Ellen cancels Burrell after homophobic comments

[kenny]

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-38505964

Kim Burrell had been due to perform on Ellen DeGeneres' show this week.

Ellen DeGeneres has said Kim Burrell will not appear on her show after the gospel singer made homophobic comments.
Burrell referred to "the perverted homosexual spirit" during a sermon at a church in Houston, Texas.
She had been due to sing with Pharrell Williams on The Ellen DeGeneres Show later this week.
But the talk show host, who is a well-known advocate of gay rights, tweeted: "For those asking, Kim Burrell will not be appearing on my show."
'No excuses'

DeGeneres had been asked by fans to cancel Burrell's planned appearance and an online petition was launched.
In a video published after the sermon, Burrell said she made "no excuses or apologies" for her comments.
"I love you and God loves you but God hates the sin in you and me," she added.

"I never said all gays were going to hell. I never said 'LGBT'... I said 'SIN'," the singer said.
"To every person who is dealing with the homosexual spirit, that has it, I love you and God loves you but God hates the sin in you and me. Anything that is against the nature of God."
She added "enemies" had posted only a portion of her original speech.
Williams and Burrell had been due to sing their track I See Victory from the soundtrack of the film Hidden Figures on the chat show on Thursday.

 

[kenny]

So, here's my beef what what this woman, and many Christians, say.
It's a passive-aggressive cop out.
It's bigotry disguised as morality.
It is irresponsible.

You say everyone sins. (Implying we are all EQUALLY bad.)
God loves everyone, but he hates sin.

If you stopped there I'd leave it alone.
Everyone gets to belive whatev they want.
Free country.

But you don't stop there.
You cross a line, and doing that spreads hate the results in LGBTs losing their civil rights via elected lawmakers.
It also harms non-straights by making us feel bad about ourselves.
Lots of teens suicide because of this.

Here's how Burrell puts the crossed line, "To every person who is dealing with the homosexual spirit, that has it, I love you and God loves you but God hates the sin in you and me. Anything that is against the nature of God."

So, let me see if I got this straight ...
We all sin, but having the heterosexual spirit is NOT against God but having the homosexual spirit is?
Nice.
That's where the inequality is.

Why don't you just take responsibility for your view, and just say we hets are superior to you homos.
That's what's really going on in hearts.
The superiority thing is what's really behind the curtain.
Why hide behind: "It's not MY fault what God wants!"

 

[OreoRosies86]

She didn't mind that "sin" so much when gay people in the entertainment industry were cutting her checks, eh?

 

[Matata]

Kenny, it is not possible to reconcile religious tenets and rational thought.

 

[kenny]

Kenny, it is not possible to reconcile religious tenets and rational thought.

True, but you can do your part to attempt to educate.
Most falls on long-deaf ears, but a few may see the light.

I'll fight the righteous fight, the fight for equality.
Religions oppose equality by offering superiority.

 

[YadaYadaYada]

She isn't doing any favors for followers of organized religion that is for sure. I would disagree though about everyone sinning and therefore is "equally bad". Child molesters, murderers, and animal abusers in my book are way worse in sin that anyone's sexual preference. We were raised Catholic but we were not raised to hate other people just based on sexual orientation, instead we look to do our personal best and be good people to ourselves and others and that gets you closer to God. I know not everyone believes in the "man in the sky" but there certainly can be a happy medium, live and let live etc.

In this case it's my opinion that she is just a morally corrupt person hiding behind a curtain of religion as an excuse.

 

[Tekate]

Well this means that Burrell will probably be a leader in the republican party soon. Probably the sin patrol or some new organization.

 

[redwood66]

While I do not care what anyone does in their own life, these comments by her were made in a church during a sermon. Not on Twitter or the Ellen show or any other public venue for all the world to see. Do you not think that the same sermons are preached all over the world in churches? This is common knowledge of the Christian faith, its not a secret. So to single her out for preaching her faith in a church is wrong. If someone in the church doesn't like it then don't attend. I**edited by moderator, please use appropriate language**

 

[OreoRosies86]

You have the right to say whatever you want, in church or otherwise. Others have the right to not work with you as a result. I'm sure Miss Whatshername will have plenty of church folks to preach to in the future, it just won't be on a talk show with a gay host.

