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susiegrneyes

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The short story:
I ordered a ring more than a month ago and was assured it would be everything I wanted. What I recieved was my stone set crookedly in a crooked basket all in a ring that is not the size I ordered. I want to know if you think it is unreasonable to ask for my stone to be unmounted and have a refund issued. Also, I have a feeling I overpaid to begin with.

The long story: (and I do mean the long version)

To whom it may concern:

When making my purchase I initially felt confident because Andrew’s jewelers is a very reputable company. I dealt with Hany at the Easton location. I came in for a quote on a semi-custom ring. He quoted me $795 for the overnight setting 50028-E in 14 k white gold with F-G and SI quality side stones. For this ring, I am providing the center diamond. He told me if I ordered on Friday, December 14th, I could have the ring by Monday, December 24th. I returned on Sunday, December 16th to place my order. That day, I requested to know how much additional it would be to upgrade to better quality side stones (colorless, vs clarity). Hany advised $150. I said that sounds like a good deal for 1/3 carat of stones. Hany agreed and it was added to the purchase price. I advised him that I would prefer 18k white gold. He said that it adds 40% to the price of the purchase and that it is a special order item. I declined because it would take the purchase price above my $1000 limit. He totaled my order and advised that it was an additional $75 for setting my diamond. I said okay. He came up with a total of $1045.00, because I did not have a calculator to add it up myself I signed the receipt. Later, I realized that I had been overcharged. Also, after I signed the receipt he told me it would be at least 4 weeks to receive my purchase, which is much longer than I anticipated. I felt like he rushed me into purchasing the ring. He didn’t even ask me my ring size.


$795.00 setting
$150.00 upgraded side stones
$75.00 setting and sizing
$1020.00


On my way home, I stopped at another local jewelry store. Jim Kesser quoted me $1025.00 for overnight setting 50028-E in 18 k white gold with VS1, F-G side stones including setting my stone. He also told me that Overnight had the 18 k setting in stock and he could the entire project competed in 2 weeks. Given this knowledge I called first thing in the morning to advise that I would like to cancel my order. I came in Monday, December 17th to cancel the order. When I arrived Hany was not available, so I spoke with Jason. I provided Jason with the information on the ring, and he advised me that he would check to see if they could match the price. He asked if they were able to match the price for 18 k, if I would like to continue the order with them. I advised that I would because Andrew’s does have a guarantee that the other jeweler did not. I asked Jason for an itemized receipt of my purchase, but he advised that he could not provide it as Hany had all of that information.




That evening, Hany called to confirm that they would match the price and stated that Overnight did not have the setting in stock, and it would be 2 to 3 weeks until it was received.




I began to feel uncomfortable with my purchase. I have read that one should not purchase from any jewelry store that does not provide you with any itemized list of exactly what you are getting prior to taking payment. I also thought it was strange that my credit card was charged for the full amount upfront when I was initially advised that a 20% deposit would be charged to order. They receipt I received merely states jewelry repair, which is not the case. I was not advised of any type of return policy for special orders. I honestly have been losing sleep over this purchase. I did some research and determined that the side stones of my ring would only be 0.16 carats (1.3 mm = 0.01 carat), which is ½ the original amount I thought I was getting. I was no longer comfortable with spending $150 to upgrade stones now that I knew they were less than ¼ carat TW.




On Wednesday, December 19th I called Andrew’s jewelers and spoke with Hany. I advised Hany that I would like to go back to the original order of GH SI1/2 side stones because of the excessive cost. He advised that it was too late because he had already ordered the stones. I asked him how many carats total the ring would because it has never been addressed in writing. He advised me that the ring is approximately ¼ carat TW.




I came into the store the following day on Thursday, December 20th because I did not feel comfortable with my purchase. Hany attempted to address my concerns and agreed to make the ring for $900. I reluctantly agreed to continue with my purchase. He wrote out a receipt stating what had been ordered and advised me that he would provide me with a detailed description of the ring when I picked it up. I asked if resizing was additional and he advised that it wasn’t. He stated that he had forgotten to ask my ring size. I told him that I wear a 6.5. He stated that standard size was a 6.5, and that the ring would be a 6.5 when I received it. This sounded a bit fishy to me as I had read standard ring size is 7 for nearly all designers. However, I trusted Hany. He also promised to have the ring to me by January 17th.




