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Does anyone know FREDDY DIAMONDS? (Clarity Enhanced Diamond)

spiritjim

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Hi,

Does anyone know if FREDDY DIAMONDS has good diamonds?
I am new to this and I don't really know if a Clarity Enhanced Diamond is good or not. It's a laser clarity enhanced.
Does it stay in good condition in the long term?
I won't be reselling the ring in the future

Thanks,
 
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spiritjim|1295301023|2825246 said:
Hi,

Does anyone know if FREDDY DIAMONDS has good diamonds?
I am new to this and I don't really know if a Clarity Enhanced Diamond is good or not. It's a laser clarity enhanced.
Does it stay in good condition in the long term?
I won't be reselling the ring in the future

Thanks,
NOT :!: ...stay away from CE diamonds. my uncle FREDDY (the used car salesman) now selling diamonds?... :lol:
 
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Hi, I am going to quote this post from one of our appraisers who participates on PS

Post by denverappraiser » 15 Dec 2010 20:16
'Enhanced' is a BIG DEAL.

Depending on what their grading system is and what you are comparing it with, CE stones can be as little as 1/10 of the cost of a properly documented untreated natural stone. The language for describing them is extremely different even though the acronyms look similar. SI1-enhanced, for example, has nothing whatever to do with GIA-SI1 clarity.

Do some research with Google. Search on 'fracture filled diamond', 'clarity enhanced diamond' and 'yehuda diamond'. Don't do this deal until you understand what it means. It's one of the forbidden topics here but you can learn more about it elsewhere.
 
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Hi spiritjim,
I can't comment on another seller- but I can discuss the terms you've used.
Generally speaking- the term "clarity enhanced" refers to fracture filled, or yehuda treated diamonds.

Denverappraiser was referring to such treatments in the quote above.
Laser drilled stones are in a different category.
These stones are still not for everyone, but laser drilled diamonds are eligible for GIA grading, unlike filled stones.
The differences: Filled stones are...well, filled with silicon. This filling can change due to heat- for example when a jeweler works on a ring the stone is set in.
Laser drilling can be considered like an additional facet. A laser is used to drill a channel to a black imperfection, The stone is then boiled in acid, which will turn a black carbon spot white.
This will not change regardless of the application of heat.
IMO, it's crucial for the vendor to make sure buyers understand what type of diamond they are offering.
 
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Hi,

It'd be best to stay away from clarity enhanced diamonds. If you're on a budget, it's better to a) go with a smaller stone or b) save up for the size you're wanting.

I've never heard of Freddy Diamonds but just googled them. Their prices are suspiciously low! ;)
 
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Rockdiamond|1295315201|2825399 said:
Hi spiritjim,
I can't comment on another seller- but I can discuss the terms you've used.
Generally speaking- the term "clarity enhanced" refers to fracture filled, or yehuda treated diamonds.

Denverappraiser was referring to such treatments in the quote above.
Laser drilled stones are in a different category.
These stones are still not for everyone, but laser drilled diamonds are eligible for GIA grading, unlike filled stones.
The differences: Filled stones are...well, filled with silicon. This filling can change due to heat- for example when a jeweler works on a ring the stone is set in.
Laser drilling can be considered like an additional facet. A laser is used to drill a channel to a black imperfection, The stone is then boiled in acid, which will turn a black carbon spot white.
This will not change regardless of the application of heat.
IMO, it's crucial for the vendor to make sure buyers understand what type of diamond they are offering.

David thanks for clearing this up. So the laser-drilled diamonds do not pose an integrity risk during work/setting, while the other types
of diamonds may?
 
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Risk of damage during setting is not caused by the filling but most of the stones sent in for filling are I2’s to start with and there may be problems already. The process doesn’t actually make anything go away, it just makes certain types of inclusions harder to spot. If there’s a durability risk, it was there before the filling process. The additional risk from the filling has to do with heat. Diamonds are spectacularly heat resistant little things and it’s common for jewelers during repair to heat them up to hundreds of degrees as a matter of course. This won’t affect an untreated diamond in the slightest but the treatment can boil out of the cracks and the result is even uglier than it was before it was treated in the first place. A similar problem can happen with strong acids. Most people don’t point torches at their diamonds or immerse them in strong acids so it’s easy to forget that special care is required if they want to own one of these and there’s a nasty surprise when they have it sized or retipped. Even this isn't usually damaging the diamond itself, it's the filling that's being screwed up, but the affect on the look of the stone is enormous. Incidentally, the filling can usually be repaired if this happens and the quality companies in this business offer a warranty against exactly this problem.

