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laurenk

laurenk

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Hi everyone,
After an upgrade slight mishap I'm going to view a 3.02 carat princess on Friday which is an H colour but P1 clarity. No black carbon just some rather large feathers which, once set, may not be hugely noticeable.

Two questions I have are:

1: 7.7 x 7.95 as the surface dimensions (I don't know depth yet) is this average, small or large for a 3 carat pricness?

2. Who owns a P1 diamond without carbon and do you regret it, love it, recommend it??

I would love the finger coverage of a 3 carat (my finger is 4 1/2) but I don't want to be "embarrased" by a "yucky" diamond. Obviously I need to inspect this but would like some general info

Xxxx
 
My brother unknowingly bought his finance a P2 (equivalent to I2). I have to say, the stone performed very badly even though it didn't have black spots. Something was just "off" with the way it sparkled. Personally, I wouldn't compromise that much on the clarity but you'll just have to view the stone in person and I'm sure you know for sure immediately you clap eyes on it.

Good luck!
 
I bought a D, SI2graded by EGL that came back as an I1 by GIA. It was a 2ct RB and completely eye clean with lots of sparkle. I still think I could still go back and challenge the grading to get an SI2 but since I'm not trying to sell my dimaond any more I don't see the point.

Anyhow I personally wouldn't buy an I1 diamond that has eye visible inclusions. That would drive me batty for my ering. I would do it (and have done it) for a RHR that I wear on occassion but I want my eyering to be eye clean.

And I don't know anything about princess cuts but I would think for 3cts it would face up larger then 7.7 x 7.95. I know a round 2ct faces up at 8mm.

I would go up in clarity and go down in size to get something that won't have inclusions.
 
Of course, you'll have to look yourself, Lauren but I would be careful with that grading.
My own personal feeling is that I wouldn't be likely to go to that grade.

If you are at all uncertain, keep looking!
 
A 3 carat princess cut diamond should be approx. 8 mm square at its face. However, many princess cuts are notoriously deep, so be sure to get an ASET on it.
 
Large feathers (cracks) would not even be a consideration for me, and especially in a princess cut. And I wouldn't even consider that clarity in any 3 ct stone. I think you'd be making a huge mistake. Again, there are millions of stones out there. Please do not limit yourself to the two or so that your jeweler has in stock.
 
HI Lauren,
Hopefully you've seen the stone.
As we go lower in clarity, the variation possible gets greater and greater.
So an SI1 can have only so much variation, while an I1 can have a far greater degree of variation.
A stone described as P1 can be troublesome- especially in a princess cut.
If the feathers are large, and cut across corners there's a possibility they may offer structural weakness.....

Have you seen the stone?
Who described it as P1? Is there a lab report?
 
Will go in and have a good look at about 4 stones that are suitable - I also feel that the 3 carat with p1 clarity could be a mistake - so ill look at it but see what else is there. My jeweller is going to bring in more stone early September so Im happy to wait and have a good look at all.

Thanks everyone
 
So..... I saw the 3 carat princess. I must say I'm a little bit in love. The p1 clarity consists of one tinsy spec of carbon (not visible without a loup) and two what look like "scratches" in surface which once set aren't that obvious. We put it in a loose mount to get an overall effect and its so much whiter than my 1.5 "I" colour princess.

I still don't know if I'm being spoilt even considering this stone.

Compared to my current stone I feel the colour is great and if I am happy with clarity and these issues are set well within stone (so it cannot fracture or hurt it) then with the good "h" colour I'm wondering if I'm crazy not to take this opportunity to get myself a 3 carat?

My jeweller is very relaxed and honest with me (I've known him for many years) and he said clarity is an issue but that I need to decide if I can handle it and if I can then its a good stone for its size and colour.

My only alternative is doing a halo to my current "I" colour 1.5 - what I want is that "bling" effect but good colour. If I haloed my "I" colour would this further bring out the warmth or make it better?

Thanks to you all - I want to make a good decision and would love any advice further to what you have kindly offered this far

:)
 
diamondseeker2006|1377102731|3507332 said:
Large feathers (cracks) would not even be a consideration for me, and especially in a princess cut. And I wouldn't even consider that clarity in any 3 ct stone. I think you'd be making a huge mistake. Again, there are millions of stones out there. Please do not limit yourself to the two or so that your jeweler has in stock.
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I agree with diamondseeker... don't limit yourself. If there is no reason for you to be in a hurry to upgrade, just wait a bit and get a stone with at least SI clarity grading. Do you have to use that specific jeweler? :|

Also, what is your budget? If you are set on using that jeweler, how much is he giving you on a trade and how much do you want to pay out of pocket? In other words, if you don't mind disclosing how much the jeweler is charging for said 3 carat P1 (I1), then we can at least try to see if it's within reason compared to other similar stones online... and maybe even give you some info to possibly negotiate a better price. ;)
 
I absolutely adore high color diamonds so i understand the appeal to get the biggest whitest one within budget. Clarity affects performance and more importantly durability. Are you fully aware of the implication the inclusions have on the stone? You wrote that there were large feathers, are you not worried that the diamond might crack? Will insurance cover should that happen?
 
