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blingalicious

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I must first state that I am a regular poster here--but I signed up for an anonymous account because this is a really hard thing to write about, and my husband knows my screen name here and I don''t want him to see this. I am in a really bad emotional place, and I am so confused right now.

I have reasons to believe that my husband is being emotionally abusive towards me. I realize this may get a little long, so please bear with me--I really want to give an accurate portrayal of what has been going on.

Most of this stuff didn''t start until we got married. When we were first dating, yes, he was a little guarded emotionally, but as time went by he opened up a lot more. He has had a really horrible past--lost both his parents at a young age, and never really recovered from it. I know he has these emotional scars, and for the most part he dealt with them pretty well. He never did see a counselor or therapist for this stuff, and I really wish he would have, but his past happened well before I walked into his life.

We had been married for roughly 3 months and had our first big fight. It was stupid really, we were arguing over a class I needed to take for school. I wanted to take it at one university, he thought I should take it somewhere else. The debate got heated, he got really mad, and said he wasn''t cut out to be husband material. WHAT??!! It totally threw me for a loop. We had just gotten married, and this fight we were having had NOTHING to do with our marriage or relationship--it was about a stupid class. I was so shocked and stunned that I immediately went into protection mode and apologized and said that I loved him and never intended for anything bad to happen to our marriage. He ignored me for the rest of the night, and most of the next day, until he came home from work that next night and basically acted like nothing had happened. I never forgot him saying those words to me, and I knew he was serious--he was one of those people who would cut off his own nose to spite his face. He is very stubborn and would never admit he is in the wrong. So, for the next few months, everything was fine. He was back to the normal loving husband that he had been before the fight, so I pretty much chalked it up to a big fight where he said some things that he didn''t mean and went on with life.

Around our first anniversary, around 7-8 months after this divorce threat fight, all of a sudden he totally flipped on me. It was like we went to bed one night and everything was fine, and he got up the next morning and wouldn''t speak to me. I thought maybe he didn''t feel good, was tired, whatever. The only conversation he would have with me was to say yes, no, fine, thank you. This went on for a month. I kept trying to be upbeat and positive, go about my life, and gradually chip away at his ice cube demeanor. Nothing worked. I was so stressed out by this that I couldn''t eat, couldn''t sleep, pretty much chain smoked, and kept trying to figure out why he was ignoring me. Prior to him getting like this, we were looking at buying a house and starting a family. That got cancelled. After a month of this, he snapped out of it again. But this time, I noticed that the I love you''s stopped. I asked him about it, and he said he just didn''t think about saying it. He would always say I love you too if I said it first, but he made no initiative to say it first. He knew it meant a lot to me to hear him say it because he wasn''t one to throw it around multiple times a day--when he says I love you, its for a special reason. I told him that I really missed hearing him say it, and he said nothing. Everything else went back to normal--after a few months we decided to buy a house and everything was fine.

We had been in our house 4 months when it hit again. This time it was over the christmas holidays. It started shortly after Thanksgiving. He just came home one day and wouldn''t talk. It was total silence at my house when he was home. I absolutely dreaded the holidays because I had no idea what to expect. We drove to see his family in total silence. Once we got there, he was normal loving husband. And was nothing but perfect the entire time we were there. As soon as we got in the car to drive home, he totally shut down again. Total silence until New Years. Then, just as quickly as it hit, he snapped out of it again. But this time, added with the lack of I love you''s, the nit picking started.

Its been 18 months now since I have gotten the extended silent treatment--it happens occasionally but only lasts for at the most a week or so. But I have noticed that he has his public face, and his private face. In public, he will make little jabs in a joking manner, but when we are alone, the jabs are more pronounced. All of our friends and family think he is a great guy--but they never see how he can be. Even when he is totally ignoring me, he will go out of his way to be really nice when we are around other people.

