Do you think colorless stones look more like CZs?

[MichelleCarmen]

My D stone is set in a TBTY style and I spent a lot of money to have it locally made with a platinum setting and it looks real do to that. My E has a lighter simpler setting and is icy white (much more so than the D) and because of that, I wonder if people think it''s fake. Out of the entire time I''ve worn it, only one person has commented on it, and her comment was regarding the setting rather than the stone.

Since most CZs look SO white, do you think sometimes people think very crisp white diamonds are CZs, especially when set in less fancy settings, whereas they''d think a slightly warmer stone, like G or H is more likely to be real?

 

[Dreamer_D]

I do think there is something more "real" about G than D color diamonds. But I also don't usually think about whether a diamond is real or not so much when I see it. The only time when I have thought for sure that something was a sim was when my MIL showed up with a whole new suite of diamonds, and something about the color and optics just struck me as wrong. Turned out there were some sort of simulant. And when I compared hers to my G, I did think that my G looked somehow more real because of the color. But I knew they were fakes... if they *had* been real well cut rocks I bet they would have looks awesome!

I think people are not commenting because people just don't really comment on diamonds. I have only even gotten 1 or 2 comments on my ring from others.

 

[MichelleCarmen]

Okay, thanks for your thoughts. Often, a person will look at my F-color studs (more than once. . .trying mostly to sneak a peak) and I wonder if the person is trying to determine if they''re real or not. With the pendant, it''s not as often, but I wear it a lot less. Everyone knows we don''t own our house. . .maybe they think because of that, a person wouldn''t/couldn''t possibly wear real diamonds. lol

 

[Dreamer_D]

Or maybe they just think they are pretty and want a better look!

 

[susimoo]

Honestly, I don''t think I am hugely colour sensitive. Unless a diamond is obviously warm I am not very good at spotting the difference. Especially when it is mounted. I would also seriously doubt whether someone would think your D was fake based on colour alone. I think most people look at the item of jewellery, the colour, the sparkle, the mount and also the person wearing it and make their mind up based on the total picture. That is unless it is obviously a fake, say a costume jewellery piece with huge dimensions.

My local jewellers who do all my repairs etc know me quite well and if I pop in and they have a stone of interest they will quite often show it to me because they know this stuff tickles me immensely!!

Once they had in 2, half carat asscher''s. One was a D and one was a G. It was for another customer who was going to make it into a pendant. When I viewed them I chose the G as I felt that the D was just to white. I asked on my next visit what the customer had chosen and she too had chosen the G for the same reasons.

Perhaps if I had been born with a silver spoon in my mouth and had had more exposure to D colour in the past they would be my preference now !! LOL

As it is I have seen very few in real life, on people I know, I go for what my eye recognizes, GHIJ.

 

[kenny]

Do I think colorless stones look more like CZs?
Not at all.
Such a reaction says more about the person than the diamond.
It all depends what you are used to seeing.

Here is a fancy deep blue-green diamond.
The GIA report says the color is of natural origin.
Such natural color is very very rare.
It's only 19 points but costs $32,000.

A similar color is often seen in treated diamonds but rarely seen in natural ones, so many people will think it is treated.
That's not the diamond's fault, and they are not lowering the price because of it.

If you want a D or a natural blue-green I say go for it.
What people of limited experience think does not matter.
Whom are you wearing it for, you or others?
You know what you got.

 

[MichelleCarmen]

Date: 3/15/2010 1:18:31 PM
Author: susimoo
Honestly, I don''t think I am hugely colour sensitive. Unless a diamond is obviously warm I am not very good at spotting the difference. Especially when it is mounted. I would also seriously doubt whether someone would think your D was fake based on colour alone. I think most people look at the item of jewellery, the colour, the sparkle, the mount and also the person wearing it and make their mind up based on the total picture. That is unless it is obviously a fake, say a costume jewellery piece with huge dimensions.

My local jewellers who do all my repairs etc know me quite well and if I pop in and they have a stone of interest they will quite often show it to me because they know this stuff tickles me immensely!!

Once they had in 2, half carat asscher''s. One was a D and one was a G. It was for another customer who was going to make it into a pendant. When I viewed them I chose the G as I felt that the D was just to white. I asked on my next visit what the customer had chosen and she too had chosen the G for the same reasons.

Perhaps if I had been born with a silver spoon in my mouth and had had more exposure to D colour in the past they would be my preference now !! LOL

As it is I have seen very few in real life, on people I know, I go for what my eye recognizes, GHIJ.

My D is a small stone and handed down to me. IRL, like you I wasn''t born with a silver spoon, so alas no more D stones in my future. The E is small too. lol

 

[oldminer]

Diamonds and CZ''s look much alike when the CZ is cut to mimic diamond. One has to modify at the cut for CZ to mimic diamond-like performance due to the materials having different refractive indexes, but that does not concern most folks as it isn''t visible to an untrained eye.