I agree with Diamond seeker.

I would go down to I1 for the right stone, for a pendant. Maybe even earrings.

But not for a ring. For one thing. For one thing most will not be eyeclean, and that would bother me. And most will not be safe, and that's just a flat no. Especially in a princess. Princesses had four corners, and are prone to chipping as it is. I wouldn't add feathers and what not to that.

I would definitely expand your horizons.
 
Hi everyone - I think deep down I know this isn't a good move but I'm swayed by the "3" carat thing!

If its ok with you ill post the certification once I receive it so those of you who feel like it can assess it.

My 1.5 "I" vvs2 was $9000 and this 3 carat "h" p1 is $16000.

The more I look at my 1.5 the more I am loving it however the colour does sometimes bother me. It can look icy white then it can look vanilla sometimes.....

Should I just halo it? I'd love to know if this could further affect the warmth or make it better.

I've looked on bluenile and James allen and can see a 3 carat h princess for circa $24k....

I wonder if I should return stone and rings get my old diamond back and my money and start fresh? I don't know if I can do that though...
 
laurenk|1377331889|3509049 said:
Hi everyone - I think deep down I know this isn't a good move but I'm swayed by the "3" carat thing!

If its ok with you ill post the certification once I receive it so those of you who feel like it can assess it.

My 1.5 "I" vvs2 was $9000 and this 3 carat "h" p1 is $16000.

I've looked on bluenile and James allen and can see a 3 carat h princess for circa $24k....

I wonder if I should return stone and rings get my old diamond back and my money and start fresh? I don't know if I can do that though...
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The price they are asking would be the first HUGE RED FLAG to me. Something just doesn't add up here. If I can be honest here, I'm willing to bet it's because the stone is crap. I'm sorry, but there is no way in h*** I'd buy that 3 ct princess. If it were me, I would start fresh and wash my hands clean of this stone. Period. ::)

FWIW, I found it interesting that in the vast inventory of JA princesses, including all cuts, colors and prices (over 6000 stones), they carried less than 100 I1 stones. Of those 100, there were 3 I would consider for earrings or a pendant (maybe a RHR), and all were 0.5 ct or less, D-E, and ideal cuts. http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-dia...lected=3&ps=15&DiamondID=242972,238765,245011
However, there wasn't even one that I would consider for an ering.

If you will tell us your budget, we will try to find a much better quality stone. You mentioned the princess was $16K -- is that your top budget?
 
I have done some searches on JA, and these are the results I've found...

2.30 - 4.0 carat
Ideal cut
D - H color
IF - SI2
$400 - $20,000
Matches: (1) 2.50 ct H/SI2 Ideal (7.39 x 7.32)
Price: $19,500
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-dia...00&PriceTo=20000&Sort=Price asc, DefaultOrder


2.51 - 4.0 carat
Ideal Cut
D - H color
IF - SI2
$19,500 - 26,000
Matches: (5)
Stones worth looking into:

2.62 ct, G/VS2, (7.71 x 7.67) @ $22.900
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut/2.62-carat-g-color-si2-clarity-sku-226994

2.55 ct, H/VS1, (7.67 x 7.66) @ $25,170
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut/2.55-carat-h-color-vs1-clarity-sku-223310

OP, I'm afraid you are either going to have to increase your budget significantly or lower your expectations on carat weight/size. If it were me, I'd scrap princess cut altogether and get another cut that will face up larger, like a round, pear, oval, or marquise.
 
Remember not all feathers will crack further, usually only if they are cleavage feather in a cleavage direction, meaning narrow flat
feathers, like could be between the layers of an onion skin as diamond has a similar make up.

A crystal can have a lot of pressure in it and sometimes they have strain, or explode when on the cutting wheel so they
are as dangerous as feathers and sometimes moreso. Yet lots of VS2 diamonds and higher are sold with crystal inclusions.

If you like the look of the diamond and the carbon colour crystal does not bother you I would go for it as you won't get
another 3 carat at that price. The reason why most jewellers have lower quality stones is because MOST people are not
addicted to diamonds and want to spend their money on other things too so would not put more than $16000 in a single stone. Ofcourse if you have limitless money then it doesn't matter and you need to spend time looking for the impeccable piece of
museum quality diamond to spend your large sums on.

You said in another thread that this was your forever stone, so it depends on what you want, a $16000 diamond is not cheap but
not a high quality diamond at 3 carat size either. You need to think if you would want to spend that same sum on a smaller diamond but with higher quality or are you happy giving up the quality but gaining size instead. Or do you want to put more of you income over the years into a more expensive stone and therefore wait to buy it longer or do a trade up programme.
 
Why waste $16K on a salt & pepper stone?... :confused:
 
double it and spend more than $32000 then on a stone less than 2 carat instead of buying a 5 carat O/P SI1?
 
Dancing Fire|1377378443|3509232 said:
Why waste $16K on a salt & pepper stone?... :confused:
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Kinda my thoughts as well... :?
 