The things he chooses to nit pick about are really ridiculous. He doesn''t like the way I drive, the way I fold his laundry, the way I mop the floor, the way my hair spray gets on the sink, the way I leave the porch light on when I go to bed, etc. If I make a new recipe of some sort, he will search the internet, print off an alternate recipe, and tell me to try it instead. I have never heard the words I am beautiful the entire time we have been together. He stands and ridicules himself and expects me to pump him back up, but if I ever have a "fat" day, forget it. I am very athletic, very fit, and take good care of myself. I dress well, always have my hair and makeup done, and even make a point to wear something a little sexy for him in the bra and panties department. It doesn''t matter though, because he knows I enjoy sex, so he won''t do it if I ask for it. I have to wait for him to want to do it. When we do have sex, he is completely silent the entire time. Its gotten to the point where its getting hard for me to even be turned on by him. Its like he knows what I need emotionally and physically, and then goes out of his way to make sure and NOT do those things. If I get mad about something, I am to the point where I just don''t say anything anymore, because I know if I complain, it will be one more thing I am denied.

He knows what he is doing. He will actually make jokes about not communicating with me. He comes home and showers our puppy with love and affection--and makes sure I see how loving he is to the puppy--but won''t give me any of that same type of affection. He cuddles and plays with him, tells him he loves him, on and on, but I never get that at all. I will say that there is no physical violence at all, if there was I would have already left. He doesn''t cuss or yell, its all emotional games. He will pretty much take anyones side except mine. I took an online quiz to see if you are in an emotionally abusive relationship. Out of the 20 questions, I answered yes to 10. Anything more than 3 indicated abusive tendencies. I have started having panic attacks. Especially when he is with me in the car. I get so paranoid about his constant critiquing that it just sends me over the edge. I do take medication for the panic attacks, and its helping me, but he is totally against me taking the meds. He is afraid I will get addicted to them--I only take them symptomatically and only if I really need them. Taking them a grand total of 5 times in a month I don''t think makes me addicted to them.

I have an appointment with a therapist set up but they cannot get me in until mid October. I just don''t know what to do. I need any help I can get.
 
Gosh, I wish I knew what to say to help; I am so sorry and sending you a hug and keeping you in my prayers, since I don't have experience with this type of behavior. I hope the therapist gives you a plan of action on what to do. That sounds terrible
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What does he say when you bring it up? Have you discussed counseling together?
 
Find a new therapist. Find somebody with an opening. And then get yourself the heck out of there.

Your needs aren''t being met. You aren''t being treated in a healthy manner. You need to stand up for yourself and remove yourself from the situation.

I really don''t have experience with any of this, so I''m hoping posters more informed than I am will chime in.

I am terribly sorry you''re going through this. I really don''t know what else to say...
 
Your husband is manipulative, doesn’t know how to deal with his anger issues, doesn’t know how to communicate, takes you for granted and thinks the world revolves around him and his issues.

All of that said, I don’t think he’s a bad person just yet or that its grounds for divorce. He needs therapy. Some hardcore, serious therapy. He’s angry with the world and needs someone to sort those issues out for him. You are obviously a loving wife but you can’t do it alone. His issues are deep rooted and he needs someone professional. I know you have the therapy sessions scheduled but this really isn’t about you. You don’t need them other than to help get over what he has done to you so far. He’s the one that needs the help and until you can get him in there alone there really is no way to help him change.

Is he open to going to therapy alone?

I do wish you the best because there is so much sadness coming from what you wrote.
 
Thanks Skippy. Yes, I have brought up counseling to him numerous times. He is not interested. He said if he felt there was a reason to go to therapy, he would, but he sees no reason to go. He also says that if he went, they would think he was crazy and probably lock him up. I think its just a cop out from him. I even brought it up again just last night--same response as always.
 
Date: 9/15/2008 5:16:02 PM
Author: blingalicious
Thanks Skippy. Yes, I have brought up counseling to him numerous times. He is not interested. He said if he felt there was a reason to go to therapy, he would, but he sees no reason to go. He also says that if he went, they would think he was crazy and probably lock him up. I think its just a cop out from him. I even brought it up again just last night--same response as always.
I think it is a cop out too, can you stay with a friend or family? Does he know his behavior has caused these panic attacks? You do not deserve this behavior, seriously!!!! I will keep you in my prayers.
 