On Monday, January 14th, my boyfriend Jacob came to the store to inquire about having his watch repaired. Jacob inquired about the ring because the 17th was approaching. Jason showed him the incomplete ring. Jason advised Jacob that the ring was ready for my stone and that if I brought in the stone the following day the ring would be completed within 24-48 hours, as it appeared the ring had already been resized.




On Tuesday, January 15th 2008, I brought in the diamond which I was having set as the center stone. I was shown the unfinished ring, which did not yet have the basket set or any rhodium plating. It was too large, but the sales person dismissed my concerns saying that it was too cold to judge. I also noticed several bumps in the ring where it appeared that additional stones were to be set. I inquired with the salesperson, but she stated that she did not know what it was supposed to look like and she would check with Hany to see if the bumps could be smoothed out. I was also disappointed to see that the ring actually looked very little like the ring I had brought in, although I had been assured by Hany that it was identical to the one I was trying to replicate. Jason advised me that the ring would be completed by 6 pm on Wednesday.




I returned to the store once again on Wednesday, January 16th 2008 to pick up the ring. Hany provided me the ring, which I tried on. The ring was clearly too large, but Hany too disregarded my comments and advised me to wear it for a few weeks and then come back if I felt it needed resized. I noticed that the basket appeared to be crooked in the ring, but I thought it might have been an optical illusion. Haney issued a refund back to my credit card to adjust for the price difference. I took out the ring that I was trying to replicate and Hany said that it was identical. It is not identical. The ring I was trying to replicate has channel set stones not pave. Also I asked Haney about the possibility of smoothing out the bumps. He advised that it cannot be done because it is structurally necessary for the ring, and that removing them could weaken the ring. I know this is not true.




When I got home and really looked at the ring I realized how terribly crooked it was. I am honestly disgusted that Hany would have let me walk out of the store knowing that the ring was not done right. After all, I did wait more than a month for the ring. Not only is the basket itself crooked, but the stone is set crooked into the basket. I spent months searching for the perfect stone, and I am extremely disappointed that so little care was taken in mounting my stone. I never received any type of detailed receipt giving details such as carat weight. I feel like all of my concerns have been dismissed and that I was never given the kind of attention a customer should be given. When I came home, I measured the ring, and it was a size 7. I honestly wish I had cancelled my purchase the next day when I came in. I understand that I may seem difficult to please, but all I wanted was a little honesty. I have been lied to several times, and that is certainly not good customer service. I was never given a cancellation policy either verbally or in writing aside from the stores 30 day return policy. I am not happy with my purchase, and I would like to have my stone returned to me and be issued a refund.




Sincerely,
Susan
 
I can''t help with the price but I don''t think that it''s unreasonable to ask them to remount it for you if it''s crooked. The only thing is would you trust them to do it correctly this time? Is there a return policy on it so you can go elsewhere?
 
That''s the way I feel. I don''t really trust this jeweler. I''m afraid they might damage my stone. They obviously don''t have any form of quality assurance. The refund policy in the store/ on the reciept states 30 days from purchase. It''s kind of tricky though because I technically purchased the ring more than 30 days ago, but I didn''t recieve the ring until yesterday. It''s just a very upsetting situation.
 
Date: 1/17/2008 8:59:02 AM
Author: susiegrneyes
That''s the way I feel. I don''t really trust this jeweler. I''m afraid they might damage my stone. They obviously don''t have any form of quality assurance. The refund policy in the store/ on the reciept states 30 days from purchase. It''s kind of tricky though because I technically purchased the ring more than 30 days ago, but I didn''t recieve the ring until yesterday. It''s just a very upsetting situation.
Then I would have thought a refund would apply as you have only just received the completed product you paid for, and are unhappy with. I am no expert at this, but I would say to gather your evidence with paperwork and perhaps take some photos of the ring detailing what you are unhappy with, so you have a record. Do you really feel they might deliberately damage your diamond? I hope one of the experts can chime in for you as to whether it would be best to approach this jeweller to try to make things right for you, as your first method of solving this.

Sorry you are having to go through this.
 
Return that puppy and get your money back! Then go somewhere else and get the service you want and deserve. You are not being unreasonable. If you had purchased a car and it was dented and the wheels were crooked, you would return it! I had a similar situation recently where a ring I had made didn''t turn out the way I liked. I took it back and just swallowed my typically-female worries about being disliked by the salesperson, or making him mad. You deserve better! Keep us posted!

