Expert guidiance needed for EC

[megeve]

Hi, This is my first posting but I have been reading diligently in this forum for the past weeks and thanks to you guys out there, I have found a few stones but I need your expertise to determine the winner.

Stone 1

EC
Carat: 2.15
Color: F VS1
Size: 8.61 x 6.31 x 4.21
Cut: Ideal
Depth: 66.7% (Sarin: 66.0%)
Table: 61% (off-centre 0.5%) (Sarin: 60.3%)
Crown H: 12.7% Cr. A: 1 (44.4%),2 (20.9%), 3 (35.3%)
Pav. D: 50.9% Pa.A: 1 (38%), 2 (56.0%), 3 (33.9%)
Girdle: M 2.3%
Cutlet: None (off center 1.4%) (will this off center be a problem for optic and light performance?)
Flourescence: N
Polish: EX
Sym: VG

stone 2

EC
Carat: 2.04
Color: E VS1
Size: 8.86x6.18x3.98
Cut: Ideal
Depth; 64.4% (Sarin: 63.3%)
Table: 63% (Sarin: 64%)
Crown H: 12% (Sarin: Cr. A: 1 (40.4%), 2 (32.2%)
Pav. D: 48.9% (Sarin: Pav. A: 1 (40.9%), 2 (54.7%), 3 (33.4%)
Girdle: sl. Tk 2.4%
Cutlet: None (Sarin: off center 0.3%)
Fl: None
Polish: VG
Sym: VG


Stone 3

EC
Carat: 2.15
Color: E VS1
Size: 9.17x 6.41x4.16
Cut: Ideal
Depth: 64.9% (Sarin: 63.7%)
Table: 62% (Sarin: 64%)
Crown H: 12.3% (Sarin: Cr. A: 39.5% - thats all the info I have)
Pav. D: 49.7% (Sarin: Pav. A: 40.7% - ditto -)
Girdle: thin 1.7%
cutlet: none
Fl: faint
Polish: VG
Sym: VG


Stone 4

EC
Carat: 2.02
Color: F VVS1
Size: 8.44x6.32x4.18
Cut: Ideal
Depth: 66.1%
Table: 60%
Crown H: 13.3%
Pav. D: 49.4%
Girdle: thick
Cotlet: P
Fl: none
Polish: EX
Sym: VG



I am quite disappointed that Sarin report for stones 2 & 3 Dep. & table turned out to be different from the stats given in website but I have posted the stats here with the hope that maybe one or both may turn out as a winner?

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As for stone 4, I was told that they could not give more information as the stone is overseas. So PS experts, please give me your opinion what do I do next? Should I continue asking for more informations or should I drop it and start searching anew? Your help is greatly appreciated!

 

[Lorelei]

Hi Megeve,

Variance with the numbers can happen with Sarin reports, as this has detailed measurements of the diamond, and these may vary to those of the grading reports. Unfortunately you can't tell much at all by the numbers for EC's, so I would ask your vendor/s for photographs of the diamonds, and ASET images if available. That way you can get an idea of how each diamond looks. Some also consider VVS clarity overkill, but that depends on your preference. If the diamond was for me, I would look among VVS and VS clarities as you have done, but possibly VS would be fine enough.

See info on ASET here

 

[megeve]

Thanks Lorelei. I have written to ask for ASET images, will try to post it here. However, I am not sure how to go about it (posting photos into the forum). Could you please explain in what way clarity VVS could overkill?

Sorry about the insert in the above posting, before submitting I saw only the confused face but now it has alot of jargon around it!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 5/14/2008 9:44:12 AM
Author: megeve
Thanks Lorelei. I have written to ask for ASET images, will try to post it here. However, I am not sure how to go about it (posting photos into the forum). Could you please explain in what way clarity VVS could overkill?

Sorry about the insert in the above posting, before submitting I saw only the confused face but now it has alot of jargon around it!

LOL - no worries! Regarding VVS, some here think it is overkill for a clarity grade, in as much that VS clarity could be eyeclean in an EC, so I just thought I would mention it. However, if I was considering an EC, I would consider VVS as it can be hard to find well cut diamonds in this shape, to broaden the options. It is a personal preference, some prefer VVS clarity for purity reasons also, it was just that you may be able to find a very clean VS clarity instead of going further up the scale.

I will find a link for you which should help with posting the images....back in a moment!

Here you go - https://www.pricescope.com/forum/faq1/how-to-upload-reduce-pictures-for-posting-t41381.html

 

[megeve]

Okay, I have received IS images for the 3 stones but not the ASET as I was told that a ASET veiwer is not available as they do not receive enough requests for it. Is it usual for a PS vendor not to have such viewer???

I am trying to post these images, so please bear with me.

 

[megeve]

Help!!! I have tried but it kept telling me that I exceed the size of 100 mgbt and I do not know how to scale it down!!!!

 

[Lorelei]

I am NO expert with pics

, you can always email them to admin and they will post it for you. Have you tried renaming the file with no unusual characters? Some have ASET and some don't it depends.

 

[strmrdr]

Different scanners and different settings on the scanners report the numbers in different ways for step cuts like EC, which is why you cant go by numbers and need pictures.
Some vendors haven''t kept up with the times with aset images.
Since most vendors mostly do rounds where the IS is just as good they don''t want to spend the time and money on an ASET setup.