It is for you to know if you have on a diamond or a CZ. They are not worn for others, but for self satisfaction. In many cases it would be safer to wear CZ''s, but someone desperate could rob you in hopes they were getting diamonds. CZ''s which mimic fancy color diamonds are highly effective and look very much like tremendously costly fancy colored diamonds yet there is a very good market for the real thing. It isn''t because diamonds and CZ''s look alike, but rather that diamonds are so much more valuable than CZ and a gift primarily from nature, not science.

 

[clgwli]

Personally some CZs I have seen look grayish or have a weird blueish hue to them in indoor lighting. I don''t think that an icy white diamond would be confused with as a CZ for me. My sister has I think an E color and it is icy and very pretty.

Kenny funny you posted that diamond today. I was looking at it this morning and thought how close it was to an irridated diamond I saw a few days ago. I am not a fan of that color, but I had never seen a picture of one like that on a natural before. I nearly died at the pricetag too.

I agree you should go for what you like the look of, not what you want others to see.

 

[jan can]

My feeling is I know what I have. That is why I chose an F stone this time. It''ll be ok if others think it is simulated because I''ll know it isn''t.

 

[ChunkyCushionLover]

Date: 3/15/2010 1:49:14 PM
Author: clgwli
Personally some CZs I have seen look grayish or have a weird blueish hue to them in indoor lighting. I don''t think that an icy white diamond would be confused with as a CZ for me. My sister has I think an E color and it is icy and very pretty.

Kenny funny you posted that diamond today. I was looking at it this morning and thought how close it was to an irridated diamond I saw a few days ago. I am not a fan of that color, but I had never seen a picture of one like that on a natural before. I nearly died at the pricetag too.

I agree you should go for what you like the look of, not what you want others to see.

Yes I agree, I saw a pair of earrings once and asked if they had fluorescence because I saw that blueish haze. It wasn''t until I looked much more critically closeup at the cut that I realized they were CZs not diamond. But I bet if the cut was better I might not have been able to tell so easily.

 

[Firestone]

Who can say what people think or why they think what they do. I don''t think colorless stones look like CZ. Colorless stones look like a good diamond to me.

 

[Black Jade]

Few people outside of Pricescope are all that much interested in diamonds. They really don''t care about your jewelry enough to scrutinize, in my experience. If they do judge your jewelry and try to guess whether its real or fake, the judgment is likely to be based not on color, but on size. Few will question whether a pair of .25 ctw czs are real, if they are set at all decently, while everybody will question whether a 5 carat ring is real (unless a person well-known to be wealthy is wearing it).
As pointed out, CZs are very realistic when decently cut, and if you keep them clean and have them decently set it can be hard to tell they are fake. I have worn nice CZs sometimes, when I couldn''t afford a piece I wanted yet, or when travelling and not wanting to worry about losing something in a hotel room. I have some of that kind that have body color, so that they look like G or H diamonds and I like them. However, I prefer real diamonds. Not so much because I care what anyone else thinks, as because of the fact that you HAVE to clean CZs constantly or they get that whitish, glassy look that doesn''t look like any diamond (certainly not a valuable D or E color), the fact that they all scratch over time, no matter how they are advertized and have to be replaced, as diamonds don''t, and from the fact that you just FEEL different wearing something that is real. More special. The fakey diamond boards, whether the fine simulants or the home shopping networks, are full of women wanting to be reassured constantly that their CZs look realistic--because they know they aren''t real. Yours are real. You should be enjoying them. I have an F color diamond ring (bought with Pscope help) and I love it and enjoy looking at how it looks like ice, even from the side. I would never want to give up having it on the off-chance that someone else might not be impressed with it in anyway, because it impresses ME.

 

[yssie]

Hmm.


I could stare into the table of a sim and honestly not know it was a fakey unless something was really, really wrong with it. A truly terrible cut in an icy white stone with no inclusions is my only metric...



I feel like a bad pser

That said, I wore a CZ anklet for a good long while - finally have the real thing! - and it did bother me, knowing they weren''t real, though I''m sure noone else knew or cared. It does feel different, like Jade said..I''m pretty sure everyone assumes my Ering is fake, it obviously doesn''t reflect our lifestyle. I''m okay with it, though

 

[gardengloves]

Date: 3/15/2010 12:31:16 PM
Author:MC
My D stone is set in a TBTY style and I spent a lot of money to have it locally made with a platinum setting and it looks real do to that. My E has a lighter simpler setting and is icy white (much more so than the D) and because of that, I wonder if people think it''s fake. Out of the entire time I''ve worn it, only one person has commented on it, and her comment was regarding the setting rather than the stone.


Since most CZs look SO white, do you think sometimes people think very crisp white diamonds are CZs, especially when set in less fancy settings, whereas they''d think a slightly warmer stone, like G or H is more likely to be real?

I''ve often wondered the same thing. I showed up at work with new F stone, somewhat larger, and nary a remark, except for two close colleagues who also love diamonds. The F is so icy white- it''s very much like a CZ, I know cause I bought a simulate to decide if my new ring had the shape and setting I would be comfortable with before I went ahead with a purchase.

 

[Gleam]

Date: 3/15/2010 1:22:12 PM
Author: kenny
Do I think colorless stones look more like CZs?

Not at all.

