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Donald Trump: "Go Back Where You Came From"

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  1. MissStepcut
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    by MissStepcut » Jul 15, 2019
    I’m a swamp creature so I don’t have a hard time seeing the connection between my vote and my personal interests.

    But when I go home to the rural communities I grew up in, I find it very difficult to see the connection. Neither party seems to be able to make changes that break through in visible ways to rural America.
     
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    by redwood66 » Jul 15, 2019
    Is it inability or cloaked apathy? Both parties have voting blocs they know the right message delivery guarantees they will fall in line.
     
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    by MissStepcut » Jul 15, 2019
    NO! It’s not apathy! I have spent a LOT of time on the Hill with deeply passionate staffers. They want to make good, big change. It’s just so hard. Little piddling incremental change can be done, but rural America either doesn’t know it when they see it, or doesn’t see it at all.
     
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    by redwood66 » Jul 15, 2019
    This is good to know, depending on the change of course. Maybe if it were Rand Paul's office. ;)2
     
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    I don't agree there are lots of Americans that unlike yourself don't think it out that much that fit into many of those categories, they fear or dislike immigration, will vote for a party based on gun control, and so on and so forth. They celebrate a lot of what Trump represents.

    No I don't deny not all conservative voters are that stupid, and many of them deplore Trump but there are generally enough stupid (lets face it mostly white) Americans that will vote for him again. Call it tribalism, call it anything you want, stupid is as stupid does.
     
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    by Calliecake » Jul 15, 2019
    People can try to justify there actions any way they choose. It doesn’t change the fact that if you vote for Trump, you are supporting a racist.
     
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    by arkieb1 » Jul 15, 2019
    A narcissistic fairly unbalance racist that has a track record of buying women and treating women like pieces of meat. And he has proven ties to the Mafia, Russia, and a track record of tax evasion, not paying his workers and a criminal record. But lots of people can over look all of that because like it or not THEY do see something in him they either like or identify with.

    They believe that this man will do a better job than anyone else in representing their interests and making decisions politically which proves many of my generalisations in my comments above to therefore be true.
     
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    by Dancing Fire » Jul 16, 2019
    How many more racist cards does the Dems have left to play?. There are only 52 cards in a single deck.
     
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    by bludiva » Jul 16, 2019
    not the re-elected part, but i do think trump's abominable behavior has unleashed ugly things among some people who used to keep their racism, sexism, xenophobia, etc. more under wraps.
     
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    by redwood66 » Jul 16, 2019
    Abominable people were that way before Trump and IMO people's actions are their own. Anyone using someone else as an excuse for their abominable behavior is a pathetic attempt at rationalization. It's always someone else's fault. "He made me do it" is a child's argument.
     
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    by Dancing Fire » Jul 16, 2019
    CC, Yes I'm ignorant, ignorant enough to know what it would be like to live under socialism. My parents, my grandparents and my wife's parents escaped from communist China to HK then immigrated here to the US and the stories they would tell me about living under communist control would horrified those who never lived under communist control.
     
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    by Maria D » Jul 16, 2019
    Your ignorance includes conflating socialism and communism.

    This isn't about the policies of the four congresswoman. It's about "go back to where you came from." I don't enjoy your ignorance of the ideals of our country yet would still feel it's wrong for any American to tell you to go back to where you came from.
     
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    And yet there are many people in our country who continue to support a president who does abominable things. At this point no one is fooling anyone when they continue to support him.
     
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    by bludiva » Jul 16, 2019
    we should also stop conflating social safety nets with socialism also. making education, healthcare, and liveable communities a priority isn't socialist and it is good for the economy long-term but all our politicians and their lobbyists/funders seem to care about or act on is short term gains of money or power.
     
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    by MissStepcut » Jul 16, 2019
    As a conservative in DC, my bigger concern is well-intentioned people who keep getting it wrong, than people who don’t care either way.

    But bigger than either of those concerns of course is casual grift and corruption like that which takes place every day in the lobby of the Trump hotels and golf courses.
     
    


    


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    This. I can respect and disagree and debate with someone with a difference POV trying to do what they think will be good for society...and we can try to find common ground. That's such a far cry from what we have right now and not enough people seem to realize how much it is going to hurt us for years to come.
     
