ONLY. Not anyone here..as I consider myself pro-choice, so I''d be insulting myself as well.(Again, talking about the author).
Yeah, that blog made no sense at all to me...Sarah, just speaking as someone who is Pro-Choice, and this is my first time ever to discuss abortion because its such a difficult topic; legislation should never be phrased as an all or nothing...both sides make a mess of it when they go to the extremes. The farthest left advocating for "partial-birth" and the farthest right saying, even if Mom dies, the life of the fetus is more important...both are mindless in their rigidity. My hope is to keep abortion, as the Democratic party platform says, "legal and rare." I have been involved several times in friends and students having to make decisions, and I am so glad that there is a decision that can be made. My husband and I are both carriers of a rare genetic disease, we will have to either never have children, or wonder about bringing a child into the world who will have a really hard time of it...and a life expectancy of five to ten years. I am glad to have a choice. Would you want that choice taken from me? Would you want that choice taken away from DiamondFan at 18? My 17yr old drug abusing student? How about your daughter? The extremes are wrong. Abortion is never a great idea, no one rejoices in having that done, but I rejoice that there are decisions that we can make; its not like we can un-invent the procedure. I was just reading your posts and hoped to, i don''t know, relieve some of your frustration.
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Date: 9/17/2008 6:14:39 PM
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Date: 9/17/2008 5:31:44 PM
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OMG! That is flat-out ridiculous. I don''t care if you''re pro-choice or not!Date: 9/17/2008 5:16:52 PM
Author: SarahLovesJS
Ooh this makes mehttp://ruleofreason.blogspot.com/2008/09/palins-down-syndrome-child-and-right-to.htm. I guess pro-choice only means one choice: abortion? As a person who has mentally and physically disabled person in my family..I cannot comprehend how someone could actually write something like this supporting something I thought we had moved past: eugenics.
ETA: Let me clarify before anyone gets offended..by pro-choice I meant this author ONLY. Not anyone here..as I consider myself pro-choice, so I''d be insulting myself as well.(Again, talking about the author).
Yeah, that blog made no sense at all to me...Sarah, just speaking as someone who is Pro-Choice, and this is my first time ever to discuss abortion because its such a difficult topic; legislation should never be phrased as an all or nothing...both sides make a mess of it when they go to the extremes. The farthest left advocating for ''partial-birth'' and the farthest right saying, even if Mom dies, the life of the fetus is more important...both are mindless in their rigidity. My hope is to keep abortion, as the Democratic party platform says, ''legal and rare.'' I have been involved several times in friends and students having to make decisions, and I am so glad that there is a decision that can be made. My husband and I are both carriers of a rare genetic disease, we will have to either never have children, or wonder about bringing a child into the world who will have a really hard time of it...and a life expectancy of five to ten years. I am glad to have a choice. Would you want that choice taken from me? Would you want that choice taken away from DiamondFan at 18? My 17yr old drug abusing student? How about your daughter? The extremes are wrong. Abortion is never a great idea, no one rejoices in having that done, but I rejoice that there are decisions that we can make; its not like we can un-invent the procedure. I was just reading your posts and hoped to, i don''t know, relieve some of your frustration.
I agree, having a choice is great, and the extremes drive me nuts..I just think personally once you''ve waited past a certain point..you''ve made your choice to have that baby. What''s the point? Well I''d have to do more research to answer that question definitively, so I am not going to try right now. But like I said..I am pro-choice, but not pro-partial birth abortion and also thank you, I am glad I am not the only one bothered by the article, so you did def. relieve the frustration!
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Haha whomever did it just got themselves a date with the FBI...unless, of course, it was Obama's people & he wins.
ETA: My dad is younger than McCain & doesn't know how to send email, either. How shameful of the Obama campaign to mock McCain's POW injuries. Link This was written EIGHT years ago & states, "McCain's severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes." I guess that makes him unqualified to be President.
