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DiamondDust13

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Hi,
I have a natural 1.26 ct Princess cut Fancy Yellow Brown diamond, with quite a lot of color to it. I am interested in getting it certified by GIA, however it has a huge black inclusion taking up a good portion of the center of the stone. From 30 cm away it is less detectable within the diamond's fire. Does the inclusion make this diamond invaluable? Would such a stone get any attention with the cut ct weight and color?
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Thank you for any opinions. browndiamond2.JPG :)
 
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I don't understand your question. Are you wondring if folks think there is a buyer for a stone like this?
 
Hi Kalidiamond,
IMO, you'd be throwing good money after bad.
The GIA report will cost $159- and I don't see how it will make the diamond more valuable.
 
rockysalamander said:
I don't understand your question. Are you wondring if folks think there is a buyer for a stone like this?
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Would this piece be worth the time and money for getting it GIA certified? That is another question I have: Would anybody be interested in this Brown Princess cut diamond?
 
Rockdiamond said:
Hi Kalidiamond,
IMO, you'd be throwing good money after bad.
The GIA report will cost $159- and I don't see how it will make the diamond more valuable.
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Thankyou for the honesty Rockdiamond, Do you think it could sell even at rock bottom price? Or is it "unsellable"?
 
With fancy color diamonds clarity and cut factors are secondary to color and overall visual appeal. The inclusion would not diminish the value as much as it would for a white diamond. Having said that, it is not worth as much as it would be with better clarity.

Finding a retail buyer for it is not easy, but at some price you would have takers. Most likely you would need to have a GIA cert in that case. alternatively you could offer it to a dealer who sells fancy color. You would not need to spend the money for the cert in that case.
 
KaliDiamond said:
Would this piece be worth the time and money for getting it GIA certified? That is another question I have: Would anybody be interested in this Brown Princess cut diamond?
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As Bryan said, at some price, you will find a buyer- but in the case of such an imperfect brown stone, the price will be very low.
Although I agree that clarity takes a lesser role in Natural Fancy Colored Diamonds than it does in colorless stones, clarity is still important to many buyers.
 
Texas Leaguer said:
With fancy color diamonds clarity and cut factors are secondary to color and overall visual appeal. The inclusion would not diminish the value as much as it would for a white diamond. Having said that, it is not worth as much as it would be with better clarity.

Finding a retail buyer for it is not easy, but at some price you would have takers. Most likely you would need to have a GIA cert in that case. alternatively you could offer it to a dealer who sells fancy color. You would not need to spend the money for the cert in that case.
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Thank you for the helpful advice. I was not confident in this diamond at first but after a good cleaning it definitely sparkles. I would rather spend extra getting the GIA certification if it will help attract interest.
 
Rockdiamond said:
As Bryan said, at some price, you will find a buyer- but in the case of such an imperfect brown stone, the price will be very low.
Although I agree that clarity takes a lesser role in Natural Fancy Colored Diamonds than it does in colorless stones, clarity is still important to many buyers.
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Is it worth the time to look for an old setting? Possibly in a ring or pendant with a halo? Would there be a chance of less emphasis on the clarity of the brown diamond for the buyer?
 
@KaliDiamond I am curious - Fancy Yellow Brown is a very specific color call. Are you sure it does not already have a GIA cert?
Also, that call is better than Fancy Brown, or Fancy Yellowish Brown. The stone does look attractive to me. I can't tell what is the inclusion and what is lint on the table. It is also pictured with some pinks including rough.
Do you know the backstory?
 
Texas Leaguer said:
@KaliDiamond I am curious - Fancy Yellow Brown is a very specific color call. Are you sure it does not already have a GIA cert?
Also, that call is better than Fancy Brown, or Fancy Yellowish Brown. The stone does look attractive to me. I can't tell what is the inclusion and what is lint on the table. It is also pictured with some pinks including rough.
Do you know the backstory?
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Thank you, Yes, I do know the backstory. I am also still in contact with the dealer from which I purchased this piece. I have saved the video that he made.
I have acquired the pinks and rough pinks through the same website with a few different vendors. I can track down each diamond to the vendor through my history. to my knowledge, only the smallest pink princess and the .96 ct k vs2 princess have GIA certifications. They are from James Allen.
 
