Do you think I''ll be able to see this inclustion?

[jonclegg]

Last week I went down to WF to see a few stones, mainly a F-VS2 1.63 I had brought in. I was in Brian's office (although he was not there at the time). The lighting was typical fluorescent lighting, there was a large window where I could move the diamonds and see them under shade and sunlight. I viewed them almost exclusively on a tray.

Although while I was there I didn't see any inclusions on any of the diamonds, looking at this photo I'm afraid I will be able to see that big crystal on the table under some lighting conditions. I don't care if there are inclusions, but i do care if anyone can ever see them.

The next day they sent me a photo of the F-VS2, when I saw this photo i kind of panicked. I could spot that inclusion in the photo in a heatbeat. I started seeing if there we're other VS2,F 1.6 that didn't have an inclusion smack right in the middle.

I found one pretty quickly.

This one is gets a (slightly) better HCA score, is EX/EX instead of VG/VG and will be about the same price, and it looks like WF can get it as well.

So now my option is, do I go ahead and buy the one with the crystal, get it sent to an appraiser, sent back (I'm getting it mailed out of state to avoid taxes). Get the stone only to find out I can see the inclusion then send it back to WF and lose about 200 bucks in shipping and other fee's. Or do I have the another diamond I'm looking at sent in, get some photo's taken and get that instead. I live in Austin and can't drive to Houston again any time soon, I had to take a whole day off work for the trip.

Attached is the photo of the stone the 1.63 from WF. If you go James Allen site they have a GIA report of the other stone, the inclusion seems to just be on the crown.

 

[jonclegg]

Btw by looking at the photo I''m estimating that the inclusion is about 0.3mm in size. According to this article The naked eye can see objects of 0.05mm clearly.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 5/27/2006 10:37:48 AM
Author:jonclegg
. I don't care if there are inclusions, but i do care if anyone can ever see them.

Jon welcome

I think you need to decide what is most important to you. The title asks if you will be able to see the inclusion, then the line I quoted above you say you don't care if you can see inclusions, but definitely if anyone else can. It could be for a diamond to be as we say " mind clean" to you, this diamond with the crystal might forever bug you and just knowing that it is there and posssibly discernible might be a problem. Nothing wrong with that at all, you might just need to do some searching for the right diamond. A VS2 is generally considered to be a safe choice that you won't see anything, but in the larger diamonds the chances increase slightly that you could, albeit very small. I think the best thing to do is to make it clear to your vendors what your expectations are - if you don't want to see any inclusions at all, the industry definition of eyeclean is no inclusions visible in normal light at a distance of 10 - 12 inches with normal vision. Also clarity grading is done face up, so you could find with some that they are clean face up but you might see something from the side.

Check with Whiteflash regarding this crystal, remember the photos are very magnified and there might be no way you can see the inclusion normally, they will be completely honest with you as will James Allen. It doesn't benefit them or you to have diamonds whizzing back and forth being returned. You have made some very nice choices with the diamonds you picked, make it clear to the vendors what your expectations are, and I am sure you will find the right one. This crystal might even be a non issue!

 

[WinkHPD]

If I recall correctly the WhiteFlash photos are 30 to 40 power. I highly doubt that you will be able to see the inclusion with the eye. I do not know how you came up with your estimated size, but I would take everything on Wikopedia with a great grain of salt. Much of the info is great, and much of it is totally bogus.

Wink

P.S. If you call them and ask they will tell you truthfully.

 

[jonclegg]

Thanks for the feedback. I estimated the size of the inclusion by loading the photo into photoshop, then measuring the percentage size of the inclusion. From there I was able to gauge that is is roughly 4% of the total diamond width. the diameter of the diamond is 7.53mm, so 4% of that is about 0.3mm

 

[ladykemma]

i have a pear with an inclusion just like that. I know where it is, but I can''t see it unless it''s about an inch from my eye and I''m specifically looking for it.

Hey, It''s a great identifier, you always know "that''s MY stone".