Date: 9/15/2008 5:18:03 PM
Author: Skippy123

Date: 9/15/2008 5:16:02 PM
Author: blingalicious
Thanks Skippy. Yes, I have brought up counseling to him numerous times. He is not interested. He said if he felt there was a reason to go to therapy, he would, but he sees no reason to go. He also says that if he went, they would think he was crazy and probably lock him up. I think its just a cop out from him. I even brought it up again just last night--same response as always.
I think it is a cop out too, can you stay with a friend or family? You do not deserve this behavior!!!!
This is NOT OK. What he is doing to you is down right cruel. If he won''t seek counseling, I''d move in with family or friends. Best thing you can do, is to be safe. Perhaps he will change his tune once you leave. And see that he has to get counseling in order to be with you.

I am so sorry you are going through this, sounds awful. HUGS.
 
Well, I do have a call in to the therapist I am going to see to fit me in if they have a cancellation. I am hoping that they can see me sooner. I know he needs to go to therapy very badly--if he doesn''t go, I don''t know what will happen. I am considering staying with my girlfriends for a while--maybe it will prompt him to see a therapist. I don''t know if he will finally cave and go get help, or if he will turn it into a way to prove me wrong, and sever our relationship. Thats the hardest part--I love him so much, and I know we can work through this stuff. He just has to be willing to meet me halfway.
 
Date: 9/15/2008 5:14:45 PM
Author: fieryred33143

Your husband is manipulative, doesn’t know how to deal with his anger issues, doesn’t know how to communicate, takes you for granted and thinks the world revolves around him and his issues.

All of that said, I don’t think he’s a bad person just yet or that its grounds for divorce. He needs therapy. Some hardcore, serious therapy. He’s angry with the world and needs someone to sort those issues out for him. You are obviously a loving wife but you can’t do it alone. His issues are deep rooted and he needs someone professional. I know you have the therapy sessions scheduled but this really isn’t about you. You don’t need them other than to help get over what he has done to you so far. He’s the one that needs the help and until you can get him in there alone there really is no way to help him change.

Is he open to going to therapy alone?

I do wish you the best because there is so much sadness coming from what you wrote.
I agree and hon, i am soo sorry *BIG HUG*. its so hard, and you are so brave, for coming to this, speaking out loud and i know, it sucks. I once was with a similar guy (who, i''ve heard through the grapevine, has changed his ways!).

I think your guy needs to go to seperate therapy. He needs to discuss these issues. To me, it sounds like he pulls the martyr trick alot, no? He''ll say "everything is my fault, i''m an ahole," etc, but not try to change, or really apologize for it?

He needs to figure out why he is nit picking. I even did that to my guy once, only to realize i was doing it becuase i was stressed about my job, my weight and that i was honestly just depressed. once i talked to someone about it, i apologized to my guy, who did understand. It was wasnt fair to him, and i wish i could take it back.

big hug and support here for you!
 
bling, I'm so, so sorry. I wish I could reach through the computer and give you a giant hug.

I agree with those that say you should find a friend or family member to stay with for a little while. Not just to snap your husband out of whatever it is he's dealing with, but to give yourself a break. You don't deserve this treatment, and it might be good for both of you to have some space.

Hopefully, while you're gone, he'll agree to counseling.

Big hugs to you.
 
Date: 9/15/2008 5:23:37 PM
Author: blingalicious
Well, I do have a call in to the therapist I am going to see to fit me in if they have a cancellation. I am hoping that they can see me sooner. I know he needs to go to therapy very badly--if he doesn''t go, I don''t know what will happen. I am considering staying with my girlfriends for a while--maybe it will prompt him to see a therapist. I don''t know if he will finally cave and go get help, or if he will turn it into a way to prove me wrong, and sever our relationship. Thats the hardest part--I love him so much, and I know we can work through this stuff. He just has to be willing to meet me halfway.
I know you love him and its much easier for all of us to say to leave than it is to actually leave. But I just want you to know that what you are going through is not something that you deserve. A good wife deserves a good husband and while couples are not perfect, it isn''t ok to be with someone that won''t work with you to make it better. Life is too short.
 
I''m really sorry to hear you''re going through such a difficult time.