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You have several issues at play and I would be inclined to separate them.

1) Price. Basically it sounds like they’re being reasonable here. They matched the competition and then some. They charged what they said they would and what you agreed to even if it was a complicated path to get there. It doesn’t actually sound like you’re upset about the price anyway.

2) Design. This is the root of the issue. They didn’t do what you wanted but possibly they did what you asked for. You specified a part number from Overnite and even shopped that part with their competition to be sure the price was right and came back to get a discount. This is pretty specific instructions. Assuming that this is the ring that they delivered I think they’re being reasonable on this point.

3) Craftsmanship. This is another key one. Crooked stone, wrong size etc. By all means they should fix this or replace it if they can’t. There should be no additional charge, it should be done as quickly as possible and it should come with a polite apology.

4) Poor professional behavior. They were late, charged too much of a deposit, etc. These are annoying to be sure and I don’t mean to make excuses for them about it but they are tangential to the real problem – you didn’t get the ring you wanted. Keep your attention on solving that one.

First, reread the return policy. I agree with the above, if a refund is a choice, simply ask for it and be done. If a return is agreed to in the policy and they refuse to do it, complain to your credit card company. I’m going to guess it’s not.

Assuming that a simple refund isn’t an option, I recommend that you get it appraised by an independent and specifically NOT by one of their competitors. This will document exactly what the issues are and will allow you the opportunity to insure the piece immediately. The appraiser should be able to tell you both what is wrong, what can be fixed and what must be replaced. The insurance will cover your concern about future damage to your stone while you deal with the next step.

You need to decide if you will be happy with this design if it were set straight, of the correct size and the like. If so, go back to the jeweler and explain what specific problems you have with the workmanship. Politely ask that they be repaired or replaced depending on what the appraiser told you. Explain that you intend to take it back to your chosen appraiser immediately after completion and that less than 100% quality will result in even more work and headache for them. There should be no fee for this. If they refuse, complain to your credit card company.

If the above isn’t going to produce satisfactory results anyway because you don’t like the design, you need a different tack and it’s likely to involve some more money. Talk to the jeweler about your concerns, what you want and ask them what they can offer as a solution. Be nice. You're more likely to get a good offer if they aren't PO'ed at you. They may be able to trade in your existing ring and move your stone to a new one of a style that suits you better. If you do this, get it appraised by an independent too and make sure the jeweler knows this is the plan. Often merely the threat of including an IA will put the craftsmen on notice that they need to be doing their best work or it will come back.

If they make an offer and you don’t like it, talk to that competitor and see if they have a better offer. There are a lot of jewelers out there who are eager to earn your business.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver
 
oh my gosh - that''s just a terrible time. Buying an engagement ring should never be that full of complications and disappointments. I''m so sorry this has happened to you. I don''t think you''d be unreasonable at all in returning the ring - it was not the right design, it''s not well-crafted and it''s not even the right size. Not to mention the wretched service you got.
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Really great post and info Neil!
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I agree with what denver appraiser said. I would like to add that People need to listen to their instincts and not their emotions when dealing with situations like this...i hope people read and learn from your well documented letter.There were several times that you mentioned that you knew you should have backed out of this deal but didnt...when a sales person treats you bad or ignores your concerns then go somewhere else...im not blaming you, you have learned the hard way,but people need to be reminded that they are the paying customer and to take control of the situation and get answers before you pay...these people were not the professionals you paid for and i would start over with a new jeweler and make sure you dont back down to these people because i can bet they will tell you there is no refunds on special orders...good luck on this situation.
 
Thank you to everyone who responded to my post. I really appreciate the advice.

I guess one of the reasons why I kind of backed down, was because the original person I was dealing with, Hany, is an assistant manager. Well, I went back to the store today to make my concerns known. I delt with Jason the other assistant manger (the manager wasn''t in) and I felt like he addressed my concerns. He agreed to fix the problems at no charge and gave a very sincere apology.

1) resize the ring
2) order a new head for ring (the one it was set in was excessively high and very thick)
3) Smooth out the bumps on the side of the ring
4) reset the center stone and head correctly
5) Issue a detailed report on the item with ct wt etc.