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    by arkieb1 » Jul 16, 2019
    I don't even think its about conservatives versus lefties any more it's about the fact you have a president that is corrupt, and can pretty well buy and bully his way out of anything, nothing sticks to this guy. He thinks he can do what he wants and so far he has, and continues to get away with it.
     
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    by Tekate » Jul 16, 2019
    One thing @MissStepcut is that rural America is shrinking.

    I'd say we should get rid totally of lobbying.

     
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    by MissStepcut » Jul 16, 2019
    It’s in the Constitution so that’d be a big lift.
     
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    by Dancing Fire » Jul 16, 2019
    I'd agree Trump is wrong for making a statement like that!. On the other hand Omar is also wrong for trashings the country she was elected to serve. I mean if you hate America so much then why would you run for public office? :confused:. Before she came to the US she didn't have a pot to piss in.
     
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    Here are some excerpts from an article in today's "The New York Times" entitled "House Condemns Trump's Attack on Four Congresswomen as Racist".

    ""WASHINGTON — The House voted on Tuesday to condemn as racist President Trump’s attacks against four congresswomen of color, but only after the debate over the president’s language devolved into a bitterly partisan brawl that showcased deep rifts over race, ethnicity and political ideology in the age of Trump.

    The measure passed nearly along party lines, 240-187, following one of the most polarizing exchanges on the House floor in recent memory. Only four Republicans and the House’s lone independent, Representative Justin Amash of Michigan, voted with all Democrats to condemn Mr. Trump.

    'I know racism when I see it, I know racism when I feel it, and at the highest level of government, there’s no room for racism,' thundered Representative John Lewis, Democrat of Georgia, an icon of the civil rights movement who was nearly beaten to death in Alabama in 1965.

    Some Republicans were just as adamant in their defense of Mr. Trump: 'What has really happened here is that the president and his supporters have been forced to endure months of allegations of racism,' said Representative Dan Meuser, Republican of Pennsylvania. 'This ridiculous slander does a disservice to our nation.'

    Republicans ground the proceedings to a halt shortly before the House was preparing to vote on the nonbinding resolution, which calls Mr. Trump’s tweets and verbal volleys 'racist comments that have legitimized increased fear and hatred of new Americans and people of color.' Republicans voted en masse against the measure, which was the Democrats’ response to Mr. Trump’s attacks on Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, Ayanna S. Pressley of Massachusetts and Rashida Tlaib of Michigan, who he said should 'go back' to their countries, a well-worn racist trope that he has continued to employ in the days since.

    'There’s no excuse for any response to those words but a swift and strong, unified condemnation,' Ms. Pelosi said as the House debated the resolution. 'Every single member of this institution, Democratic and Republican, should join us in condemning the president’s racist tweets.'

    As Republicans rose to protest, Ms. Pelosi turned toward them on the House floor and picked up her speech, her voice rising as she added, 'To do anything less would be a shocking rejection of our values and a shameful abdication of our oath of office to protect the American people.'

    Representative Doug Collins of Georgia, the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee, made a formal objection to the remarks, charging that they had violated the rules of decorum in the House, which call for lawmakers to avoid impugning the motives of their colleagues or the president. It was a stunning turn for a resolution that was drafted in response to Mr. Trump’s own incendiary language.

    Mr. Trump on Tuesday denied that his tweets were racist and implored House Republicans to reject the measure. The president raged on Twitter, calling the House resolution a 'con game' as he renewed his harsh criticism of the congresswomen.

    'Those Tweets were NOT Racist,' Mr. Trump wrote. 'I don’t have a Racist bone in my body! The so-called vote to be taken is a Democrat con game. Republicans should not show "weakness" and fall into their trap.'

    Later at the White House, the president did not back away from his original comment, saying of the quartet, 'they can leave.'

    'They should love our country. They shouldn’t hate our country,' he continued.