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Date: 9/17/2008 9:27:34 PM
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Date: 9/17/2008 6:14:39 PM
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Date: 9/17/2008 5:31:44 PM
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OMG! That is flat-out ridiculous. I don''t care if you''re pro-choice or not!Date: 9/17/2008 5:16:52 PM
Author: SarahLovesJS
Ooh this makes mehttp://ruleofreason.blogspot.com/2008/09/palins-down-syndrome-child-and-right-to.htm. I guess pro-choice only means one choice: abortion? As a person who has mentally and physically disabled person in my family..I cannot comprehend how someone could actually write something like this supporting something I thought we had moved past: eugenics.
ETA: Let me clarify before anyone gets offended..by pro-choice I meant this author ONLY. Not anyone here..as I consider myself pro-choice, so I''d be insulting myself as well.(Again, talking about the author).
Yeah, that blog made no sense at all to me...Sarah, just speaking as someone who is Pro-Choice, and this is my first time ever to discuss abortion because its such a difficult topic; legislation should never be phrased as an all or nothing...both sides make a mess of it when they go to the extremes. The farthest left advocating for ''partial-birth'' and the farthest right saying, even if Mom dies, the life of the fetus is more important...both are mindless in their rigidity. My hope is to keep abortion, as the Democratic party platform says, ''legal and rare.'' I have been involved several times in friends and students having to make decisions, and I am so glad that there is a decision that can be made. My husband and I are both carriers of a rare genetic disease, we will have to either never have children, or wonder about bringing a child into the world who will have a really hard time of it...and a life expectancy of five to ten years. I am glad to have a choice. Would you want that choice taken from me? Would you want that choice taken away from DiamondFan at 18? My 17yr old drug abusing student? How about your daughter? The extremes are wrong. Abortion is never a great idea, no one rejoices in having that done, but I rejoice that there are decisions that we can make; its not like we can un-invent the procedure. I was just reading your posts and hoped to, i don''t know, relieve some of your frustration.
I agree, having a choice is great, and the extremes drive me nuts..I just think personally once you''ve waited past a certain point..you''ve made your choice to have that baby. What''s the point? Well I''d have to do more research to answer that question definitively, so I am not going to try right now. But like I said..I am pro-choice, but not pro-partial birth abortion and also thank you, I am glad I am not the only one bothered by the article, so you did def. relieve the frustration!
I think that you are probably in popular company being pro-choice but not supportive of partial birth abortion. I agree with you. However, what goes on in the Dr./ patient relationship is really no one else''s business - especially not the governments.
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Hackers don't typically care about getting caught. In fact, depending on how hard it is, hackers get HIRED by companies once they are caught. In this case, I think it was absolutely moronic for her to have sent government related business via a private unsecured email account. Us regular folks get hacked everyday, why did she think she would be immune?
And for the record, I highly doubt the Obama campaign was attempting to mock him for his POW injuries. I can't imagine that even without them he'd use email. I happen to know a very good friend of McCain's who uses absolutely no email. He's a bit older but they're still of the same generation. The most modern piece of technology I saw that he used was a telephone. It doesn't mean he is incompetent. Hell, I think he's brilliant and I have the utmost respect for him, but I would consider him out of touch with many younger Americans (which I think is what Obama was trying to get at).
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Date: 9/17/2008 9:38:05 PM
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Haha whomever did it just got themselves a date with the FBI...unless, of course, it was Obama''s people & he wins.
ETA: My dad is younger than McCain & doesn''t know how to send email, either. How shameful of the Obama campaign to mock McCain''s POW injuries. Link This was written EIGHT years ago & states, ''McCain''s severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes.'' I guess that makes him unqualified to be President.Talk about no class.
Re: Palin''s e-mail. Oh my God..and I was starting to calm down!
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Date: 9/17/2008 9:58:19 PM
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Hackers don''t typically care about getting caught. In fact, depending on how hard it is, hackers get HIRED by companies once they are caught. In this case, I think it was absolutely moronic for her to have sent government related business via a private unsecured email account. Us regular folks get hacked everyday, why did she think she would be immune?