KaliDiamond said:
Thank you, Yes, I do know the backstory. I am also still in contact with the dealer from which I purchased this piece. I have saved the video that he made.
I have acquired the pinks and rough pinks through the same website with a few different vendors. I can track down each diamond to the vendor through my history. to my knowledge, only the smallest pink princess and the .96 ct k vs2 princess have GIA certifications. They are from James Allen.
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a. Some ppl like that look ! As far as I remember, it was a couple of ppl who looked for salt and pepper diamonds!
 
Unfortunately both princess cut and fancy brown diamonds are currently “out of favour”. I imagine that the current “trend” for black diamonds and salt and pepper diamonds will soon go that way too.
Personally, I would set it before trying to sell it. Perhaps into a yellow gold pendant. Get a GIA report if you like (some people expect these).
The ordinary buying public are overwhelmed by the concept of a “loose stone” and prefer the “ready to wear” option. I think there would be less interest in fancy brown diamonds rings (and there’s usually the resizing hassle) than a pendant. A fancy brown is a bit “edgy” so it has more appeal in a pendant setting in my humble opinion.
 
I think what's in favor is dependant on many factors. I like to look at diamonds in a way that is beyond the labels we give them.
If 10000 people are looking to buy a diamond today, and only 100 are looking for a brown diamond, they may not be "popular" but the percentage that loves them really loves them. Brown diamonds have always been polarizing- yet they've also been loved by that small percentage for a long time- well before someone decided to call them Chocolate.

Having said all this- to the OP- if the intention is to sell that particular diamond, I'd honestly say a private individual selling such a stone would be looking at a very low price.
The stone has a far lower value than even a white I1 diamond.
 
Rockdiamond said:
I think what's in favor is dependant on many factors. I like to look at diamonds in a way that is beyond the labels we give them.
If 10000 people are looking to buy a diamond today, and only 100 are looking for a brown diamond, they may not be "popular" but the percentage that loves them really loves them. Brown diamonds have always been polarizing- yet they've also been loved by that small percentage for a long time- well before someone decided to call them Chocolate.

Having said all this- to the OP- if the intention is to sell that particular diamond, I'd honestly say a private individual selling such a stone would be looking at a very low price.
The stone has a far lower value than even a white I1 diamond.
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I would definitely consider selling at a very low price. I bought it low priced as well. I might post it in the 1.5k-2k range? If no luck, I would still consider getting it set.
 
KaliDiamond said:
I would definitely consider selling at a very low price. I bought it low priced as well. I might post it in the 1.5k-2k range? If no luck, I would still consider getting it set.
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Thank you about our ring

In terms of price-‘IMO a Brown stone in the I1 clarity range - with no GIA report- would sell for a lot less than $2k if it was being offered by an established dealer. Meaning a private seller would get even less. But hey- maybe you’ll get lucky!
 
FYI for reference. Yours looks a little nicer than these so I would take that into account. These are brown diamonds that have "sold" so you
can see what they sold for. Some these have paperwork by not very reliable labs. Yours is bigger and has a nicer color than these so you'll have
to take all that into consideration.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cert-1-07-...405663?hash=item3f95471e5f:g:tWYAAOSwn-NalS2x
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-02-cts-C...108550?hash=item2139691446:g:3gEAAOSwn9Vacjte
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cert-0-90-...706773?hash=item3f94761715:g:AKkAAOSwQiFaiEmk
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-01-cts-C...922343?hash=item2139387627:g:EMIAAOSwY7tac-XN
 
tyty333 said:
FYI for reference. Yours looks a little nicer than these so I would take that into account. These are brown diamonds that have "sold" so you
can see what they sold for. Some these have paperwork by not very reliable labs. Yours is bigger and has a nicer color than these so you'll have
to take all that into consideration.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cert-1-07-...405663?hash=item3f95471e5f:g:tWYAAOSwn-NalS2x
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-02-cts-C...108550?hash=item2139691446:g:3gEAAOSwn9Vacjte
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cert-0-90-...706773?hash=item3f94761715:g:AKkAAOSwQiFaiEmk
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-01-cts-C...922343?hash=item2139387627:g:EMIAAOSwY7tac-XN
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Thank you, That's fantastic. I may be able to achieve my goal. Now I will send it to GIA for a full color report/origin report.
 
We dealers like to labor under the impression that we ALWAYS get a better price than privates.

Back in the early 80's, I had a client who had bought a few things from me come into my office with a nice Marquise that he inherited from his mother's estate.

It was in a so so ring and he had a ridiculous appraisal on it for 20k. I told him I thought it should retail for about 7k and he should be prepared to take anything over 4k. I told him honestly that I could make that ring and retail it for $5,500 to $6,000 all day long and be happy doing it.