Laser drilling is completely different. Actually, as recently as a decade ago this wasn't even considered a treatment but rather part of the cutting process but the FTC changed their mind and now it requires specific disclosure for stones being sold in the US. It's permanent (and unreversable) and does not pose any additional risks.
 
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As always Neil, thank you for your informative post!
 
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Thank you for all your help.
I prefer to go smaller and have a real diamond.
 
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spiritjim|1295389537|2826062 said:
Thank you for all your help.
I prefer to go smaller and have a real diamond.


Good choice in my opinion.
 
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Hi, I'll preface this with 1.) I am a novice, 2.) started looking around for a diamond, and 3.) slowly becoming obsessed with diamond knowledge.

To me it seems like laser drilled diamonds are not a bad choice. From the reviews I have read the diamonds that Freddy Diamonds sells are beautiful and there is a 30 day money back guarantee.

It seems like laser drilling does not do any harm to the structure of the diamond that would cause problems later. You can spend less and get a larger and just as good looking (to the naked eye - which is all that matters to "Joe EngagementRingBuyer").

Even in this thread I do not see a reason to not get a laser drilled diamond to maximize your value. Can anyone convince me otherwise?
 
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JohnnyCat5|1316051831|3017909 said:
Hi, I'll preface this with 1.) I am a novice, 2.) started looking around for a diamond, and 3.) slowly becoming obsessed with diamond knowledge.

To me it seems like laser drilled diamonds are not a bad choice. From the reviews I have read the diamonds that Freddy Diamonds sells are beautiful and there is a 30 day money back guarantee.

It seems like laser drilling does not do any harm to the structure of the diamond that would cause problems later. You can spend less and get a larger and just as good looking (to the naked eye - which is all that matters to "Joe EngagementRingBuyer").

Even in this thread I do not see a reason to not get a laser drilled diamond to maximize your value. Can anyone convince me otherwise?
I agree, properly graded (meaning GIA or AGSL) laser drilled stone have gotten a bad rap. On the other hand, they're a commercial disaster because of the word 'enhanced' and they are mostly gone from the market. I think you'll be hard to find one and you sure won't be able to be picky choosing between several. When I see the word 'enhanced', it nearly always is referring to a completely different prices. If you've found a particular drilled stone that you're considering, by all means post the specs here and let the gurus do their analysis. Maybe it's a bargain, maybe not. It's always in the details with diamonds.
 
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I've had the most horrible experience contacting Freddy recently. I don't normally participate in forums, however the experience was so brutal that I think it's valuable to share with others who were interested in purchasing from Freddy Diamonds.

I've had a long email conversation with Freddy, where he was extremely unprofessional, rude, sarcastic, and not helpful. I've never felt so disrespected from a sales person, especially when I showed interest in spending a great amount of money in purchasing a 2.5 carat diamond.

He made it seem like my business was worthless to him, and I was wasting his time. I asked if I can call him to further discuss pricing, however he did not confirm if I can call in the evening. He then emailed me back and accused me for claiming that I will call, and that he waited in his office all night for my call. He advised that he was not interested in discussing price flexibility with me anymore because I was dishonest, and he only deals with dishonest buyers. I apologized for the confusion since he did not confirm I should call. He emailed back with a sarcastic response where every other word was "Yes, please call, absolutely call, me want call, yes call, please call".

I think his customer service is absolutely unacceptable, and I would highly discourage anyone to purchase from him due to his immature behaviour.
 
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**edited by moderator. We don't allow shills or spammers on PS for businesses.**
 
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Freddy Diamonds was great! Not to sure how many people here are sellers of more expensive diamonds or have actually bought one in this forum but I must say my husband bought one from him and it was everything he said it was to be very nice for our budget with the slightest of inclusions very nice. A real nice diamond shipped to us free and in fact I liked the review from Wayne above because he mentioned that Freddy Diamonds discloses everything and it is absolutely a nice alternative my experience was great and from the looks of my diamond you be the judge! :wavey: :appl:

Thank you Freddy for a great deal for my husband and a gorgeous real diamond!

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noticed this on Freddy Diamonds. "Real Diamonds, Hand Cut and enhanced. Real Diamonds From Planet Earth that have simply been cleaned up with a laser or pressurized with 4000 lbs of oxygen pressure per Square Inch to to minimize any natural occuring imperfections."