 

[FireGoddess]

I do believe the picture mag is 30X - things you can see easily by these photos do not mean you will be able to see them with your naked eye. I wouldn''t sweat it.

 

[Mara]

those pictures are 40x mag...

the interesting thing is that you are second guessing yourself from a PHOTO when you actually saw this diamond in person in various lighting conditions and spent some time with it checking it out.

realistically, if you did not see it while spending time with it, viewing it in various lighting conditions and scrutinizing it, why would you be worried that some random viewer who grabs her hand for 5 seconds will suddenly zoom in and spot the inclusion?

you're fine...especially when you consider the kind of sparkle that comes off the table of stones like these. i had a black small inclusion kind of like this one on a previous SI2 1.6c and it was not visible to anyone but me and that is when i put the stone close to my eye, because of the massive amount of light return coming from the stone, you couldn't even look into the stone and focus on anything at all, it was such a firecracker.

don't overthink it....that will drive you mad. that picture looks fabulous and if it's a virtual stone, the image looks even better than i'd expect in general. i wouldn't look any further.

 

[jonclegg]

Thanks Mara, I think perhaps I am just getting a case of cold feet. I didn''t look that close for the inclusions while i was there, but I think if it was obvious I would have seen it. You''re right about the sparkle, they make it very hard to see anything!

I think I''m going to ask WF to double check for me ans ask if they can see anything. Hopefully they say they can''t see anything at all, but even if they can see something, but you have to look really really carefully 1 inch from it under certain lighting at a certain angle, that''s absolutely fine.

 

[Kaleigh]

Date: 5/28/2006 2:13:03 PM
Author: jonclegg
Thanks Mara, I think perhaps I am just getting a case of cold feet. I didn''t look that close for the inclusions while i was there, but I think if it was obvious I would have seen it. You''re right about the sparkle, they make it very hard to see anything!

I think I''m going to ask WF to double check for me ans ask if they can see anything. Hopefully they say they can''t see anything at all, but even if they can see something, but you have to look really really carefully 1 inch from it under certain lighting at a certain angle, that''s absolutely fine.

I''d call them on Tuesday and ask if it''s eye clean. I''m pretty sure it is. They are very good about telling you if it''s eye clean or not. Looks like a winner to me!!!

 

[lizz]

According to the tutorial on this site, 1 in 100 people can see VS2 inclusions. I would bet that inclusion isn''t visible with the naked eye. But check it out and see what WF tells you.

 

[jonclegg]

First off, thanks for all the feedback. After the weekend I decided that everyone was right, there was a very very slim chance I or anyone else would be able to spot that inclusion.

On Tuesday I called WF to verify that it was eye clean. Renee was awesome as usual and put me though to Bob who I met with. He told me that in the 20+ years he's been in the business he's spotted an inclusion in VS2's about 5 times after seeing 1000's of stones. Renee also had their setter take a look at it, he said it was awesome and he couldn't' spot a thing.

I remember looking at that stone a long with the others and thinking that it was firecracker, almost as good as the ACA right next to it, and even better then a ES and a G color I had brought in.

I pulled the trigger and had 14.7k wired to WF and the rock send to Chris at D. Atlas. He has appraised the stone about 24k and said it looks AWESOME. (dont' worry i'm not going to insure it for that

I have to say that I feel pretty good about it now. I can't wait to see the stone again! Especially in the setting i've got setup.

Now i'm stressing about how to propose!

thanks!

 

[Mara]

yay i''m so happy it worked out for you...please post pictures of the finished product!!

 

[Gypsy]

CONGRATS !!! I just saw this thread... but that diamond is really lovely and I really like the setting you picked... the only thing I''d watch for with it are those prongs... they look enormous on the site... so make sure that in person they don''t completely ruin the lines of the ring. Sometimes big fat prongs can really detract from an otherwise lovely setting.

Can''t wait to see it on SMTR!

 

[FireGoddess]

Glad to hear it worked out - love that setting, very sleek!