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Geoffwa84

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Hi everyone,

I’ve gone down the rabbit hole trying to understand what makes a good asscher diamond.

My jeweller has recommended this diamond and while it initially looked good I’m worried the ASET and idealscope show too much leakage. Maybe these tools aren’t the best for fancy cuts.

Could I please get opinions on how it looks. Are the dark spots centre visible face on in the video ok?

Link- https://www.finestardiamonds.com/diamondview.aspx?pid=247096142
 
Geoffwa84 said:
Hi everyone,

I’ve gone down the rabbit hole trying to understand what makes a good asscher diamond.

My jeweller has recommended this diamond and while it initially looked good I’m worried the ASET and idealscope show too much leakage. Maybe these tools aren’t the best for fancy cuts.

Could I please get opinions on how it looks. Are the dark spots centre visible face on in the video ok?

Link- https://www.finestardiamonds.com/diamondview.aspx?pid=247096142
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Welcome to the happy (and stressful) engagement rings search!
First off, I’m thrilled you chose a step cut for the center stone! Hope your intended prefers Asschers/Emerald Cuts!! I’m a step cut queen.

There is a lot of info provided for this stone. All of which is extremely helpful, the ASET image, especially.
Fancy cuts require ASET images, along with other VA’s in order to be evaluated fairly, against their certs.
On paper, this stone would be appealing. However, as you suspected, this stone is extremely leaky, and is poorly cut; just look at the black hole in the center....
137A5543-4172-4A95-BD79-C8A291C6235D.pngC6BC2CC8-99C4-46B4-B99C-6D943E23562B.png

A beautifully cut Asscher is going to be bright, consistently, across the stone, from table to center, and back up to the table, as it is tilted. Each step should light & dim to the next in a step pattern, so not all steps are lit at the same time, and not all steps are dim at the same time.
This stone should be eliminated, pronto.
If you would like, I can search for candidates that may tick your boxes, and perform like little fire balls.
What are your preferences? Are you stuck in VVS+ clarity? Can you share your budget?
More than willing to help!!
This will be so exciting! You’re at the right place to find a beautiful engagement ring!!
If you want expert help, I’d suggest @Karl_K.
 
Drop your jeweler...apparently he/she doesnt know what a good asscher looks like either. Makes me feel sad saying that.

Are you located in the U.S?

We can help you find a better asscher or help with assessing what your jeweler finds. Hang in there! You're not alone!

Your eyes along with aset and idealscope are what are needed to evaluate an asscher so you're on the right path and looks
like you understand what you dont want to see in an asscher!
 
Thanks for the replies. I didn’t think that dark centre looked right and sadly I was right. I’m in Australia with a budget about $9400 USD. I am looking colourless so F, VVS1, at around 1.2ct. Shocking the jeweller who is well reputed said it was a good cut, but I guess Asscher isn’t that common for him.

So in this diamond too many steps are dim at once?
 
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Matthews1127 said:
Welcome to the happy (and stressful) engagement rings search!
First off, I’m thrilled you chose a step cut for the center stone! Hope your intended prefers Asschers/Emerald Cuts!! I’m a step cut queen.

There is a lot of info provided for this stone. All of which is extremely helpful, the ASET image, especially.
Fancy cuts require ASET images, along with other VA’s in order to be evaluated fairly, against their certs.
On paper, this stone would be appealing. However, as you suspected, this stone is extremely leaky, and is poorly cut; just look at the black hole in the center....
137A5543-4172-4A95-BD79-C8A291C6235D.pngC6BC2CC8-99C4-46B4-B99C-6D943E23562B.png

A beautifully cut Asscher is going to be bright, consistently, across the stone, from table to center, and back up to the table, as it is tilted. Each step should light & dim to the next in a step pattern, so not all steps are lit at the same time, and not all steps are dim at the same time.
This stone should be eliminated, pronto.
If you would like, I can search for candidates that may tick your boxes, and perform like little fire balls.
What are your preferences? Are you stuck in VVS+ clarity? Can you share your budget?
More than willing to help!!
This will be so exciting! You’re at the right place to find a beautiful engagement ring!!
If you want expert help, I’d suggest @Karl_K.
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Is this diamond better cut. It is more alternating in its light and dim steps.
Link- https://www.bluenile.com/au/diamond...NDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&catalogView=true
 
Geoffwa84 said:
Or should the diamond be super shiny with minimal dim like this one?