 

[Matata]

While I do not care what anyone does in their own life, these comments by her were made in a church during a sermon. Not on Twitter or the Ellen show or any other public venue for all the world to see. Do you not think that the same sermons are preached all over the world in churches? This is common knowledge of the Christian faith, its not a secret. So to single her out for preaching her faith in a church is wrong. If someone in the church doesn't like it then don't attend. **edited by moderator, please use appropriate language**.

Whoa, and you were commenting on my stress level yesterday....

Ellen DeGeneres, gay, and a staunch supporter of LBGT is within her rights to cancel the appearance of a homophobe on her show.

Burrell is a pastor (http://www.kimburrellministries.com/), as such she has the potential to influence the thoughts and actions of her listeners. The job of a pastor is to teach the gospel and ensure that believers follow its tenets. Their thoughts, actions, and words are not confined within the walls of the church. Church members are expected to carry those tenets into the public sector to spread the word and attempt to draw new people into the church. They influence legislation. Their impact is felt nationwide.

 

[redwood66]

While I do not care what anyone does in their own life, these comments by her were made in a church during a sermon. Not on Twitter or the Ellen show or any other public venue for all the world to see. Do you not think that the same sermons are preached all over the world in churches? This is common knowledge of the Christian faith, its not a secret. So to single her out for preaching her faith in a church is wrong. If someone in the church doesn't like it then don't attend. **edited by moderator, please use appropriate language**

Whoa, and you were commenting on my stress level yesterday....

Ellen DeGeneres, gay, and a staunch supporter of LBGT is within her rights to cancel the appearance of a homophobe on her show.

Burrell is a pastor (http://www.kimburrellministries.com/), as such she has the potential to influence the thoughts and actions of her listeners. The job of a pastor is to teach the gospel and ensure that believers follow its tenets. Their thoughts, actions, and words are not confined within the walls of the church. Church members are expected to carry those tenets into the public sector to spread the word and attempt to draw new people into the church. They influence legislation. Their impact is felt nationwide.

Which is no different than it has been for thousands of years. Ellen can have whomever she wishes. My comments are to people who expect acceptance but have none. **edited by moderator, please use appropriate language**

 

[OreoRosies86]

Well this means that Burrell will probably be a leader in the republican party soon. Probably the sin patrol or some new organization.

I'm sure Pence has already called her.

 

[redwood66]

I am not stressed Matata. Sometimes I have an opinion that needs force in expression. I don't do it much but when I do it looks like this.

 

[Matata]

Which is no different than it has been for thousands of years. Ellen can have whomever she wishes. My comments are to people who expect acceptance but have none. I**edited by moderator, please use appropriate language**

Speaking of shaming and agendas.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/no-atheists-in-congress_us_586c074ae4b0de3a08f9d487

 

[redwood66]

Which is no different than it has been for thousands of years. Ellen can have whomever she wishes. My comments are to people who expect acceptance but have none. **edited by moderator, please use appropriate language**.

Speaking of shaming and agendas.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/no-atheists-in-congress_us_586c074ae4b0de3a08f9d487

Not sure how this is shaming? People elect who they elect.

ETA - Its freedom of religion which also includes no religion. It is not Freedom from Religion.

 

[Matata]

Which is no different than it has been for thousands of years. Ellen can have whomever she wishes. My comments are to people who expect acceptance but have none. **edited by moderator, please use appropriate language**.

Speaking of shaming and agendas.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/no-atheists-in-congress_us_586c074ae4b0de3a08f9d487

Not sure how this is shaming? People elect who they elect.

Nonbelievers (let's call them "nones" like the survey does) are afraid to state their noneness when running for office and even once in office because if you're not christian, you're on the fringe.

A bible is used to swear in the president. No religious text should be used. A more appropriate document, imo, is the constitution.