And for the record, I highly doubt the Obama campaign was attempting to mock him for his POW injuries. I can''t imagine that even without them he''d use email. I happen to know a very good friend of McCain''s who uses absolutely no email. He''s a bit older but they''re still of the same generation. The most modern piece of technology I saw that he used was a telephone. It doesn''t mean he is incompetent. Hell, I think he''s brilliant and I have the utmost respect for him, but I would consider him out of touch with many younger Americans (which I think is what Obama was trying to get at).
No I don''t think Obama was trying to mock him in the ad..but I do question whether or not he was trying to mock him at a rally where he described McCain''s ad and posed his shoulders like McCain''s.
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Date: 9/17/2008 10:02:08 PM
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Date: 9/17/2008 9:58:19 PM
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Hackers don''t typically care about getting caught. In fact, depending on how hard it is, hackers get HIRED by companies once they are caught. In this case, I think it was absolutely moronic for her to have sent government related business via a private unsecured email account. Us regular folks get hacked everyday, why did she think she would be immune?
And for the record, I highly doubt the Obama campaign was attempting to mock him for his POW injuries. I can''t imagine that even without them he''d use email. I happen to know a very good friend of McCain''s who uses absolutely no email. He''s a bit older but they''re still of the same generation. The most modern piece of technology I saw that he used was a telephone. It doesn''t mean he is incompetent. Hell, I think he''s brilliant and I have the utmost respect for him, but I would consider him out of touch with many younger Americans (which I think is what Obama was trying to get at).
No I don''t think Obama was trying to mock him in the ad..but I do question whether or not he was trying to mock him at a rally where he described McCain''s ad and posed his shoulders like McCain''s.
We can agree to disagree.
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Date: 9/17/2008 10:05:17 PM
Author: MoonWater
Date: 9/17/2008 10:02:08 PM
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Date: 9/17/2008 9:58:19 PM
Author: MoonWater
Hackers don''t typically care about getting caught. In fact, depending on how hard it is, hackers get HIRED by companies once they are caught. In this case, I think it was absolutely moronic for her to have sent government related business via a private unsecured email account. Us regular folks get hacked everyday, why did she think she would be immune?
And for the record, I highly doubt the Obama campaign was attempting to mock him for his POW injuries. I can''t imagine that even without them he''d use email. I happen to know a very good friend of McCain''s who uses absolutely no email. He''s a bit older but they''re still of the same generation. The most modern piece of technology I saw that he used was a telephone. It doesn''t mean he is incompetent. Hell, I think he''s brilliant and I have the utmost respect for him, but I would consider him out of touch with many younger Americans (which I think is what Obama was trying to get at).
No I don''t think Obama was trying to mock him in the ad..but I do question whether or not he was trying to mock him at a rally where he described McCain''s ad and posed his shoulders like McCain''s.
We can agree to disagree.
Sounds good!
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More on the e-mail hacking. http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/09/17/left-wing-group-hacks-palinss-email/ If this article is correct, then so far it appears she was following protocol in using her personal e-mail for non-government-appropriate e-mails. But more will come out, so we''ll see.
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I take all of these things are good signs for McCain; people must really be getting desparate to find some more dirt on her if they're hacking into her email now. She must've been smart enough not to keep anything "bad" in her email. The left-wing bloggers are just as guilty as the hackers themselves. The FBI should swoop in and stop this ASAP; I'd feel that way if ANYONE had this happen to them. If Biden's email got hacked you know that those same bloggers would be furious with conspiracy theories about how McCain's people did it. I'm still waiting on Obama & Biden's expense statements from their years in the Senate...Date: 9/17/2008 10:00:45 PM
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Date: 9/17/2008 9:38:05 PM
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Haha whomever did it just got themselves a date with the FBI...unless, of course, it was Obama's people & he wins.
ETA: My dad is younger than McCain & doesn't know how to send email, either. How shameful of the Obama campaign to mock McCain's POW injuries. Link This was written EIGHT years ago & states, 'McCain's severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes.' I guess that makes him unqualified to be President.Talk about no class.
