e color vs1

[dinoo]

hi
i am looking for a nice diamond to propose my girl
i would like to get an h&a diamond as sparkle as it can be
this is the certificate
is it worth 6000$?
is it a nice diamond?
what is the green marks around the diamond?
thanks all
shay

 

[c-k]

Hi dinoo and welcome...

Just so you know, not all grading companies are equal, the recognized leaders are GIA and AGSL. The diamond you are looking at has a EGL lab report which many consider not as reliable as the others. That is to say where they graded the stone a E VS1 may only grade a H IS1 or maybe lower by the others. Regardless how close or how far off their lab report, the diamond should be priced to reflect the EGL lab report, which should be far less than a diamond with an GIA or AGSL report. I would only buy a EGL diamond if I see it in person and have an qualified independent appraisal.

You can buy a EGL diamond if you understand what you are getting, several have purchased EGL stones and are very happy. You need to make sure, the lab report does not make it so, that report does not guarantee anything, it simply is an opinion.

There are no such things as a steal/bargin/deal whatever you may call it when buying diamonds. They are priced as market demands. You usually get what you pay for. Be careful when you are spending thousands of dollars for a stone. Do you homework, understand diamond grading, understand cut/clarity/color/carat...I would recommend you look at several companies here, that support this web site, most sell GIA and AGSL graded diamonds and are more than willing to help you find the perfect diamond.

 

[heididdl]

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.03-carat-e-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-268221

above is a James Allen 1.03 stone by GIA with E color vs1 clarity excellent cut very good polish and excellent symmetry it is $8,260. That is what the stone you are looking should be ...

As a EGL graded E color vs1 clarity it is $6,000 as stated in previous post probably a G or H (maybe I) and a SI1 or probably s12.... so it is not comparing apples to apples.....The industry , insurance co all know that EGL grades much looser and they will value it at 3-6 grades lower. So it is so much safer to begin this process with AGS or GIA stones....

case in point http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.00-carat-h-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-201731

GIA 1.00 H color si1 clarity $6,040.....excellent cut. diamond.......

 

[dinoo]

thanks
you sure that the stone is far from what the certificate says?
it shows the flaws and h&a of the stone.
all egl is bad?
if someone can find me over here better deal i would like it.

 

[RockyRacoon]

Previous posters are right to advise you to stay away from EGL, unless you have a lot of diamond experience, or can compare the stones in-person. If you're buying via internet, stick with AGS or GIA.

For comparison purposes, here's what you can get in well-cut diamonds, with the same amount of money (after Pricescope discount) certified by reputable agencies (GIA or AGS). Both of these are beautiful stones:

1.15ct, K, VS2
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.150-k-vs2-round-diamond-ags-bl-104063639025

.91ct, H, VS2
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.910-h-vs2-round-diamond-ags-bl-104068959001

 

[c-k]

thanks
you sure that the stone is far from what the certificate says?
it shows the flaws and h&a of the stone.
all egl is bad?
if someone can find me over here better deal i would like it.

Your questions:
...No, not for sure, that is why you need to see in person, have an expert appraise it. If it were an GIA or AGSL stone, I would say the lab report is what it is.

...Yes/No, it does show some inclusions, maybe not all, or could be worse than indicated. As far as the H&A's, you need an Idealscope/H&A's Viewer to determine correctly, which it does not.

...No, some could be real good, you never know, again, you have to look at the stone. It is not that the diamond is bad, it is that the lab report shows that it is an E VS1 diamond, which it most likely is not.

...Hang in there, take a look at the top of the forum page, you can do a search. Post what your budget is, what you want in a diamond, give & takes, a true E VS1 stone is a high grade, there are very beautiful Excellent/Ideal cut H IS1 stones correctly graded.

 

[Niel]

Ask yourself this, if the stone would have graded an E, VS1 by a more reputable lab that commands a higher price tag, why wasnt it?

These types of lab reports sell a sort of comfort to the buyer. You get to tell yourself you got a high color and clarity diamond. Now it may be overpriced, and it may be a lower color grade if it was graded by another lab, and there lies the problem. As that "may" could be costing you money. If you dont know truly what you are buying, how do you know that youre getting a fair price?