1.18-Carat Asscher Cut Diamond | Blue Nile AU

www.bluenile.com www.bluenile.com
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What you're seeing in this one is mostly light reflected off the table. What you want to see is crisp off-on alternating facets under the table, which this one doesn't appear to have. It's that crisp alternation of facets turning off and on that is "sparkle."
 

Don’t know if this is helpful, but it’s something to add to your research.
The corners are wider than what you’ve shown, and it has a small culet ( the center).
It’s exciting that you are on this quest, asschers are beautiful.
 
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Matthews1127 said:
Welcome to the happy (and stressful) engagement rings search!
First off, I’m thrilled you chose a step cut for the center stone! Hope your intended prefers Asschers/Emerald Cuts!! I’m a step cut queen.

There is a lot of info provided for this stone. All of which is extremely helpful, the ASET image, especially.
Fancy cuts require ASET images, along with other VA’s in order to be evaluated fairly, against their certs.
On paper, this stone would be appealing. However, as you suspected, this stone is extremely leaky, and is poorly cut; just look at the black hole in the center....
137A5543-4172-4A95-BD79-C8A291C6235D.pngC6BC2CC8-99C4-46B4-B99C-6D943E23562B.png

A beautifully cut Asscher is going to be bright, consistently, across the stone, from table to center, and back up to the table, as it is tilted. Each step should light & dim to the next in a step pattern, so not all steps are lit at the same time, and not all steps are dim at the same time.
This stone should be eliminated, pronto.
If you would like, I can search for candidates that may tick your boxes, and perform like little fire balls.
What are your preferences? Are you stuck in VVS+ clarity? Can you share your budget?
More than willing to help!!
This will be so exciting! You’re at the right place to find a beautiful engagement ring!!
If you want expert help, I’d suggest @Karl_K.
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I'm going to be contrary here ;) but I think the word 'leakage' here is incorrect - leakage would look the same as the background (because you could see through the stone), whereas the dark areas are likely to be reflecting the dark lens of the camera - in other words, the dark areas are obstruction/contrast that I think would be blue in an ASETscope image :P :)

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Is the camera too close to the stone, and therefore making the stone look darker / show more obstruction than it would in real life? It's impossible to know from the pictures - ASETscope images would be needed to confirm either way :))
 
Wait, hang on - the original listing page in the OP has the ASETscope image :) (as well as pictures of the rough and the diamond planning stage, which is cool! :)) )

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The centre is blue and black (on a white background) - both are obstruction, the black being the camera lens that would be where the eye is in the graphic in my previous post.

Apart from that, the areas of white are leakage showing the background.

So, overall, I think it's possible to do a lot better! :)


May I ask what the budget is and what the desired specs are?
 
It is dangerous to look at the goods of asscher specialists - so little else compares; another www.

I find one short rectangular step cut from BN intriguing: www - bright & spready; you will catch it flicker dark as it aligns with the camera, but only for a split second, like the darkness if H&A arrows is expected to. This is a matter of photographic setup also, but, bright step cuts are so not common, I am willing to give the benefit of this doubt.

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I am not seeing any square step cut to talk about yet.
 
OoohShiny said:
Wait, hang on - the original listing page in the OP has the ASETscope image :) (as well as pictures of the rough and the diamond planning stage, which is cool! :)) )

247096140.jpg


247096142.png


247096142.jpg


The centre is blue and black (on a white background) - both are obstruction, the black being the camera lens that would be where the eye is in the graphic in my previous post.

Apart from that, the areas of white are leakage showing the background.

So, overall, I think it's possible to do a lot better! :)


May I ask what the budget is and what the desired specs are?
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Bravo. You are correct.
Way to much reaction to obstruction.
 
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