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The plot is showing huge knot(s) , I am having a hard time wrapping my head around that even being possible and how it could be a si1.
Just based on that I would not consider it.
How big is the diamond?
Wanted to update with a new thread in case future users are searching by topic.
I started this thread https://www.pricescope.com/communit...tory-vs-super-ideal-diamond-questions.242933/ in order to get opinions on the relative value and cost of looking at virtual inventory vs. super ideals. The point behind the thread was to help inform my search for a 1ct stone to replace the OEC moissanite in my engagement ring.
I've been thinking about "upgrading" for over 2 years now, but wanted to be careful because it's such a sentimental setting (to me) and I didn't want to end up swapping stones multiple times unless I was totally sure.
I started with the following criteria:
An ideal cut stone
As close to 1ct (6.5mm) as possible, no less than 6.3 and no more than 6.6 because I was worried about it not fitting
Color was totally open since I actually like both warm and colorless stones for different reasons
Brown tones were a plus in a warm stone, but I didn't want anything dark, and didn't want to compromise cut for color
Max budget of 3K for the stone, potentially with a little wiggle room.
I quickly ran into a few issues. Namely, most vendors don't stock stones under K color in RB cut, and those that do are almost always limited to virtual inventory, which means less likely to have an ASET or IS. I spoke with @Rockdiamond because he had the "stone that got away" from the original thread, and also with Melissa/ @Wink from CBI.
Both have excellent customer service and are very nice and informative. Unfortunately, finding a CBI in a lower color (to make it affordable) wasn't going to be possible given the strict criteria for CBI stones. The closest was a 1.07 for 5,200, but that was honestly too much for my comfort zone (although I don't doubt for a second it would be worth it if I were more comfortable spending that much on a stone and/or richer!). The other option was an approx .85 within budget, but I really didn't want to go lower than 6.3mm.
DBL has lots of great stones, but none that were the perfect cut or color. I also looked at b2c and JA a lot, and got a few ASETs. JA was nice and helpful, but my favorite stone had a big feather on the table, which was a potential durability problem. B2C was really hard to talk to, and there were lots of communication problems. They were very confused about me liking warmer stones, and kept saying things like "all L diamonds will be dark brown", which didn't make sense. Also, lots of stones were unavailable for ASET or IS, which isn't great.
@PintoBean was awesome and suggested ID Jewelry. I first spoke with Lana, which involved a few miscommunications and was awkward at times. I was ready to give up or keep waiting until @PintoBean swooped in as my fairy godmother and told Yeukitel (spelling?) to call me directly yesterday. He found me a great option within 2 minutes on the phone, and is great. However, the stone he suggested wasn't quite *perfect*, so I had a few doubts. I spoke with him again this morning, and said I could raise my budget up to 3600 if that would significantly open up options for me. Within 2 minutes, he found THE ONE, and then went off to do his magic with negotiating on price.
He called me back this afternoon saying that the stone AND setting the stone in my existing setting would be in budget. I am totally thrilled and excited to see it.
The thing I think is important to know about B2C (or maybe others know this and I'm the only one who doesnt haha): they have an office in India, meaning they have access to stones that others simply can't get. Or not that others CAN'T get them, but that others can't get them AND have a return policy. I heard that from both IDJ and DBL: essentially, the people in India say that these vendors can get the stones, but without any return policy. So if I didn't like the stone, too bad for IDJ/DBL. They (or I) would have to eat the cost. Which doesn't work for me, or for either of those vendors, especially since I'm looking for colors that most people dislike--meaning it would be hard for the vendor to re-sell.
Sorry for the rant, but I hope this helps others! And for anyone who has made it this far, here's the GIA for my new stone, and I will certainly update with pics when I have them!
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And a video!
Not back in my hands yet, but already done, in the same day it arrived to IDJ! I asked them to make the claw prongs more "claw-like", since the pic makes it look like the ones on top aren't quite as sharp as the ones on the bottom. Yeutekil said it will ship tomorrow. I'm so excited! Videos to come!![]()
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And videos!!!!
Knots by definition are structural issues. Big knots are bigger issues, especially running along an edge. I am surprised the stone gets an Si1 for that reason alone. That grade generally would not be indicative of durability issues. But I would highly recommend the OP have this stone assessed by an independent gemologist before he is fully committed to the purchase.I can totally see the point of skipping any round brilliant diamond that has any sort of...question or consideration.
BUT- it's far too easy to "throw the baby out with the bathwater"
Practical experience has shown me that a plot gives only the tiniest of bits of usable info.