I think sometimes people get hung up on what they think they should have for color and clarity, and thats what leads them to EGL stones. You looks at GIA stones in your budget and they are SI1, VS2 H's and you think "Im suppose to have a high color and clarity". EGL gives you that feeling, despite the fact that they could easily be graded lower if sent to GIA.

Get the best cut you can, first. Color, you could easily drop down to I in a solitaire. Clarity is for many, just a way to make sure your diamond doesnt have inclusions you can see. that it is "eye clean" as we say. most VS2 stone are eye clean, many SI1's are.


Spend youre money on something that you KNOW what it is.

ETA i know i said I's but this J looks pretty white and amazing.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/11405/

or this one faces up nearly 6.2 mm, and is a D! ( compare that to the one you are looking at)
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/11444/

 

[spicyitalian]

Definitely not an EGL diamond. If you are looking for a H&A stone, look for vendors like Good Old Gold or Whiteflash.

 

[dinoo]

But egl also show the flaws of the diamond, it doesnt look like vs1?
What is the green arrownd the diamond says?

 

[msop04]

What about this one? It scores well on the HCA (0.7), so it would be worth looking into...

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-dia...i-color-vvs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-227376 $5960

Also, Pricescope members get a small discount if they purchase from James Allen.

 

[LLJsmom]

Dinoo, don't take this the wrong way, but these PSers are sharing with you their personal experiences. It's not a matter of trying to argue your point. You either believe them or you don't. And to answer your question, GIA is just more strict with grading clarity than EGL, as a general statement. If you don't believe that or don't care, that is your prerogative.

 

[dinoo]

Just asking if they dosent show the right flaws?
If you cant see the real vs1? What the green around the diamond means?

 

[Abby12]

Dinoo, don't take this the wrong way, but these PSers are sharing with you their personal experiences. It's not a matter of trying to argue your point. You either believe them or you don't. And to answer your question, GIA is just more strict with grading clarity than EGL, as a general statement. If you don't believe that or don't care, that is your prerogative.

Agreed!

 

[pyramid]

Just asking if they dosent show the right flaws?
If you cant see the real vs1? What the green around the diamond means?

http://www.eglinternational.org/egl/online-verification



If you go to this link, you should be able to enter the report no and date the diamond was
graded and see the flaws on the drawing. The green lines are the facets of the round diamond, just
to show the shape of the diamond from top and bottom.

As others have said EGL is loose with their grading standards compared to GIA and AGS. If you do a search you will find many posts discussing this over the years, it is also said that EGL USA are not as far out as EGL International which unfortunately the diamond you like is. There is also an
item discussing a project which was carried out by sending stones to various labs. I will see if I can find that article.

 

[Niel]

Also let's pretend its 2 grades off color and clarity. Which I've seen them be up to 5 but let's just say for arguments sale it's a G si1

That stone still isn't well cut. Hearts and arrows refers to symmetry. It so it's symmetrical. But it's too deep. It faces up 6.3. So when set it will LOOK Like a 90 ish ct stone. So you're pay for a stone that on paper sound good; 1 ct e vs1

But in reality it won't look it, as who knows what color grade GIA would give it, and it looks like a 90 pointer.

 

[pyramid]

https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/diamond-pricing-and-labs

 

[pyramid]

Can't get your report no to work on the EGL International site.

I also could not find the article I was looking for but I came across a similar
post to yours:


[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/comparing-3-diamonds-need-help-poll-and-questions.195940/#post-3567265#p3567265']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/comparing-3-diamonds-need-help-poll-and-questions.195940/#post-3567265#p3567265[/URL]

This poster was likewise discouraged from buying EGL. As you can see he thought because
the two of his diamonds were hearts and arrows that they were better but he had not studied
the cut angles which show the first diamond to be better. Do a bit of reading up on the tutorial
about diamonds.

If you are happy with the actual diamond and the price that is fine but disregard it to be
a E VS1 because at that price and with that Grading Lab it is not. Read a bit on the forum and
you will see some of the experts i.e. jewellers and gemologists and accredited diamond appraisers
here saying the same thing. They call EGL one of the third tier labs. First tier is GIA and second tier AGS and HRD (in Europe).