Pyramid|1377378877|3509234 said:
double it and spend more than $32000 then on a stone less than 2 carat instead of buying a 5 carat O/P SI1?[/quote
I suppose I've always wanted color over clarity - so I'd never look at a stone that colour - is this your point pyramid? You may get a better clarity but yucky colour as opposed to better color and worse clarity?
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Yes, just meaning large stone poor clarity is just another option from large stone poor color or smaller stone high color.

It all depends on the amount of money you have or in your budget but ALSO on how much money you personally want
to spend on a diamond and your interest in diamond - if not for purpose of an engagement then an upgrade may
depend on if it is a lifelong love of diamonds, a passing fad or an obsession even.

I often think of the graphic equalisers on music systems as one time I came across a forum where people were discussing
them and spending thousands on systems much like here on diamonds and then I came to think that if you didn't
know about these things music still sounds good just maybe not the same as to those who could tune in to the finer parts
of it much like wine tasting.

Nothing wrong with spending a lot on a 3 carat if you have the means and know that you want to spend that long term
but if the jeweller said the stone is durable and you like it maybe test your eyes on better diamonds and get a second
opinion from an appraiser before buying it if it is the one for you long term. Only thing is if you wanted to sell it then
it may be more difficult to sell than a SI1.
 
I would probably go for the 2.62 G VS2 but then again I wouldn't want a 3 carat as it would be too big for me and I
would prefer G to H or would have gone for H as it is less money. I wouldn't want a princess but that is just
my preference just as yours is for a 3 carat princess diamond, but how long have you wanted a 3 carat!!!
If I could afford a 2.62 D FL I may go for that but then I may go for a more expensive Ruby instead. I may
not want diamonds as I would be a different person:)
 
Lauren, you need to set your maxiumum budget. If it is $16k, then I wouldn't settle for the $9k I color princess. You can at least get something under 2 cts and go to G or H color and VS2 to SI1 clarity. There is no way I'd complete this deal if he only has those two diamonds to offer.
 
diamondseeker2006|1377400175|3509380 said:
Lauren, you need to set your maxiumum budget. If it is $16k, then I wouldn't settle for the $9k I color princess. You can at least get something under 2 cts and go to G or H color and VS2 to SI1 clarity. There is no way I'd complete this deal if he only has those two diamonds to offer.
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Ditto this... again.

If you want to see what is obtainable, you need to know what your budget is. If you simply want people to agree with you and tell you that it's fine and to get that 3 carat P1 stone, then you may be disappointed on this forum. You'd be hard-pressed to find many on here that will encourage the purchase of an I1 (P1) diamond with little or no information other than the word of your jeweler. I've found that most everyone on here will give their true opinions if asked... so if you aren't interested in what those may be (or even if interested, but unwilling to accept those opinions), then it's probably best not to ask. ::)

If you have your heart set on that stone, then you probably don't want to hear any negative comments, and the consensus thus far is that it would be a bad idea to go through with the purchase. BUT, if you think it's lovely and will be happy with it, then by all means, buy it and wear it in good health. :))

However, your post indicates that you do have reservations and concerns about this diamond (as you should). If you only wanted our opinions on the stone, then I'd say you've gotten it. You've been given a lot of good information so far... If you'd like PS members to help you search for a nice stone within your budget, you will need to tell us what that budget is, and we will be happy to help.
 
Hello - I appreciate each and every one of your comments and advice. I am going to wait until I receive the certification (independent of my jeweller) and then ill at least know exactly what I'm looking at.

I had a budget of $5k but ended up spending $7 (trade in was $2k hence my 1.5 for $9k) my 1.5 is an "I" vvs2 with very good polish and symmetry and no fluoro. It's a gorgeous Stone that sparkles but I do feel its warmth occasionally. I'd look at spending $16k max.

I'm planning to see a few other jewellers to talk about a halo and see what they feel. This will certainly allow me to keep my very high quality princess 1.5 with added bling of a halo.

Ill post 3 carat cert (ADGL here in Australia) once I have it.

I know I sound "star struck" but I am heeding all of your words of wisdom and won't be making any rash decisions.

Appreciate it and will keep you posted for those who may like to check out cert etc....
 
Is this ADGL a lab suggested by the jeweler or sourced by yourself?
 
If your budget was $5k I would keep the 1.5 princess you have and wait longer to spend $16k on another diamond even if
I could not trade in the princess. I would not buy the 3 carat if it was a case of just stretching the budget to make it rather
than being clear in my mind that this was the type of diamond I wanted for my final stone and this was to be my FINAL budget.
How final though are final diamonds on a forum with diamond lovers, they are probably never the final stone.
 
Adgl is a independent company I sourced myself. They use GIA technology/standards.

Pyramid I agree with what you're saying - if I stay with the 1.5 I think ill reset it. I just need to source a great jeweller who can do a setting similar to the Harry Winston halo locally
 
I hope this pic shows up ok - here is cert of 3.02 princess

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