Maybe this is a silly question but have you ever asked him, point blank, why he''s giving you the silent treatment whenever this occurs? And why he''s nit-picking at you? If so, what does he say?

It seems odd that someone would not manifest this conduct during dating (I guess it would also depend on how long you dated before marriage) and then change so suddenly after marriage. Does he have a history of depression?

Even if your husband won''t seek help, I hope you find someone who can give you the guidance and support you need. Perhaps you can separate for awhile so you can get some distance and perspective on the situation.

I really hope things will be better for you soon...
 
please please please please please GET OUT NOW! He sounds SO MUCH like my ex it is ridiculous, and I only realized afterwards that I was being abused. This won''t stop, it will only get worse, and he KNOWS HE IS DOING IT!!!!!!!! That should be enough for you to understand that he is willing to hurt you emotionally..... To me that is a sign of not caring. Please get out.....
 
Yes jcarly--he always pulls the I am an a*hole trick. Will stand there and call himself a jerk to get me to stroke him and make him feel better. He also goes to the other side of the spectrum and will say sorry for every little thing--he will apologize because the neighbor is blaring his music. But he cannot apologize for the big stuff that he actually should apologize for. Red, you are right. I deserve an equal partner in this life. I deserve to be shown love like I show it for him. Panda--I have asked why in the past, and I pretty much get the "nothings wrong" answer. If I pry, then he gets mad. We dated for 2 years before getting married. Dated 16 months before getting engaged. We are both older--in our mid 30''s. Thankfully, we have no children yet.
 
Date: 9/15/2008 5:37:47 PM
Author: dragonfly411
please please please please please GET OUT NOW! He sounds SO MUCH like my ex it is ridiculous, and I only realized afterwards that I was being abused. This won''t stop, it will only get worse, and he KNOWS HE IS DOING IT!!!!!!!! That should be enough for you to understand that he is willing to hurt you emotionally..... To me that is a sign of not caring. Please get out.....


I am so sorry dragonfly--I wouldn''t wish this on anyone. Were you married when you went through this? I only ask because I am so scared of that next step. I thought all this time it was something I was doing wrong, and recently I finally figured out that its not me, its him. The abuse quiz I took really opened my eyes. I agree too that he knows he is doing it. Its like a sick game. I think my biggest fear is that everyone will think I am the crazy one if I leave him because he is so careful to cover up his abuse when anyone else is around.
 
He says those tings to have you stroke his ego. I''m assuming he is rather controlling as well, needing to know every move you make and knowing everything about your usernames, passwords, email accounts, mail, etc. (If I''m wrong just tell me lol). His moods alter quickly almost as if two separate people lived in there. In front of everyone he puts on a show, but at home, he''s a separate personality. The nitpicking is immature, especially at his age. It''s time to take some time to think about this. I would recommend going to stay with the girlfriends, go to the therapist, if he makes a move to better himself then that''s good, but I feel so bad for you dear, and I feel like this might go the same direction me and my ex (thank god we didn''t marry) went.
 
I am so sorry dragonfly--I wouldn''t wish this on anyone. Were you married when you went through this? I only ask because I am so scared of that next step. I thought all this time it was something I was doing wrong, and recently I finally figured out that its not me, its him. The abuse quiz I took really opened my eyes. I agree too that he knows he is doing it. Its like a sick game. I think my biggest fear is that everyone will think I am the crazy one if I leave him because he is so careful to cover up his abuse when anyone else is around.




we were not married, but so many things match up to what I went through with ex. I wouldn''t wish it on anyone either, and it is gut wrenching to go through. I always felt there was something wrong with me, and that I needed to do something to make myself better/ worthy. He treated me like property
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. I do hope that you are able to take the next steps. It was SO HARD for me to do anything at all, but I knew that I had to get away from the vicious cycle or face breaking. HUGS I wish you all the best, and please keep us updated. I''ll be checking in
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bling - my experence with the martyr is eventually i called him on it. granted, our relationship was not worth saving, so i am not saying this as a suggestion, unless you think it would work for you. once i called him on it, there was nothing he could do. i think you should go to a friends like you suggested and ask him to seek out some help. take the dog too.
 