Obviously they offer laser drilled diamonds and also offer glass-filled ones, too. The laser drilled are far less problematic than the glass filled ones. Rarely is a laser drilled diamond a true VS2, but it could be. I have yet to see a glass filled diamond that was better than I1 before it was filled. The grading of clarity is legitimate only when if refers to the original clarity of the stone before it was filled. Labs that grade glass filled for clarity as they look with the filling are creating issues of great concern to consumers.

I would strongly disagree that a UGL report is an Independent GIA Appraisal. It is so easy to say anything until someone who knows better points it out. There is no such thing as a GIA Appraisal.

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Re:Happy after reading all the comments bought and love

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We Thank you all and yes we bought from Freddy thank you for your kind words.

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Tom gave me the diamond he got from Freddy after I showed him the site about a week ago ( so happy )my diamond from Freddy - all I can say is that my fiance and I are very happy with our purchase. We were surprised so many of the people in the industry on this site were so angry and outraged that it only made us realize that buying from Freddy was going to save us several thousand dollars. We read all the things people were saying but it became clear that the people buying from Freddy were very happy, and had real diamonds that were far better than they could afford.

So this weekend Tom and I went on a weekend getaway to Hershey PA we visited the Hershey factory and when we got back to our hotel waiting for me was the diamond I had always dreamed of a 2.5 ct diamond in a gold accent setting. Tom told me later on that he went Freddy's site after I had shown it to him and now my dreams have come true thanks to Freddy. I am happy, and I hope others can be as happy as we are, we are totally informed and appreciate allowing me to be happy without scaring away or taking away my happiness.

God bless you all and I have the highest praise for this lovely diamond thanks to Freddy
. :wavey: :appl:
 
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Ay yi yi.
 
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love all these new posters who is supporting my uncle Freddy "the used car salesman"... :lol:
 
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good thing all these freddy users found the font size button
 
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Can the mods just delete all these <10 post users posts? They're obviously spam..
 
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Nice fuzzy pictures too!
 
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Freddy Diamonds: Wasn't he a minor mob figure back in the '70s? Moved back and forth between Youngstown and New Kensington, as I recall. :lol:
(ducking and running...)
 
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Colored stones are quite popular for use in erings rings, have you considered this as an option? Diamond prices on the second hand market are typically 30%-50% less than retail as well. If you are interested in either of these options we can help you find something perfect!
 
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I don't think that all the people (2) with <10 posts are spammers or whatever - simply they've done a google search for Freddy Diamonds when doing research prior to buying and then, after buying and finding decent quality to be present, they felt compelled to post a review to the contrary of the majority of responders in this thread supporting Freddy's clarity enhanced diamonds.

I am a person who falls on both sides of the fence in this discussion. My husband bought a diamond from Freddy, a 1.5 carat. I was really ambivalent, and didn't feel too good about it, but it turned out that I actually really love the diamond and have very minor beefs with it. The only problem I have is that it is too small...I originally wanted a 2 carat (minimum), but my husband was in school, and he balked at the prices, so out of feeling bad I said I wanted a 1.5-2 carat - thus he got the 1.5. It's not such a big deal, but I'm definitely at the stage where I know I'm not satisfied with this diamond and the minute that we can afford an upgrade, I will jump at the chance.

However, as to the diamond itself, I actually really think it's quite good quality. The color is not yellow in the slightest - as some clarity enhanced diamonds sold on websites seem to misrepresent the color grade or at least make it seem like their scale is GIA based when in fact it's clearly not (as evidenced by the videos of the ring in real life, especially rings with halos, where the center stone is CLEARLY yellowish or some clearly color discrepancy compared to the halo stones around it). Looking down from the table, the ring sparkles nicely and is primarily eye clean. I have eyes like a hawk (20/10 vision), and when I stare for awhile, I can make out possible inclusions which are tiny black specks, but this really requires concentrated straining of the eyes on my part. So 99.9% of the time, when I look at my ring, I am pleased by the sparkliness and beauty of it.

Now for the bad: when I inspect the diamond from the side, I can clearly see the little speckly inclusions. I don't know what clarity enhancement process was used - not really important to me - but clearly it wasn't very thorough because I can still see speckly things in the diamond from the side angle. As I mentioned, this does not bother me because when I look at the diamond, it's very sparkly and not cloudy and I don't see inclusions etc.