In every presidential election that I can remember, the candidate's religious affiliation came up repeatedly. They state their religious beliefs and the names of the churches they attend throughout their campaigns.

It was a big deal when Kennedy was elected because he was, gasp, catholic, which I presume was seen as insufficiently christian at the time.

Remember all the fake news about Obama being muslim?

If you're not a declared christian in our national political system, you're seen as less than. From the reluctance of the nones to declare themselves, it isn't a stretch to presume there is subtle if not outright shaming occurring.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/12/almost-all-u-s-presidents-have-been-christians/

 

[redwood66]

People want to see all religion removed from sight. The agenda driven people demand this. But their problem is that Christians make up the bulk of the electorate - hence the shaming. Too bad. Maybe in 100 years they will be the majority. Thank God I will not be here.

 

[Matata]

People want to see all religion removed from sight. The agenda driven people demand this. But their problem is that Christians make up the bulk of the electorate. Too bad. Maybe in 100 years they will be the majority. Thank God I will not be here.

Christians are already losing ground. http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/americas-changing-religious-landscape/
Religions in general are losing their importance in the national landscape. Christians are still the majority, they and their agenda, still dominate. They still are, for the moment, the "agenda driven" people. I'm perplexed that you seem to resent when minorities have agendas (I mean, come on, who doesn't have an agenda.) especially those who have to fight everyday for rights that the religious majority enjoys.

I understand your anger/frustration. Perhaps you can work some of it out by making me two batches of birthday cookies? I forgot to ask for coconut flakes on the other thread.

 

[kenny]

Equality is MY agenda.
I know. I know. Shame on me.

Achieving equality requires that systems, overt or covert, of superiority/inferiority must be exposed and opposed.

The problem is most people feel it's not nice to talk about religion, let alone point out anything bad about it.
This 'politeness' helps those doing wrong get away with it.
Irony: That's not very nice.

 

[E B]

Anyone who wishes to accomplish something is agenda-driven. The degree is what's important. Does your agenda affect me, and to what degree? Two examples.

The "gay" agenda (ranges from people being gay in public, to gay people wanting to be able to marry): Does this affect straight people? Being grossed out by it doesn't count.

The "prayer in public schools" agenda (Christian prayer): Does this affect non-Christians? And before you say, well, not everyone has to follow along with the prayer, just imagine if your child's religion was in the minority. Would you be okay with your kid just sitting out of turning toward Mecca?

Don't forget: it's good to be part of the majority. Fight for those who aren't, for one day, you may not be.

 

[E B]

People want to see all religion removed from sight. The agenda driven people demand this. But their problem is that Christians make up the bulk of the electorate - hence the shaming. Too bad. Maybe in 100 years they will be the majority. Thank God I will not be here.

This isn't true. No one's trying to ban religion from anyone's personal lives. But when people use it to "further an agenda" for EVERYONE, including those who don't believe in the rules of a Christian god (or whatever some Christians have twisted this to mean), that's when there's an issue.

I mean, people- and I'm talking people in positions of power- are still disingenuously claiming Obama (the secret Muslim) and the godless libs launched a war on Christmas. These are the same people that fall for pedophile pizza BS.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/12/22/video_obama_saying_merry_christmas.html

 

[VRBeauty]

People want to see all religion removed from sight. The agenda driven people demand this. But their problem is that Christians make up the bulk of the electorate. Too bad. Maybe in 100 years they will be the majority. Thank God I will not be here.

Christians are already losing ground. http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/americas-changing-religious-landscape/
Religions in general are losing their importance in the national landscape. Christians are still the majority, they and their agenda, still dominate. They still are, for the moment, the "agenda driven" people. I'm perplexed that you seem to resent when minorities have agendas (I mean, come on, who doesn't have an agenda.) especially those who have to fight everyday for rights that the religious majority enjoys.

I understand your anger/frustration. Perhaps you can work some of it out by making me two batches of birthday cookies? I forgot to ask for coconut flakes on the other thread.