For example- an SI1 plot which has a lot of stuff- many markings- will generally mean that each of the places marked are very faint/small.
So, using this logic, an SI1 with a single imperfection is likely to be worse than an SI1 with a lot of little boogers on the report....but unfortunately, even that won't be consistent.
Looking at the grade- I can see that the stone has some interesting grading aspects to it.
I look at a lot of stones that are interesting- so my focus, after durability- is more about appearance.
It's highly unlikely that a RBC diamond which GIA graded SI1 will have structural issues.
Bottom line for me I guess- if it's a 1.00 G/SI1 - of which there are a plethora of stones out there- elimination based on anything that may or may not be an issue feels like a sound game plan. G/SI1 1.00's are just like the bus- miss one, and there'll be another along in a moment.
BUT- if we're really speaking of grading, and imperfections- it's totally case by case. So any sort of unique diamond deserves it's own day in court.
I agree Bryan- as are feathers- and even crystals can be said to have structural implications- which are all but meaningless in terms of durability in properly graded SI1 stones. The term "structural issues" makes it sound pretty bad.Knots by definition are structural issues
I'm nervous about durability here as well. I would try to find an alternative. What is your preferred budget and specs?
Yes because it still gets banged around just not as much as a ring.hmmm, potentially it helps that it's going in a pendant vs. a ring.
@Rockdiamond @Texas Leaguer and other trade members, I know you can't comment on specific stones, but IN GENERAL, would this type of inclusion worry you for a pendant stone?
But I would highly recommend the OP have this stone assessed by an independent gemologist before he is fully committed to the purchase.
I plan to put it in a pendant, but if one of the kids want it for a ring sometime in the future, I might give it to them.
I agree Bryan- as are feathers- and even crystals can be said to have structural implications- which are all but meaningless in terms of durability in properly graded SI1 stones. The term "structural issues" makes it sound pretty bad.
Putting a nail in your wall to hang up a picture causes some sort of structural issues with your wall. But it's not enough to make any sort of appreciable effect.
Huge knots are outside the comfort zone of many trade professionals but not all as shown by the opinions in this thread.With the actual diamond in hand will he be able to give me a definitive answer of yes it's just fine, or no it's not. The diamond has a 30 return policy and I had planned to do just this, but I was afraid I still might not be able to get a definite for sure answer even with the diamond in hand. Also, do you think he would be unwilling to set a diamond with this type of inclusion running along the edge. I know some of you guys are in trade, so hopefully one of you guys can answer this. If not, that's ok.
Huge knots are outside the comfort zone of many trade professionals but not all as shown by the opinions in this thread.
Predicting where any given one will fall is not possible.
I dont think anyone can give a definitive answer that it will never be issue or that it will 100% be an issue.
I can give an "opinion" that it is too much risk for me to recommend.
David who I respect a lot has the opinion that it is not to much risk for him to recommend.
Others have given their opinion also.
In the end its your money and you decide.
Yes, in general durability risks are lower on pendant stones, and even lower on earrings.hmmm, potentially it helps that it's going in a pendant vs. a ring.
@Rockdiamond @Texas Leaguer and other trade members, I know you can't comment on specific stones, but IN GENERAL, would this type of inclusion worry you for a pendant stone?
I wouldn't buy a stone with that word on the report...that just me.Knots by definition are structural issues.
@sledge looking at the picture and video would you have expected the plot to look so bad?
Have any other trades members - or consumers participating - experienced breakage in a GIA graded SI1 that was associated with a knot?
It seems to be a “mind clean” issue.
By all means, skip whatever comment bothers you on a GIA report.
Some people won’t buy a Fluorescent diamond, others seek them out.
But science is often discussed here. Fear of breakage in an RBC graded SI1 is not based on reality.
David, in general I agree with your premise, although I disagree with your last statement (I bolded). True, it is important that trade members not instill unnecessary fear in consumers. On the other hand, the OP asked specifically about durability issues with this stone. To say it is a non-issue because GIA graded it Si1 would be to instill a sense of full security that is not warranted in the case of a unique stone such as this.Have any other trades members - or consumers participating - experienced breakage in a GIA graded SI1 that was associated with a knot?
It seems to be a “mind clean” issue.
By all means, skip whatever comment bothers you on a GIA report.
Some people won’t buy a Fluorescent diamond, others seek them out.
But science is often discussed here. Fear of breakage in an RBC graded SI1 is not based on reality.