Table, crown height, depth and girdle are the only useful numbers.
There are a lot of different combinations of angles that can make a great EC and two with exactly the same numbers can look totally different.
The positions of the facets is just as important as the angles with step cuts.

 

[megeve]

@ Strmrdr Thanks for your reponse. I was hoping that you might drop in as I have read alot of other EC threads where you have given your advices/opinions. Thus led me to search under the criterium of smaller table than depth, high crown height and girdle, However, despite the high crown heights of said stone, the IS images are disappointing. Mainly pink, little streaks of red along the girdle, lots of whites on the corners and down the corner steps, one-sided black streak in 1 and the other 2 black streak running parallel along the length of table. I have made comparison with the IS Fancy cut reference, it came out fair!

So, what's your opinion, should I continue looking, if so, what should I look for? If you were searching for a EC, how would you personally go about it, would you go through with me step by step to the right direction? Any help from you or anyone out there, is much appreciated!

 

[strmrdr]

that actually sounds like a pretty good is image...
here is an example, like asschers there are many different looks in EC so it doesn't have to look exactly like this.
The important points are red out to the edges in the center strait part of the stone and red in the center and not white.(small line line with red around it center can be ok)
Broken up red on the ends is normal as is the black forming the patterns in the center.

 

[strmrdr]

slightly different look...

 

[strmrdr]

here is a bad one:

 

[megeve]

Strmrdr: The images I have do not look at all like the ones you have post! However, I have emailed Admin and Andrey is such a dear that she will post them for me. Thank you Andrey!

Strmrdr: Would you take a look at them? Thank you!

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 5/15/2008 3:25:09 PM
Author: megeve
Strmrdr: The images I have do not look at all like the ones you have post! However, I have emailed Admin and Andrey is such a dear that she will post them for me. Thank you Andrey!

Strmrdr: Would you take a look at them? Thank you!

sure will
it might be late tonight depending on when they are posted before I can look at them.
Im going to my brothers for dinner tonight and will be offline.

 

[megeve]

Yippiiiiii, I have done it!!!!!!!!!!!! This image is stone 1 (I hope so, I don''t see any image?????)

 

[megeve]

Oh, I am glad it worked. Heres stone 2

 

[megeve]

Sorry, I could only do one after the other. Here is stone 3.

 

[strmrdr]

I can see the pics but im too tired tonight and the pics are to badly taken to even start to comment until im awake but I thought I would tell you they are showing.

storm who is off to bed.

 

[megeve]

Have a good night sleep, Strmrdr! Hope you had a great evening before. Talk to you later.

 

[strmrdr]

Get regular pictures of 1 and 3.. I don't see the picture for 4 so get a regular picture of it also.
Hopefully the vendor can do a good job on regular pictures.
Also recommend the vendor contact Garry for information on taking IS images.

 

[megeve]

This is a pic of stone 1. I am asking them now to send me a pic for 3. As I mentioned above, vendor cannot provide me with pic, IS or ASETas the stone is overseas. I have only specs and crown height.

 

[megeve]

Sorry, I meant to say for 4, vendor could not provide pic, ASET or IS as stone is overseas. I have only the specs.

 

[strmrdr]

I cant make out enough from the pics to make a call on them.

If the vendor cant provide decent pictures I would switch vendors.
good pictures are vital to buying these remotely.
Id recomend Jon at www.goodoldgold.com or Mark at http://www.engagementringsdirect.com/

 

[megeve]

I think its my fault. I just cant post a clearer pic. However, here you can see the real diamond image:

1 http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?find=1&cid=130&item=1136234

2 http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?find=1&cid=130&item=1136234

3 was told diamond is no longer available

4 ditto

PS: IS images are exactly how they sent to me.

 

[strmrdr]

both links are the same one and its a no go.

 

[megeve]

Thanks for your opinion, much appreciated!

Meanwhile, I have a stone from another vendor (PS vendor sourcing stone for me. I am a bit frustrated because I cant seem to find a winner even sticking to the ec cut chart). I have only the specs (no listing in site), computer generated images of IS, ASET and sarin. I have attached the IS more or less the exact image what he sent me. But I couldnt get an exact brightness and color out of the aset image, so not posting it. Vendor has this stone kept on hold till monday and I should then decide whether to call it in for actual images. Please help!

The stats:

EC 2.08 E VVS2
EX ( I take it its the cut)
GIA
tn-stk
n
EX/VG
f
63.2
64
8.73x6.30x3.98
R: 1.39:1
$23,107ps

 

[megeve]

Just saw the is image, it should be dark pink almost to red instead of lighter pink as shown above.

I am abit concerned about the cutlet being off center by 25.7% as stated in sarin but vendor clarify that its 2.7%. Even with 2.7%, is there a need to be concerned?

Also, a bit concerned that the table is slightly larger than depth. Any cause for this? I dont want a glassy look!!

Heres the Sarin report:

 

[strmrdr]

not a good one either...
my advise is stop going by numbers and work with a vendor who will work with a supplier to get what you want. keep the table size small and have the vendor hunt.
expand your depth requirement a bit out to 68 at least to open up the possibilities.

 

[strmrdr]

just did a search, the pickins are very very slim, you need to work with a vendor with the contacts to work the phones.

 

[megeve]

Strmrdr: Appreciate your help and tip!

I have started to work with WF and the result is the stone 2.08 posted above which you said is a no go. I probably have to talk to them personally to get them to continue looking. On my own, I feel so helpless because the numbers even in ex or ideal cut are still not it.