The fact is that the "many" Christians who oppose gay rights (per Kenny) and are apparently not capable of rational thought (per you) are in the minority among Christians -http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-groups-grow-more-accepting-of-homosexuality/... note that the study is based on 2014 data and the percentages of avowed Christians who accept homosexuality and embrace members of the LGBQT community is in all likelihood now higher than shown in the 2014 study.

I also understand your anger/frustration, at least insofar as I can as someone not directly affected by this type of discrimination. I also think though that we're dealing with sincerely held beliefs, and I'm not sure shaming or name-calling is the best approach for changing such beliefs. Dialogue, patience, education, and even just time, as people get to know more of the affected community, will help. LGBQT people's willingness to make themselves known will also help. And I hope those who are not part of a religious community will realize that many who are, are working to expand inclusion and acceptance within religious communities.

I was wondering how Ellen and Pharrel would respond to this revelation... and I think they did so with grace.

 

[redwood66]

You (collective) seem to misunderstand the concept that tolerance goes both ways. I don't have an agenda to make you go to church or stop being gay or force Ellen to have a pastor on her show. I don't give a damn about what you do with your life. But when you force your opinion on me or shame me because I do not agree with you, that is not ok.

 

[redwood66]

People want to see all religion removed from sight. The agenda driven people demand this. But their problem is that Christians make up the bulk of the electorate - hence the shaming. Too bad. Maybe in 100 years they will be the majority. Thank God I will not be here.

This isn't true. No one's trying to ban religion from anyone's personal lives. But when people use it to "further an agenda" for EVERYONE, including those who don't believe in the rules of a Christian god (or whatever some Christians have twisted this to mean), that's when there's an issue.

I mean, people- and I'm talking people in positions of power- are still disingenuously claiming Obama (the secret Muslim) and the godless libs launched a war on Christmas. These are the same people that fall for pedophile pizza BS.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/12/22/video_obama_saying_merry_christmas.html

We talking about the subject of this thread. It was done in a sermon in a church. This is my problem with "outing" of the pastor by an agenda driven intolerant bunch. I am sure that Ellen knew what was preached in the church, if not then she is not as aware as I consider her to be. She reacted by cancelling because of people shaming the pastor in the media due to a video that someone - maybe with their own agenda - took during the sermon. That is MY problem with this topic of this thread. Discrimination is wrong by anyone. Maybe if Ellen had a conversation, like VR was talking about, with someone who would be equally coherent and respectful. I believe Ellen to be a rational, intelligent, and insightful person who could do good for a cause. But the irrational, intolerant, homophobe-screaming people win out. As long as that happens, people like me will not listen to it.


Mind your own business and not mine is a saying and philosophy people need to start using again.

 

[Tekate]

You (collective) seem to misunderstand the concept that tolerance goes both ways. I don't have an agenda to make you go to church or stop being gay or force Ellen to have a pastor on her show. I don't give a damn about what you do with your life. But when you force your opinion on me or shame me because I do not agree with you, that is not ok.

I understand this!!! but remember it goes back at the other side also.. when one forces an opinion, as an example, a manger scene at the local City Hall at Christmas, I don't like that, I'm a tax payer I don't want my city government advertising one religion over another, there are Hindu's in my town, muslim's, jew's and atheists. I won't let out a peep if a manger is placed at a place of worship, a K of C, a Lions Club etc.. I don't pay taxes for these organizations.

So if your opinion shames someone do you think it's not fair to retort and give another's side?

Somebody recorded this woman Burrell and let it out on the net - wait !!! just like what happened to Hillary Clinton, someone broke into the DNC and released information that was personal and may have been taken out of context etc. My point is, once it's out it's out, you cannot take it back.. for Clinton people should have been appalled that Wiki was releasing personal emails, you think this woman was in a church and she is safe from negative comments and anger by gay people and people who support gays in their quest for equal rights. She isn't because it's out, on the web, it can't come back and whoever recorded her thought she was wrong and released it to bring her down, just like Clinton was brought down. I don't know much about Burrell, maybe she is a wonderful person and made a mistake, but it's out and now her career as a professional singer may be less but she will still have her religious career and her choir etc..

