Emerald Cut MMD Opinions Requested! (IGI + Pics attached)

[ariaaaa]

Following up on my last post, we bit the bullet and put a hold on the stone. Aaaahhhh!

Now that I'm no longer obsessively checking the website to make sure no one else has bought it (and since we're definitely planning on taking advantage of the 30-day return policy if needed), I wanted some expert opinions to arm myself with before I get to see it in person.

So! Please be harsh and give me all your thoughts!

I compared the dimensions against a couple of sources and while not ideal across the board (depth is a bit greater than the desired range and there is a long culet), I'm having a hard time seeing the negative effects in the video. I know that it's considered better to have no culet on EC stones, but I'm having a bit of a hard time understanding the actual effect. Other than light return / windowing to look out for in person, are there other things to be aware of? Any red flags from the pictures or the report?

This is an HPHT Type II, and I do see the faint blue showing up, but to my eyes, it seems like the faint blue slightly helps counteract the H grade of the stone. I've done a bit of research on the presence of boron in stones, but admittedly am not too sure if I see it as a detractor and would love a second opinion.

All in all, my priority is making sure we have the most informed opinion possible and would love some PS-er thoughts! I loved the stone from the video, but have no qualms sending it back if it's not the best option and would welcome other MMD recommendations (roughly in the 5-6ct range and ideally less than 25k)

 

[DejaWiz]

Definitely is a "boron blue".
Keep in mind that you cannot treat boron like fluorescence where it may offset tinting like it can in a non-Type IIb diamond.
IGI seems to (inconsistently) grade color of a Type IIb by how much light blue tinting/saturation there is since there won't be any slight yellow or brown tinting which can occur in Type Ia or Type IIa diamonds.
Whether the blue tinting is a bother will be up to you and your level of tolerance and sensitivity to it. Alas, you can always return it for a refund or exchange if you feel that it is something that would be bothersome.
I'm looking forward to reading about your thoughts and impressions as well as seeing pictures when it arrives!

 

[tyty333]

Where is the video? Its hard to analyze an Emerald cut without seeing videos.

 

[ariaaaa]

Where is the video? Its hard to analyze an Emerald cut without seeing videos.

Of course, how could I forget?

https://www.brilliantearth.com/rings/cyorings/view_diamond/11996141/

 

[EClove]

I just went through a similar search with a smaller stone - and while I am no expert on ECs, this looks like it *might* be too deep of a stone and the center looks a little dead (not lighting up) but it's hard to tell from just one video. You may have to see the stone in person!

I also see a bit of the faint light blue and only you can decide if that will bother you. My 2.6 EC is an H and I love the color - looks totally white but I prefer ECs in the near colorless range vs colorless.

 

[EClove]

This might be worth checking out on BE though it does look warmer than an H here, but could also be the lighting: https://www.brilliantearth.com/rings/cyorings/view_diamond/12362073/?sid=

On other sites (with potentially different return policies):

diamond-LGO10446418JA | Frank Darling

Sustainably grown lab diamonds and conflict-free natural diamonds. Shop competitively priced GIA diamonds in every shape, from emerald cut to round brilliant.

frankdarling.com

Lab-Created 5.28 Carat emerald diamond

This emerald cut 5.28 carat Lab-Created F color vs1 clarity has a diamond grading report from IGI

www.jamesallen.com

5.15 Carat Emerald Lab Grown Diamond F Color VS1 Clarity Very Good Cut | Ritani

5.15 Carat Emerald Lab Diamond VG Cut F Color VS1 Clarity with diamond report number IGI #485135554

www.ritani.com

 

[DejaWiz]

Lab-Created 5.28 Carat emerald diamond

This emerald cut 5.28 carat Lab-Created F color vs1 clarity has a diamond grading report from IGI

www.jamesallen.com

This one looks bright with amazing facet action.

 

[ariaaaa]

I completely agree with your first post re: center / depth / blue tint! Definitely all things I'm looking out for when I get a chance to see it in person. I haven't decided yet if the blue bothers me or not, I do wish BE or Ritani (where we ultimately ordered from) would show the videos in different angles though. I'm no expert, but I imagine that horizontal at an angle vs vertical at 90 degrees does make a bit of a difference.