Oh, honey - I'm so sorry, but I don't think this is a question PSers can answer for you. All we can offer is experience and our heartfelt good wishes.

I don't know how to get him to go to counseling, but it sounds like you both could truly benefit from it. You do NOT deserve to be treated this way.
 
I always say, "marriage is work." However, it takes TWO to make it work. One can keep at it until she is blue in the face, but if the other doesn''t care, there just isn''t a marriage.

I do agree, that you should call him out (I realize that you say he knows, but hey, try it one more time) and if he denies it, then you know what you are dealing with (I''ll spare you the words). Some time back, I noticed my husband DID seem a bit sweeter and happier when we are around friends, and I was thinking...hmmm...WTF? I told him, "Dude, do you know that sometimes I feel you are nicer to me in public and when you are home you are quieter?" I''m all for being able to kick up your feet and be "yourself" at home, but seriously. TGuy looked at me and went "huh? really?" And made the effort from there. I guess he just didn''t realize what he was doing....figured he could turn "off" at home. Meanwhile, I had to figure out if I was just taking it personally and imagining things.

Either way, we communicated, moved on and worked it out. To me, it doesn''t sound like your guys is having a truly "huh? really?" moment, but be honest in what you are feeling and if he doesn''t even remotely sound like he''s wanting to work this out with you, then you need to reassess what you want to do with your marriage. Emotional abuse is something no one should ever live with.
 
I''m sending you a big hug right now! I''m so sorry you have to go through this, NO ONE deserves to be treated like this.

It sounds like he has some extremely deep rooted issues that only he can decide if he wants to resolve. I agree with the advice to stay with some family or friends for awhile. Hopefully, this will give him a jolt and make him realize that he needs to change or the marriage will never work.

I can relate a little bit when you guys had a fight and he said, "I''m not cut out to be husband material." My husband''s parents got divorced when he was 10 and it took him a looong time to realize that all marriages do not end up this way. The key to overcoming things like this is communication.

I hope that he will realize that he needs help and he can open up to someone about what is troubling him.

Lean on family and friends during this time, that''s what they''re there for! (Including your PS friends!
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It''s pretty obvious what''s going on here. He regrets being married. His shutting down is a way to ignore the fact that he IS in a marriage, that sadly he wishes he was not in. I don''t think he''s angry with you as much as he''s angry with himself.

You can try counseling but I think hubby has emotionally checked out. I''m sorry that you''re going through this
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Make SURE there is no possibility of getting pregnant or things could get a lot worse for all of you. Personally I would throw in the towel, but you should do whatever you can live with.
 
Your DH needs help.
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You do not deserve to be treated like this. I hope you can find some guidance and that maybe he sees the light.

Spending some time apart might help him see that? I don''t know.
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But the more you let him treat you like dirt, the more you''ll start to feel like dirt. That''s not a road you want to go down, sweety!
 
blingalicious, I''m sending you the biggest hugs.

I''m not a therapist or even close, but I think you need to remove yourself from the situation for a little while. See what life is like without him, and just give the whole marriage some ponderance (not sure if that''s a word).

I know you love him, but I think you''re holding on the imgae of what he used to be, instead of seeing him for who he is, and what he is. What are you getting out of this marriage at this point? Again, I''m not saying you should file for divorce immediately, but show him you''re serious. If your leaving doesn''t make him see a reason for therapy, then I''m sorry honey, but nothing will. You deserve so much better than what he''s giving you.

He needs some serious therapy, and so do you, after what you''ve suffered.

Sending you lots of dust, and prayers.
 
Date: 9/15/2008 5:30:50 PM
Author: fieryred33143

Date: 9/15/2008 5:23:37 PM
Author: blingalicious
Well, I do have a call in to the therapist I am going to see to fit me in if they have a cancellation. I am hoping that they can see me sooner. I know he needs to go to therapy very badly--if he doesn''t go, I don''t know what will happen. I am considering staying with my girlfriends for a while--maybe it will prompt him to see a therapist. I don''t know if he will finally cave and go get help, or if he will turn it into a way to prove me wrong, and sever our relationship. Thats the hardest part--I love him so much, and I know we can work through this stuff. He just has to be willing to meet me halfway.
I know you love him and its much easier for all of us to say to leave than it is to actually leave. But I just want you to know that what you are going through is not something that you deserve. A good wife deserves a good husband and while couples are not perfect, it isn''t ok to be with someone that won''t work with you to make it better. Life is too short.
Ditto. All I could think of while reading your original post was, "Life is too short." His issues probably run very deep and he may never change. You deserve someone who loves you - and says it. Try to ask yourself why you tolerate it - what would he do if you were treating him this way?
 