I understand good people in America voted for Trump because they were afraid their religious freedoms were going to be taken away. That their bathrooms might have a transgender using it. It's all mostly based on fear.

 

[kenny]

Discrimination is not a religious freedom.

 

[Matata]

The fact is that the "many" Christians who oppose gay rights (per Kenny) and are apparently not capable of rational thought (per you) are in the minority among Christians -http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-groups-grow-more-accepting-of-homosexuality/... note that the study is based on 2014 data and the percentages of avowed Christians who accept homosexuality and embrace members of the LGBQT community is in all likelihood now higher than shown in the 2014 study.

I also understand your anger/frustration, at least insofar as I can as someone not directly affected by this type of discrimination. I also think though that we're dealing with sincerely held beliefs, and I'm not sure shaming or name-calling is the best approach for changing such beliefs. Dialogue, patience, education, and even just time, as people get to know more of the affected community, will help. LGBQT people's willingness to make themselves known will also help. And I hope those who are not part of a religious community will realize that many who are, are working to expand inclusion and acceptance within religious communities.

I was wondering how Ellen and Pharrel would respond to this revelation... and I think they did so with grace.

That is not what I said. I said one cannot reconcile religious tenets with rational thought. Reconcile as in to make consistent/congruous; to check against another for accuracy. Examples: virgin birth; homosexuality as sin; any miracle in the bible and known scientific principles.

 

[the_mother_thing]

Somebody recorded this woman Burrell and let it out on the net - wait !!! just like what happened to Hillary Clinton, someone broke into the DNC and released information that was personal and may have been taken out of context etc.

I don't see the two the same at all - HRC held & was running for taxpayer-held office and citizens have a right to know certain goings-on in that regard. The pastor was not, and if you want to know what goes on in church, you go.

 

[kenny]

... if you want to know what goes on in church, you go.

Or find out what goes on in church by getting fvcked over when they vote to impose their religious beliefs onto everyone, even those not in their religion.

 

[redwood66]

You (collective) seem to misunderstand the concept that tolerance goes both ways. I don't have an agenda to make you go to church or stop being gay or force Ellen to have a pastor on her show. I don't give a damn about what you do with your life. But when you force your opinion on me or shame me because I do not agree with you, that is not ok.

I understand this!!! but remember it goes back at the other side also.. when one forces an opinion, as an example, a manger scene at the local City Hall at Christmas, I don't like that, I'm a tax payer I don't want my city government advertising one religion over another, there are Hindu's in my town, muslim's, jew's and atheists. I won't let out a peep if a manger is placed at a place of worship, a K of C, a Lions Club etc.. I don't pay taxes for these organizations.

So if your opinion shames someone do you think it's not fair to retort and give another's side?

Somebody recorded this woman Burrell and let it out on the net - wait !!! just like what happened to Hillary Clinton, someone broke into the DNC and released information that was personal and may have been taken out of context etc. My point is, once it's out it's out, you cannot take it back.. for Clinton people should have been appalled that Wiki was releasing personal emails, you think this woman was in a church and she is safe from negative comments and anger by gay people and people who support gays in their quest for equal rights. She isn't because it's out, on the web, it can't come back and whoever recorded her thought she was wrong and released it to bring her down, just like Clinton was brought down. I don't know much about Burrell, maybe she is a wonderful person and made a mistake, but it's out and now her career as a professional singer may be less but she will still have her religious career and her choir etc..

I understand good people in America voted for Trump because they were afraid their religious freedoms were going to be taken away. That their bathrooms might have a transgender using it. It's all mostly based on fear.

Kate I don't care about the agenda, I care about the vitriol and intolerance with which it is delivered. The city that you speak of is not vitriolic to its citizens by having a manger. I don't really care about them having it one way or another. If it has happened for years let it be until someone in the town has a problem with it, then they can have a discussion. An outsider making a stink just because they want to make everyone succumb to their ideals is wrong.