Although the ring is the style number I ordered, it was definitely not what I expected. I was shown the style in the catalog, so all I saw was a 1/2 inch by 1/2 inch picture. Hany assured me that it was the same setting as the ring I was trying to replicate. It has the same basic shape, but from the picture I could not tell it was pave and because the picture was taken at a funny angle, I could not tell that the shank was actually braided. It''s still a beautiful ring, and I decided it just wasn''t worth the hassle of waiting another month for a different style to come in. I will be sure to post pictures when I get it back.

I have no real qualms about the price, except for the fact that I had to spend so much time negotiating. Someone needs to open a jewelry store version of Carmax (no-haggle). I just wish I knew exactly what I paid for... That being said it is going to an appraiser as soon as I get it back.

Thank you again,
Susan
 
Glad things are moving along for you in a more positive manner, please keep us posted.
 
Glad things are moving along for you in a more positive manner, please keep us posted.
 
Well, Unfortunately the news in not good.

I went to pick up the ring today and the stone was still set crooked in the basket and the basket was set such that the prongs were not perpendicular to the setting. I was told that the "orientation compliments my setting." I don''t think I have ever been so furious. They said that "our jeweler can''t do it right, so they can send it to corporate to have it done." I told them that I wanted a refund and my stone returned. They couldn''t process the refund at that time because I didn''t have my copy of the reciept..doesn''t sound right to me. I am returning first thing tommorrow morning with reciept in hand to get a refund. I am also upset that I was told that I couldn''t get my stone back until wednesday because that is when the jeweler returns and that I couldn''t take it somewhere else to have it taken out. They also told me that they don''t give out the phone number to their corporate office. It''s such a shame because it is a beautiful ring....
 
you are smart to get a refund.Remember to loupe your diamond in front to the manager for any possible damage when its returned to you before you leave the store.Good luck on find a new jeweler.
 
Susie - I''m really sorry that you are going through this but glad that you are pursuing a refund and adamant about getting your diamond back so that you can have it set to show off its glory!

I just wanted to suggest that maybe you can research the Corporate info and find it yourself ... possibly through another location for this store or online? That way you can report your displeasure before the store has a chance to "spin" it for Corporate to make you look like the bad guy??

Just a suggestion given that they do not sound so inclined to really assist you. Also, since you have kind of logged or documented what has transpired, you may want to inform them that you will be reporting them to the Better Business Bureau and actually follow through with it.

I can''t even begin to describe how furious I would be. This is such an emotional purchase to be marred with all this nonsense.

Good luck ... please let us know how it goes.
 

I have attached a picture of the ring I was trying to replicate. I bought it when goldmark jewelers was going out of business. I love this style and have made it my mission to find a ring like it in WG. I have the perfect center stone which is .41 D AGS 0 VS2. I''m on a search to find another jeweler. Does anyone know of any similar settings? My budget is $1000.00 for the setting, so a completely custom setting is probably out of the question.



Thank you,
Susie

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Susie,

Since you already have a ring that you love, can''t you simply have it rhodium plated so that it will be white?

I took a two tone ring in to have the wg re-rhodium plated and whistfully mentioned that I wish I had purchased it in all white gold instead of two tone. My jeweler said that he could plate the entire ring so that it would all be white now. He had me bring it back about three months later for a second replating, but it has been very white for over a year now.

You do have to replate every now and again, even when the ring was originally white gold, but replating is certainly cheaper than a new ring.
 
sorry that things didn''t work out. Just make sure that there is no damage to your diamond when you get it back. I''d ring them and don''t say who you are and just say that you''re looking for the corporates number. That would really annoy me that they didn''t give it to you when you asked.
 
I got my refund. I am quite glad that that whole ordeal is over. I loved the ring, but there was just no way to salvage the setting. The jeweler had just completely ruined it. Thanks to everyone who replied.
 
Date: 1/19/2008 7:15:57 PM
Author: susiegrneyes
I got my refund. I am quite glad that that whole ordeal is over. I loved the ring, but there was just no way to salvage the setting. The jeweler had just completely ruined it. Thanks to everyone who replied.
Great news. Thanks for sharing. Sorry that it was such an ordeal and that you couldn''t salvage the setting, however, I''m sure that you will find something amazing and hopefully similar.

Good luck!
 
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