@DejaWiz I'd love some more of your thoughts on the inconsistent color grading when there's a blue tint! I know you mentioned that it can't be treated like fluorescence, but it does look like it helps counteract a yellow / brown tint a bit? I'd definitely be interested in understanding that a bit more. The first stone EClove kindly linked from BE is created through CVD but looks markedly more yellow/brown tinted as compared to the original selection despite the same color grade. It definitely could be lighting, but I'm no expert.

This might be worth checking out on BE though it does look warmer than an H here, but could also be the lighting: https://www.brilliantearth.com/rings/cyorings/view_diamond/12362073/?sid=

On other sites (with potentially different return policies):

diamond-LGO10446418JA | Frank Darling

Sustainably grown lab diamonds and conflict-free natural diamonds. Shop competitively priced GIA diamonds in every shape, from emerald cut to round brilliant.

frankdarling.com

Lab-Created 5.28 Carat emerald diamond

This emerald cut 5.28 carat Lab-Created F color vs1 clarity has a diamond grading report from IGI

www.jamesallen.com

5.15 Carat Emerald Lab Grown Diamond F Color VS1 Clarity Very Good Cut | Ritani

5.15 Carat Emerald Lab Diamond VG Cut F Color VS1 Clarity with diamond report number IGI #485135554

www.ritani.com

Whew that JA stone does look lively! Appreciate the suggestions, and will definitely have to keep it in mind if the original proves to be too dead in the center. This is definitely a moment I wish we were working with a concierge service, it would be lovely to see these side by side without having a 50k hold on a credit card

 

[ariaaaa]

As a side note for my own education, I've seen different stones that do / don't have this little baby facet (?) in the center. Is this desirable / something that helps the center reflect more?

At first glance I have to admit that I don't know if I like the look of it as it often makes the windmills look a little unsymmetrical, but looking at something in a crazy zoom is of course not reflective of actual performance / real life viewing.

 

[DejaWiz]

@DejaWiz I'd love some more of your thoughts on the inconsistent color grading when there's a blue tint! I know you mentioned that it can't be treated like fluorescence, but it does look like it helps counteract a yellow / brown tint a bit? I'd definitely be interested in understanding that a bit more. The first stone EClove kindly linked from BE is created through CVD but looks markedly more yellow/brown tinted as compared to the original selection despite the same color grade. It definitely could be lighting, but I'm no expert.

I say inconsistent because I've seen plenty of E-J LGDs on various sites with rather consistent photography, such as James Allen, that are all over the place in regards to the blue saturation: take two different G graded Type IIb diamonds and they can have a tremendously different amount of saturation...I've seen some G and H that appear just as blue as some I and J, and vice-versa.

From the thousands of examples I've seen while looking, there is no tint but light blue in an HPHT Type IIb diamond, meaning that there's no yellow or brown to counteract. You won't find a Type IIb made with CVD unless you are specifically shopping for industrial products, like diamond conductors.

 

[ariaaaa]

Aaaand in a fun update, Ritani just let us know that the stone is actually unavailable. In that situation, does it mean that it's actually sold or just that another vendor has it? I still see it on BE's site, so not sure if they have it in hand or that it's fully unavailable to everyone.

 

[DejaWiz]

Aaaand in a fun update, Ritani just let us know that the stone is actually unavailable. In that situation, does it mean that it's actually sold or just that another vendor has it? I still see it on BE's site, so not sure if they have it in hand or that it's fully unavailable to everyone.

See this post for a great explanation of how many online sellers operate:

Searching Virtual Inventories?

Hi all -- I've found an lab grown stone on Brilliant Earth that I've COMPLETELY fallen in love with. From previous experiences, I typically have been able to find the same stone cross listed on other lab diamond vendors for a significantly cheaper price (25% cheaper!!) than Brilliant Earth...

www.pricescope.com

 

[ariaaaa]

See this post for a great explanation of how many online sellers operate:

Searching Virtual Inventories?

Hi all -- I've found an lab grown stone on Brilliant Earth that I've COMPLETELY fallen in love with. From previous experiences, I typically have been able to find the same stone cross listed on other lab diamond vendors for a significantly cheaper price (25% cheaper!!) than Brilliant Earth...

www.pricescope.com

Yep! That was my post hahahahaha - it wasn't so much cheaper on Ritani (maybe 5-6%) that I thought this would be the case, but hilarious to be forewarned and then proven wrong.