Bad #2: someone mentioned having a really horrible customer service experience with Freddy, and I believe him 100% - every bit of what he said. Not to say that I had this same experience, but I think I had read about Freddy's easily provoked nature, and thus handled him more tactfully when I spoke with him. My problem was that my diamond seemed much smaller on my finger (which is small at a 3.75) than other women's 1.5 carats with bigger fingers than mine on wedding bee etc. I knew from extensive comparison of diamonds on Blue Nile that average width for 1.5 carats is about 7.4 mm, sometimes wider. Finally, after agonizing and feeling like I was a horrible person for being ungrateful and thinking (and really feeling almost positive) that my 1.5 was really a 1.3, I took out my measuring tape and measured directly across the top of the table to acquire a diameter. SURE ENOUGH, the diameter was 7.1.

Now, I KNOW that there are surely 1.5 carat stones with a 7.1 mm diameter, but they are really in the minority on loose diamond sites like Blue Nile, leading me to infer that perhaps my diamond has been quite poorly cut (in spite of the fact that it sparkles quite a bit) in order to lead to such a narrow table diameter. I called the 800 number, and eventually spoke to Freddy (he called me from a different number) about switching out my diamond for a correct 1.5 (because when I saw the 7.1 I was sure there was a mistake). So he said that if I FedExed it to him he would take a look and if there was a mistake he would happily replace it with a true 1.5. So I sent it, but then he called me back saying that it was actually a 1.5 and there was no mistake. I as sweetly as possible, with not a hint of confrontation in my voice asked if he might possibly look around through some of his other 1.5s and find one with a wider table diameter, and here is where I saw some of the rudeness come out that was referred to earlier. He became a bit condescending and rude, telling me that millimeters are the width of a piece of paper and it doesn't make any difference at all, even though that is TOTALLY RIDICULOUS considering the width between a 1.5 and 2 carat IS ONE MILLIMETER. Anyway, I could see he was becoming bullish, so I stopped pushing. He re-set the stone and promptly returned it to me.

In sum, while I think his customer service manners are WAY out of line and his tact is down to zero - I do think that he offers a product which can be really valuable to many people, including to someone like me who feels like she has a particularly high standard that needs to be met in terms of the appearance of a diamond. I think it also counts against Freddy that many of the claims on the website are either unsubstantiated or false, which another responder in this post pointed out. That has to do with fundamental integrity and transparency - misrepresentation of any kind is unacceptable in my view, especially when dealing with a product that is as big of an investment as diamonds! In my view, buying a diamond needs to be like getting plastic surgery - consultations are free, generous, completely transparent and honestly have the goal of educating the person just as much in mind as the goal of acquiring a new customer.

Anyway, I am posting a couple of pictures of my ring, so that people can take a look and judge the quality for themselves:
the setting is platinum, not sure what the specs of the pave diamonds are.

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Thanks for the review. I've looked into CE diamonds that a jeweler here carries, and found pretty much the same thing: Not cut to Pricescope standards. So that is where I stopped. But I concur that clarity enhancement does have its merits.
 
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There are VERY few places I'd buy a clarity enhanced diamond from, a lot of them have been done badly in Asia and India they start life as I2s with shocking cuts looking like cr#p and usually end up going back that way after a few years of wear and tear. Many look like frozen spit in less than a year. :errrr:

All of our mystery posters in favour of them have put pics that are either blurred or taken so far away you cannot see the diamond. Are they are good as a smaller decent cut stone, as bright with as much fire? NO the answer is no. I guess I am biased here because I'd take a smaller well cut diamond that would knock your socks off when you can see it across a room any day, compared to a milky sh#tty looking, badly cut ball of snot, but each to their own....

If you are going to buy one at least do your research and by a decent one that is guaranteed for at least 10 years or your money back or a replacement with no questions asked if it does start looking like yuck or from a place that has a trade in and trade up policy.
 
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clarity enhanced and poorly cut stones seem to go hand in hand based on the diamonds that I had seen with CE.
 
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ari057|1399013114|3664931 said:
In sum, while I think his customer service manners are WAY out of line and his tact is down to zero - I do think that he offers a product which can be really valuable to many people, including to someone like me who feels like she has a particularly high standard that needs to be met in terms of the appearance of a diamond. I think it also counts against Freddy that many of the claims on the website are either unsubstantiated or false, which another responder in this post pointed out. That has to do with fundamental integrity and transparency - misrepresentation of any kind is unacceptable in my view, especially when dealing with a product that is as big of an investment as diamonds! In my view, buying a diamond needs to be like getting plastic surgery - consultations are free, generous, completely transparent and honestly have the goal of educating the person just as much in mind as the goal of acquiring a new customer.
You should have bought a CZ.
 
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Wow, this thread was better off in obscurity. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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