    The vote on Tuesday evening marked a show of unity for Democrats who had been squabbling for weeks — and a test of Republican principles. But as the debate played out, the scene devolved into a spectacle. Republicans sought to turn the tables and condemn Ms. Pelosi for her remarks about Mr. Trump — which many Democrats had echoed in their own speeches before her — touching off tumult as officials scrambled to review House rules and determine how to proceed.

    At one point, Representative Emanuel Cleaver II, Democrat of Missouri, who was presiding in the House when Republicans challenged Ms. Pelosi’s words, banged the gavel, rose from the marble dais, and stormed off the House floor. 'We aren’t ever, ever going to pass up, it seems, an opportunity to escalate, and that’s what this is,' Mr. Cleaver said, his voice rising in frustration. 'We want to just fight.'

    For their part, Republicans took to the floor not to defend the president’s remarks but to condemn Democrats for what they called a breach of decorum for calling Mr. Trump out.

    Ultimately, it was left to Representative Steny H. Hoyer, the majority leader, to recite the official ruling that Ms. Pelosi had, in fact, violated a House rule against characterizing an action as 'racist.' The move by Republicans to have her words stricken from the record then failed along party lines, and Ms. Pelosi was unrepentant.

    'I stand by my statement,' she said as she strode through the Capitol. 'I’m proud of the attention being called to it, because what the president said was completely inappropriate.'


    The scene underscored the intensity of feeling sparked by Mr. Trump’s latest comments. Republicans spent the day not so much defending the president’s tweets as arguing that Democrats, particularly Ms. Ocasio-Cortez’s 'Squad,' were no better.

    'In those tweets, I see nothing that references anybody’s race — not a thing — I don’t see anyone’s name being referenced in the tweets, but the president’s referring to people, congresswomen, who are anti-American,' said Representative Sean P. Duffy, Republican of Wisconsin. 'And lo and behold, everybody in this chamber knows who he’s talking about.'

    His comments prompted an angry response from Representative Pramila Jayapal, Democrat of Washington, who sought to register an official objection. She said the use of the word 'anti-American' was 'completely inappropriate' but was not allowed to formally ask to have the words stricken.

    At a closed-door meeting of House Democrats on Tuesday morning, Ms. Pelosi set the stage for the debate, calling the four freshman congresswomen 'our sisters,' and saying the insults to which Mr. Trump had subjected them echo hurtful and offensive remarks he makes every day.

    'So this is a resolution based in who we are as a people, as well as a recognition of the unacceptability of what his goals were,' Ms. Pelosi told Democrats, according to an aide present for the private meeting who described her remarks on condition of anonymity. 'This is, I hope, one where we will get Republican support. If they can’t support condemning the words of the president, well, that’s a message in and of itself.'


    A smattering of Republicans have denounced the president’s performance, including Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker. Mr. Trump’s comments 'were shameful, they were racist,' he told WBUR in Boston, 'and they bring a tremendous amount of, sort of, disgrace to public policy and public life and I condemn them all.'

    But Republican leaders refrained from criticizing Mr. Trump, at least directly, and top House Republicans were pressing their colleagues to oppose the resolution.

    During the meeting on Tuesday morning, Representative Jim McGovern, Democrat of Massachusetts and the chairman of the Rules Committee, warned members to take care with their language during the debate, including checking with the official in charge of enforcing floor procedures to make sure their speeches would not violate House rules against making personal references to the president on the floor.

    Ms. Pelosi advised Democrats to focus on how Mr. Trump’s “words were racist,” which would keep them in compliance with the rules. Later, after Mr. Collins objected to her speech, Ms. Pelosi shot back that she had cleared them in advance to ensure they were within bounds.


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    Ms. Pelosi is a brilliant Speaker of the House for The Democratic Party.

    AGBF​
     
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    Yes she is. That's why I believe she'll also have a house vote to condemn Omar for her Anti-Semitic remarks. :clap:
     
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    by cmd2014 » Jul 17, 2019
    I read an interesting article which suggested that Trump is doing this deliberately to shift attention away from his incompetence, knowing that his supporters (and many of the people in the swing vote areas) will not only not care, but that goading the Democrats into taking the bait and turning this into an issue will put off the very people that they need to persuade to come to their side and cost them the election. I actually think this is true.
     
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    Naw this:

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