Just wanted to add, there was a time, about 3 years ago, when my FI started having periods of time where he was nit-picking, not very affectionate, and generally not very nice to me. They happened about every couple of months, and would last for a couple of weeks at a time They would end when I called him out on it.

The last time it happened, I told him that this is the last time this would happen. He would either treat kindly, and lovingly, or I was done -- and I meant it. Needless to say these little episodes never happened again. Now, for the most part, he is sweet as pie.

So, again, without being a therapist, my advice is to call him on it, and let him know that you will not, under any circumstances, be treated in this manner. He can take it or leave it. His choice.
 
Date: 9/15/2008 5:41:07 PM
Author: blingalicious
Yes jcarly--he always pulls the I am an a*hole trick. Will stand there and call himself a jerk to get me to stroke him and make him feel better. He also goes to the other side of the spectrum and will say sorry for every little thing--he will apologize because the neighbor is blaring his music. But he cannot apologize for the big stuff that he actually should apologize for. Red, you are right. I deserve an equal partner in this life. I deserve to be shown love like I show it for him. Panda--I have asked why in the past, and I pretty much get the ''nothings wrong'' answer. If I pry, then he gets mad. We dated for 2 years before getting married. Dated 16 months before getting engaged. We are both older--in our mid 30''s. Thankfully, we have no children yet.
The next time he calls himself an a**hole, your response should be, "Yeah, you are. And if you continue to be, you''re likely to end up a lonely, miserable old man."
 
Bling, I am just sick for you right now. I''m so sorry you are living with this awful treatment. You do not deserve it!

When I read your gut-wrenching story, I felt like I was listening to one of my friends confide in me all over again. Although her husband had shown signs of emotional abuse while they dated, it became much, much worse once they were married. She never breathed a word to anyone until the day he pushed her down the stairs--it was the first incidence of physical abuse after years of emotional abuse. While she was at the hospital receiving treatment for the fall (he did not go with her), she spoke with a counselor, and she finally realized that she was in a dangerous situation. The counselor explained to her that the abuse would only get worse. I don''t know how she did it, but she made the decision that day to not go back home. Her mother picked her up, and my friend told her everything. She later confided in me and in a few other close friends.

My friend told her husband that she would come back if he went to counseling. He refused to do so, and he refused to acknowledge that there was any sort of abuse or any problem with their marriage. After weeks of the same conversation with him, my friend filed for divorce. She says it was the hardest decision she ever made. After her divorce was finalized, she moved across the country to begin her new life. She is happy and healthy now, and she has a new man in her life that is slowly and patiently winning her trust by treating her like the wonderful person she is.

I can''t offer much advice because I''m not an expert, but I hope that my friend''s story can give you some food for thought. Also, I just ask that you please confide in someone you trust. You can''t weather this alone. Know that I will be thinking of you and praying for you.
 
I am so thankful for all your posts. I really need perspective on this. You brought up a good point purrfect pear--and that is something I have wondered. The only reason I haven''t pursued this as his reason is that everyone in the public eye around us always says how much he loves me--weird huh. He must talk to other people as if I am great and wonderful and he is the perfect husband. Makes me think he is trying to make me look crazy if I complain. Its so hard, because he can be so good sometimes, and when its good, its good. But when its bad, its horrible.
 
BTW--LAjennifer--I love your response. He will end up a lonely miserable old a*hole if this keeps up. I think I get a little guilt tripped by him since he has no family. I am pretty much all he has. So the lonely would take on a whole new meaning for him. He doesn''t have many friends, he rarely goes out. The weird thing is he doesn''t mind if I go out with friends, but he knows them really well. They have no idea what really goes on at home.
 
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