Re: Palin's e-mail. Oh my God..and I was starting to calm down!I am absolutely disgusted about this. And guess what? Her e-mails are now all over the internet..and one left-wing blog has even posted her personal images as well as a voicemail from Bristol. That's right..they called..and recorded a voicemail! But guess what? They still didn't manage to find anything except that she sent some 'state' e-mails from her personal account. Big freaking deal.These people are facing JAIL TIME. Hacking is a FEDERAL CRIME.
Also, does anyone else think that Obama was dumb to even say anything about using email in his ads? I mean EVERYONE knows that older adults are the biggest voting demographic & literally decide elections...I'm sure some of them don't use email. Plus, whether or not he was mocking McCain you'd think that he wouldn't CONTINUE on saying things that are obviously going to be "misconstrued" as mockery. If someone can't type on a keyboard because of POW injuries OBVIOUSLY you don't say anything about them not being able to send email. Just seems illogical...
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Date: 9/17/2008 10:10:26 PM
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I take all of these things are good signs for McCain; people must really be getting desparate to find some more dirt on her if they're hacking into her email now. She must've been smart enough not to keep anything 'bad' in her email. The left-wing bloggers are just as guilty as the hackers themselves. The FBI should swoop in and stop this ASAP; I'd feel that way if ANYONE had this happen to them. If Biden's email got hacked you know that those same bloggers would be furious with conspiracy theories about how McCain's people did it. I'm still waiting on Obama & Biden's expense statements from their years in the Senate...Date: 9/17/2008 10:00:45 PM
Author: SarahLovesJS
Date: 9/17/2008 9:38:05 PM
Author: IndyGirl22
Haha whomever did it just got themselves a date with the FBI...unless, of course, it was Obama's people & he wins.
ETA: My dad is younger than McCain & doesn't know how to send email, either. How shameful of the Obama campaign to mock McCain's POW injuries. Link This was written EIGHT years ago & states, 'McCain's severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes.' I guess that makes him unqualified to be President.Talk about no class.
Re: Palin's e-mail. Oh my God..and I was starting to calm down!I am absolutely disgusted about this. And guess what? Her e-mails are now all over the internet..and one left-wing blog has even posted her personal images as well as a voicemail from Bristol. That's right..they called..and recorded a voicemail! But guess what? They still didn't manage to find anything except that she sent some 'state' e-mails from her personal account. Big freaking deal.These people are facing JAIL TIME. Hacking is a FEDERAL CRIME.
Also, does anyone else think that Obama was dumb to even say anything about using email in his ads? I mean EVERYONE knows that older adults are the biggest voting demographic & literally decide elections...I'm sure some of them don't use email. Plus, whether or not he was mocking McCain you'd think that he wouldn't CONTINUE on saying things that are obviously going to be 'misconstrued' as mockery. If someone can't type on a keyboard because of POW injuries OBVIOUSLY you don't say anything about them not being able to send email. Just seems illogical...
No more illogical than repeating the same lies in your ads and speeches over and over again even after they have been proven false countless times and when directly confronted with it, still claim it's not false.
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So two illogicals = logical? My point was that Obama has a tendency to do/say something that will be construed in a negative way by many people & then go back & say that he didn't mean it in a certain way. It would just be easier for him to stop & think before doing/saying, correct? (Goes for both candidates, obviously, but we were talking about the Obama ad.)Date: 9/17/2008 10:15:34 PM
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No more illogical than repeating the same lies in your ads and speeches over and over again even after they have been proven false countless times and when directly confronted with it, still claim it's not false.
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Date: 9/17/2008 10:22:51 PM
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So two illogicals = logical? My point was that Obama has a tendency to do/say something that will be construed in a negative way by many people & then go back & say that he didn''t mean it in a certain way. It would just be easier for him to stop & think before doing/saying, correct? (Goes for both candidates, obviously, but we were talking about the Obama ad.)Date: 9/17/2008 10:15:34 PM
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No more illogical than repeating the same lies in your ads and speeches over and over again even after they have been proven false countless times and when directly confronted with it, still claim it''s not false.
Indy, you do realize that most times when people bring up criticisms of either McCain or Palin you immediate reference something Obama or Biden has done. All I did was the same thing. Nothing I said implied that "two illogicals = logicals."
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