He told me I was nuts and went out and sold it privately for $12,000. I jokingly offered him a job as a salesman as he must be really good to sell something for nearly twice what it was worth, especially when he knew what it was worth.

He got kind of cranky and I never saw him again...

The point being, that while we professionals know what we think things should and will sell for, we are often wrong, especially when it comes to things that are unusual and bought between seller and buyer who both appreciate the beauty of that unusual item.

Wink

P.S. FWIW, in today's market that diamond alone is easily worth well over 15k at wholesale.
 
Wink said:
We dealers like to labor under the impression that we ALWAYS get a better price than privates.

Back in the early 80's, I had a client who had bought a few things from me come into my office with a nice Marquise that he inherited from his mother's estate.

It was in a so so ring and he had a ridiculous appraisal on it for 20k. I told him I thought it should retail for about 7k and he should be prepared to take anything over 4k. I told him honestly that I could make that ring and retail it for $5,500 to $6,000 all day long and be happy doing it.

He told me I was nuts and went out and sold it privately for $12,000. I jokingly offered him a job as a salesman as he must be really good to sell something for nearly twice what it was worth, especially when he knew what it was worth.

He got kind of cranky and I never saw him again...

The point being, that while we professionals know what we think things should and will sell for, we are often wrong, especially when it comes to things that are unusual and bought between seller and buyer who both appreciate the beauty of that unusual item.

Wink

P.S. FWIW, in today's market that diamond alone is easily worth well over 15k at wholesale.
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Thank You Wink! Selling to a private buyer would be the ultimate goal. How could I go about increasing my chances of finding a private buyer for this particular Brown diamond after it is GIA certified?
 
PSers sell through diamond bistro and loupe troop a lot of times.

You can add a post to the pre-loved forum with a link to db, LT, or ebay. That will give you exposure here.
https://www.pricescope.com/community/forums/preloved-ps-jewels.92/

As far as other people I would think ebay would get you the most exposure but beware of scammers.
 
center.JPG another view to emphasize the inclusion in the center facet.
 
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I think that your biggest problem is the nature of the inclusion. Salt and pepper diamonds are just that - a sprinkled integration of inclusions. Your diamond seems to have one big black blob in the center of the stone. As a result, to my eye, it doesn't look 'rustic', it just looks like a brown diamond with a big black blob in the middle. It would be difficult to set this stone in an attractive manner. I doubt you'll get 1k for it - and I love brown diamonds, rustic pieces, and would happily set a square cut stone. I think your main market will be someone who wants a big bargain - a deeeep discount - that kind of thing.

For 2k I can buy a certified .76ct J VS2 princess cut on Blue Nile, with ring-quality specs, a return period, and an upgrade policy. Even for brown and rustic stones, people are still looking to make a sensible, cost-effective choice.
 
mrs-b said:
I think that your biggest problem is the nature of the inclusion. Salt and pepper diamonds are just that - a sprinkled integration of inclusions. Your diamond seems to have one big black blob in the center of the stone. As a result, to my eye, it doesn't look 'rustic', it just looks like a brown diamond with a big black blob in the middle. It would be difficult to set this stone in an attractive manner. I doubt you'll get 1k for it - and I love brown diamonds, rustic pieces, and would happily set a square cut stone. I think your main market will be someone who wants a big bargain - a deeeep discount - that kind of thing.

For 2k I can buy a certified .76ct J VS2 princess cut on Blue Nile, with ring-quality specs, a return period, and an upgrade policy. Even for brown and rustic stones, people are still looking to make a sensible, cost-effective choice.
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The plan is to get this diamond GIA certified within this month. I did find it at a great price, but if selling it in a setting would be more attractive then I would love to make/find a setting for it.
 
Mrs-b is making a great point. Of course I wish you all the best of luck selling it, but I’d be very surprised if you could even get $1000 for it. I honestly think it’s throwing good money after bad spending $159 for a GIA report – But whatever you do good luck!
 
Rockdiamond said:
Mrs-b is making a great point. Of course I wish you all the best of luck selling it, but I’d be very surprised if you could even get $1000 for it. I honestly think it’s throwing good money after bad spending $159 for a GIA report – But whatever you do good luck!
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Thank you Rockdiamond. I agree absolutely with the likeliness of getting under $1000. That's why I don't think it could hurt to have just the color origin certificate.
 
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