EGL Ireal Diamond--AMAZING!!! Here is my story!!!

[Moh 10]

So you passed up the GIA stones in your size, cut and price range because the color and clarity wasn't high enough?

I'm glad you found a diamond you love but I would not recommend you send it to a appraiser. If the appraiser uses GIA standards for clarity and color it will likely come back with those grades you found unacceptable.

Different labs have different standards.

 

[canuk-gal]

HI:

You ave very happy, enough said. But have it iindependantly appraised--to get validation of the characteristics of the stone for insurance purposes.

BTW, do you have a maco mode on your camera? That might help taking close up''s--and will give you practice when you need to take a million pictures when it is set!

cheers--Sharon

 

[Dreamer1116]

Date: 10/25/2008 11:18:41 AM
Author: vespergirl
Beautiful, huge diamond! Can''t wait to see it on your hand! Do you know how you''re going to set it yet?

Thanks!--I am super excited to have it set! I actually chose my setting before I found this diamond. I am having Knox Jewelers create the setting--it is quite a unique design, and I cannot wait unitil it is all finished! The setting has four pave bands interwinded--sorta overlapping one another in different directions (kinda hard to describe), but I am sure I will take a ton of photos when it is all finished.

Thanks Again!

 

[Dreamer1116]

Date: 10/25/2008 11:34:32 AM
Author: Moh 10
So you passed up the GIA stones in your size, cut and price range because the color and clarity wasn''t high enough?

I''m glad you found a diamond you love but I would not recommend you send it to a appraiser. If the appraiser uses GIA standards for clarity and color it will likely come back with those grades you found unacceptable.

Different labs have different standards.

I was mostly concerned with carat and cut to be quite honest. As far as color is concerned anything within G-I is perfectly fine with me. When I said "strict"--that was more in regards to the cut (as an excellently cut can do wonders for a diamond). Before the diamond was sent out I had it looked at by three different reps at Abazias (I was very hesitant on purchasing this diamond) and they all notified me that the diamond was eye-clean, but the color is more like an H, rather than a G, but it was very "sparkly". In fact, one of the reps was very honest, and warned me about EGL certed stones, but before he shipped it off, he gave us a call and said he was actually quite impressed with the diamond clarity and color, as before he had it brought in, he warned it that is may be 2-3 grades lower in color, even clarity.

 

[canuk-gal]

Date: 10/25/2008 11:51:02 AM
Author: Dreamer1116

Date: 10/25/2008 11:34:32 AM
Author: Moh 10
So you passed up the GIA stones in your size, cut and price range because the color and clarity wasn''t high enough?

I''m glad you found a diamond you love but I would not recommend you send it to a appraiser. If the appraiser uses GIA standards for clarity and color it will likely come back with those grades you found unacceptable.

Different labs have different standards.

I was mostly concerned with carat and cut to be quite honest. As far as color is concerned anything within G-I is perfectly fine with me. When I said ''strict''--that was more in regards to the cut (as an excellently cut can do wonders for a diamond). Before the diamond was sent out I had it looked at by three different reps at Abazias (I was very hesitant on purchasing this diamond) and they all notified me that the diamond was eye-clean, but the color is more like an H, rather than a G, but it was very ''sparkly''. In fact, one of the reps was very honest, and warned me about EGL certed stones, but before he shipped it off, he gave us a call and said he was actually quite impressed with the diamond clarity and color, as before he had it brought in, he warned it that is may be 2-3 grades lower in color, even clarity.

HI:

For certain, you''ll want to insure the diamond before it is set. If there is a clairty issue/inclusion that may interfere with setting it safely, or god forbid something happen while setting, you''ll want it unsured.

cheers--Sharon

 

[Dreamer1116]

Date: 10/25/2008 11:36:53 AM
Author: canuk-gal
HI:

You ave very happy, enough said. But have it iindependantly appraised--to get validation of the characteristics of the stone for insurance purposes.

BTW, do you have a maco mode on your camera? That might help taking close up''s--and will give you practice when you need to take a million pictures when it is set!

cheers--Sharon

Absolutely! However, I thought you could have it appraised once the diamond was set???? I plan on having the complete ring appraised for insurance purposes. So I should have the diamond appraised for insurance purposes, and the have the complete ring appraised as well??? I have always been a bit confused on the insurance deal...

 

[Dreamer1116]

Date: 10/25/2008 11:56:44 AM
Author: canuk-gal

Date: 10/25/2008 11:51:02 AM
Author: Dreamer1116

Date: 10/25/2008 11:34:32 AM
Author: Moh 10
So you passed up the GIA stones in your size, cut and price range because the color and clarity wasn''t high enough?

I''m glad you found a diamond you love but I would not recommend you send it to a appraiser. If the appraiser uses GIA standards for clarity and color it will likely come back with those grades you found unacceptable.

Different labs have different standards.

I was mostly concerned with carat and cut to be quite honest. As far as color is concerned anything within G-I is perfectly fine with me. When I said ''strict''--that was more in regards to the cut (as an excellently cut can do wonders for a diamond). Before the diamond was sent out I had it looked at by three different reps at Abazias (I was very hesitant on purchasing this diamond) and they all notified me that the diamond was eye-clean, but the color is more like an H, rather than a G, but it was very ''sparkly''. In fact, one of the reps was very honest, and warned me about EGL certed stones, but before he shipped it off, he gave us a call and said he was actually quite impressed with the diamond clarity and color, as before he had it brought in, he warned it that is may be 2-3 grades lower in color, even clarity.

HI:

For certain, you''ll want to insure the diamond before it is set. If there is a clairty issue/inclusion that may interfere with setting it safely, or god forbid something happen while setting, you''ll want it unsured.

cheers--Sharon

Thanks!--That makes sense--then I will definitely get it appraised before having it set!--Thanks!!! and will do on the "close up shots"

 

[canuk-gal]

Date: 10/25/2008 11:56:51 AM
Author: Dreamer1116

Date: 10/25/2008 11:36:53 AM
Author: canuk-gal
HI:

You ave very happy, enough said. But have it iindependantly appraised--to get validation of the characteristics of the stone for insurance purposes.

BTW, do you have a maco mode on your camera? That might help taking close up's--and will give you practice when you need to take a million pictures when it is set!

cheers--Sharon

Absolutely! However, I thought you could have it appraised once the diamond was set???? I plan on having the complete ring appraised for insurance purposes. So I should have the diamond appraised for insurance purposes, and the have the complete ring appraised as well??? I have always been a bit confused on the insurance deal...

HI:

You get a more accurate description of the stone if the appraiser can view it loose. The ring I bought had it done twice--once as a loose stone (correlate with lab cert) then when set again to see that everything was still "in one piece".

cheers--Sharon

 

[lesco]

Date: 10/25/2008 11:34:32 AM
Author: Moh 10
So you passed up the GIA stones in your size, cut and price range because the color and clarity wasn''t high enough?

I''m glad you found a diamond you love but I would not recommend you send it to a appraiser. If the appraiser uses GIA standards for clarity and color it will likely come back with those grades you found unacceptable.

Different labs have different standards.

You know, the bottom line is that you found a stone you loved and that is what matters here! You were not asking for advice so feel free to disregard any of my comments.

In regards to the highlighted section above, I really consider this to be improper information for you and any other those future posters who will come and research this threads. I was there at some point in time and I appreciated the accurate information archived in this forum.

I don''t think it is good advice to tell someone that they are better off not appraising a diamond because it might come back with specs other than specified in the report? That is the whole point of verifying what you bought! This is like telling a person not to go to an annual checkup because they might be told that there is something wrong with them!

I really hope that you get the stone appraised for your future peace of mind and before the expiration of any return period you might have been honored. I think EGL stones are fine, there are many owners in this forum. I guess the consensus is that with stones graded by more lenient labs, you are better off going the extra mile. You don''t want to have any regrets once the excitement wears off. Most people have the stone appraised while loose to later reappraise the finished product.

 

[Dreamer1116]

Date: 10/25/2008 7:27:29 PM
Author: lesco

Date: 10/25/2008 11:34:32 AM
Author: Moh 10
So you passed up the GIA stones in your size, cut and price range because the color and clarity wasn''t high enough?

I''m glad you found a diamond you love but I would not recommend you send it to a appraiser. If the appraiser uses GIA standards for clarity and color it will likely come back with those grades you found unacceptable.

Different labs have different standards.

You know, the bottom line is that you found a stone you loved and that is what matters here! You were not asking for advice so feel free to disregard any of my comments.

In regards to the highlighted section above, I really consider this to be improper information for you and any other those future posters who will come and research this threads. I was there at some point in time and I appreciated the accurate information archived in this forum.

I don''t think it is good advice to tell someone that they are better off not appraising a diamond because it might come back with specs other than specified in the report? That is the whole point of verifying what you bought! This is like telling a person not to go to an annual checkup because they might be told that there is something wrong with them!

I really hope that you get the stone appraised for your future peace of mind and before the expiration of any return period you might have been honored. I think EGL stones are fine, there are many owners in this forum. I guess the consensus is that with stones graded by more lenient labs, you are better off going the extra mile. You don''t want to have any regrets once the excitement wears off. Most people have the stone appraised while loose to later reappraise the finished product.

I have decided that I am DEFINITELY having the stone appraised!--Thank you for your sound advice.

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 10/25/2008 7:27:29 PM
Author: lesco

Date: 10/25/2008 11:34:32 AM
Author: Moh 10
So you passed up the GIA stones in your size, cut and price range because the color and clarity wasn''t high enough?

I''m glad you found a diamond you love but I would not recommend you send it to a appraiser. If the appraiser uses GIA standards for clarity and color it will likely come back with those grades you found unacceptable.

Different labs have different standards.

You know, the bottom line is that you found a stone you loved and that is what matters here! You were not asking for advice so feel free to disregard any of my comments.

In regards to the highlighted section above, I really consider this to be improper information for you and any other those future posters who will come and research this threads. I was there at some point in time and I appreciated the accurate information archived in this forum.

I don''t think it is good advice to tell someone that they are better off not appraising a diamond because it might come back with specs other than specified in the report? That is the whole point of verifying what you bought! This is like telling a person not to go to an annual checkup because they might be told that there is something wrong with them!

I really hope that you get the stone appraised for your future peace of mind and before the expiration of any return period you might have been honored. I think EGL stones are fine, there are many owners in this forum. I guess the consensus is that with stones graded by more lenient labs, you are better off going the extra mile. You don''t want to have any regrets once the excitement wears off. Most people have the stone appraised while loose to later reappraise the finished product.

Very well said, lesco !

 

[Moh 10]

Personally I think getting a new purchase verified by a pro is an excellent practice.

I only recommended against it in this case because the buyer is so happy she found a G SI2 (per EGL Israel) that met her other Cs, cut, carat and cost.

The OP has expressed she feels she got a super deal and I was concerned that lower grades may disappoint her.
I was thinking of her feelings.

BTW, can a person ask the appraiser to grade it according to EGL Israel standards?
This may sound odd but buyers basically want to verify the diamond is real and is what the lab report says it is.
If labs vary why couldn't appraisers grade according to the standards of any given lab?
This could also help to illuminate the problem of inconsistent lab grading standards and perhaps help solve it.
It seems like standards not being standard is really an elephant in the diamond market's living room.

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 10/26/2008 12:14:35 AM
Author: Moh 10
Personally I think getting a new purchase verified by a pro is an excellent practice.

I only recommended against it in this case because the buyer is so happy she found a G SI2 (per EGL Israel) that met her other Cs, cut, carat and cost.

The OP has expressed she feels she got a super deal and I was concerned that lower grades may disappoint her.
I was thinking of her feelings.

Come on, thats a bit unfair - were you thinking of her feelings now too? Above she has said a number of times her main criteria are ct and cut.
I am in no way a fan of EGL-I either, but there are occasions I've seen that people have done ok. No need to rain on her parade now is there?

As to your comments about appraisers grading to EGL standards, I really don't see how that would help or improve anything? We may as well not get an appraisal if we follow your argument ??

 

[Moh 10]

Actually I was responding to Lesco's post:
Quote:

I don't think it is good advice to tell someone that they are better off not appraising a diamond because it might come back with specs other than specified in the report? That is the whole point of verifying what you bought! This is like telling a person not to go to an annual checkup because they might be told that there is something wrong with them!

End quote

Again I really think all labs should follow the same standards.
Perhaps we need government oversight like those for the food and many other industries.

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 10/26/2008 12:27:24 AM
Author: Moh 10
Actually I was responding to Lesco''s post:
Quote:

I don''t think it is good advice to tell someone that they are better off not appraising a diamond because it might come back with specs other than specified in the report? That is the whole point of verifying what you bought! This is like telling a person not to go to an annual checkup because they might be told that there is something wrong with them!

End quote

Again I really think all labs should follow the same standards.
Perhaps we need government oversight like those for the food and many other industries.

Huh?
I know what you were responding to, and I responded to your post..
Nobody is going to argue with you that all labs need to be more consistent, even the "better ones". But having an independent appraisal is one of the best methods for consumers to protect themselves, so I was simply saying I don''t know how your argument about getting the appraiser to change their standards will help anyone?

 

[Moh 10]

I did not suggest appraisers "change their standards", I was just wondering if appraisals could provide the grades that the major labs would give. This would help clear up the confusion. More information is better.

If lab standards vary why not stop pretending a G is a G is a G? Actually there is no such thing as a G. There IS a G per GIA standards, which is seen by most as the gold standard of grading. It would be nice to see people get into the habit of including the lab whenever they mention a grade.

Why not just admit there are many Gs, there is a GIA G, an EGL USA G and an EGL Israel G? This is actually not that absurd and radical. Everyone knows it is already going on in the market.

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 10/26/2008 12:45:51 AM
Author: Moh 10
I did not suggest appraisers 'change their standards', I was just wondering if appraisals could provide the grades that the major labs would give. This would help clear up the confusion. More information is better.

If lab standards vary why not stop pretending a G is a G is a G? Actually there is no such thing as a G. There IS a G per GIA standards, which is seen by most as the gold standard of grading. It would be nice to see people get into the habit of including the lab whenever they mention a grade.

Why not just admit there are many Gs, there is a GIA G, an EGL USA G and an EGL Israel G? This is actually not that absurd and radical. Everyone knows it is already going on in the market.

Well, if the appraiser usually uses GIA standards for grading, and you asked them to use EGL, would this not be "changing their standards"
I believe what you mentioned above is resolved by the appraiser having their credentials listed on their assessment, hence you know what standard they grade to.
I don't really understand how your report would look?

"This stone is a GIA G
a EGL I
a AGS G"
is this what you mean? Kinda confusing, no?
Also, a good appraiser will usually include a copy of the cert in their report, hence its kinda a non issue..

Anyways, this has been enough of a threadjack, I think it should be continued elsewhere if you wish to.

My apologies Dreamer1116 !

 

[Dreamer1116]

Date: 10/26/2008 1:07:04 AM
Author: arjunajane

Date: 10/26/2008 12:45:51 AM
Author: Moh 10
I did not suggest appraisers ''change their standards'', I was just wondering if appraisals could provide the grades that the major labs would give. This would help clear up the confusion. More information is better.

If lab standards vary why not stop pretending a G is a G is a G? Actually there is no such thing as a G. There IS a G per GIA standards, which is seen by most as the gold standard of grading. It would be nice to see people get into the habit of including the lab whenever they mention a grade.

Why not just admit there are many Gs, there is a GIA G, an EGL USA G and an EGL Israel G? This is actually not that absurd and radical. Everyone knows it is already going on in the market.

Well, if the appraiser usually uses GIA standards for grading, and you asked them to use EGL, would this not be ''changing their standards''
I believe what you mentioned above is resolved by the appraiser having their credentials listed on their assessment, hence you know what standard they grade to.
I don''t really understand how your report would look?

''This stone is a GIA G
a EGL I
a AGS G''
is this what you mean? Kinda confusing, no?
Also, a good appraiser will usually include a copy of the cert in their report, hence its kinda a non issue..

Anyways, this has been enough of a threadjack, I think it should be continued elsewhere if you wish to.

My apologies Dreamer1116 !

LOL!!!--It''s quite alright arjunajane. I appreciate all comments whether I agree, disagree, or indifferent. I have to agree with those who have given the advice to have the loose stone appraised. Again, its more so for the insurance, rather than to be able to say "I have a "G, SI2" or an "H, I1" or even a "D, IF" diamond (or whatever it maybe). I can honestly say that this diamond is beautiful and no piece of paper whether up to anyone''s standards (other than my own) or not, really doesn''t change the fact that it is lovely. My main concern at this point is to make sure that there is nothing wrong with the "structure or durability" (the correct term has slipped my mind), but perhaps there is something that I cannot detect with the naked eye that may affect the diamonds--INTEGRITY (THERE IT IS--LOL!).

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 10/26/2008 6:35:24 AM
Author: Dreamer1116

Date: 10/26/2008 1:07:04 AM
Author: arjunajane


Well, if the appraiser usually uses GIA standards for grading, and you asked them to use EGL, would this not be ''changing their standards''
I believe what you mentioned above is resolved by the appraiser having their credentials listed on their assessment, hence you know what standard they grade to.
I don''t really understand how your report would look?

''This stone is a GIA G
a EGL I
a AGS G''
is this what you mean? Kinda confusing, no?
Also, a good appraiser will usually include a copy of the cert in their report, hence its kinda a non issue..

Anyways, this has been enough of a threadjack, I think it should be continued elsewhere if you wish to.

My apologies Dreamer1116 !

LOL!!!--It''s quite alright arjunajane. I appreciate all comments whether I agree, disagree, or indifferent. I have to agree with those who have given the advice to have the loose stone appraised. Again, its more so for the insurance, rather than to be able to say ''I have a ''G, SI2'' or an ''H, I1'' or even a ''D, IF'' diamond (or whatever it maybe). I can honestly say that this diamond is beautiful and no piece of paper whether up to anyone''s standards (other than my own) or not, really doesn''t change the fact that it is lovely. My main concern at this point is to make sure that there is nothing wrong with the ''structure or durability'' (the correct term has slipped my mind), but perhaps there is something that I cannot detect with the naked eye that may affect the diamonds--INTEGRITY (THERE IT IS--LOL!).

Absolutely, this is the right attitude..Also, just make sure when you go to your insurance co, that they will cover your stone while its being set.
Sounds like you have it all under control, if you don''t have an appraiser there is a list of recommended ones at the top of this site under "resources".
I hope you enjoy your diamond for many years to come, pls come back with pics when you have it set !