Such a reaction says more about the person than the diamond.

It all depends what you are used to seeing.

I usually enjoy your posts, kenny, but this seems unnecessarily condescending and frankly, snobbish.

No matter what, most of us are used to seeing CZs. Sure, the average e-ring size of my group of friends may be 2.5 carats, but what I'm still used to seeing are CZs because 98% of American women walk around with CZ studs in their ears. If forced to wager a guess on the average woman's set of earrings, I'd always guess CZs.

I just don't think what you said is true. It doesn't say anything about me if I think someone's diamond is a CZ or vice versa.

And for that matter, no, I don't think colorless stones look like CZs. I've never seen a truly well-made CZ in real life. The CZs I've seen have been too blue, or too cloudy with a plasticy look. MC, enjoy your lovely colorless diamonds.

 

[kenny]

Don't mean to be a snob. (BTW, IMHO snobbery like beauty is in the eye of the beholder.)

If a person only sees warmer color diamonds all their life and associates that look with real diamonds then sees a D and thinks it's fake that is a result of that person's experience.
Nothing wrong with that; their perspective is the result of their experience.
This is not judgmental or critical, just rational and reasonable.

That certainly doesn't mean I look down on such a person, or they are bad or inferior.

 

[butterfly 17]

Date: 3/15/2010 5:11:19 PM
Author: Black Jade
Few people outside of Pricescope are all that much interested in diamonds. They really don''t care about your jewelry enough to scrutinize, in my experience. If they do judge your jewelry and try to guess whether its real or fake, the judgment is likely to be based not on color, but on size. Few will question whether a pair of .25 ctw czs are real, if they are set at all decently, while everybody will question whether a 5 carat ring is real (unless a person well-known to be wealthy is wearing it).

As pointed out, CZs are very realistic when decently cut, and if you keep them clean and have them decently set it can be hard to tell they are fake. I have worn nice CZs sometimes, when I couldn''t afford a piece I wanted yet, or when travelling and not wanting to worry about losing something in a hotel room. I have some of that kind that have body color, so that they look like G or H diamonds and I like them. However, I prefer real diamonds. Not so much because I care what anyone else thinks, as because of the fact that you HAVE to clean CZs constantly or they get that whitish, glassy look that doesn''t look like any diamond (certainly not a valuable D or E color), the fact that they all scratch over time, no matter how they are advertized and have to be replaced, as diamonds don''t, and from the fact that you just FEEL different wearing something that is real. More special. The fakey diamond boards, whether the fine simulants or the home shopping networks, are full of women wanting to be reassured constantly that their CZs look realistic--because they know they aren''t real. Yours are real. You should be enjoying them. I have an F color diamond ring (bought with Pscope help) and I love it and enjoy looking at how it looks like ice, even from the side. I would never want to give up having it on the off-chance that someone else might not be impressed with it in anyway, because it impresses ME.

I totally agree with this post, Black Jade.

I have only ever questioned whether a diamond was real if the size seemed unrealistic, such as a 5 or 6 carat diamond on a younger looking (than me) woman.

I have never thought a diamond was fake because of it''s color. That has really has never crossed my mind.

Enjoy your diamonds.

 

[bgray]

I agree the skepticism about whether or not a stone is real seems to be more about the size. I have a large E color stone and I have had people say-wow is that real? or how big is that?

 

[Dreamer_D]

Date: 3/15/2010 11:51:30 PM
Author: bgray
I agree the skepticism about whether or not a stone is real seems to be more about the size. I have a large E color stone and I have had people say-wow is that real? or how big is that?

I would like to see pictures so I can ask the same questions

 

[bgray]

Date: 3/16/2010 12:20:38 AM
Author: dreamer_d

Date: 3/15/2010 11:51:30 PM

Author: bgray

I agree the skepticism about whether or not a stone is real seems to be more about the size. I have a large E color stone and I have had people say-wow is that real? or how big is that?

I would like to see pictures so I can ask the same questions

seriously-i cannot post pictures here. i always get error messages!

 

[kenny]

Date: 3/16/2010 12:47:34 AM
Author: bgray
seriously-i cannot post pictures here. i always get error messages!

Make sure it is a jpg, the file size is under 100Kb and it has a unique name that PS has never seen before, like kf5rjr79g4u.

 

[bgray]

the error says something about the name....

 

[yssie]

if you tried to post it and you got an error message, go to your pictures folder or wherever it''s stored, rename it, and try again. Sometimes even when my pic post fails it the ps system remembers the name and I have to use a new one

 

[Gypsy]

I have an F... and I don't think it looks fake. I've seen quite a few D's and E's too... all looked real. Although admittedly most of the 'higher' color stones I've seen have been step cuts (like my own) and there aren't many 'real' looking CZ step cuts out there that I've seen. Size is much more likely to make me think 'not real'... and that's in a round. In most other cuts, CZs are pretty easily discernable.

 

[bgray]

here

 

[Gypsy]

Beautiful Bgray. Really beautiful. Small corners, but really bright stone.

 

[bgray]

really filthy ring and linty photos

 

[bgray]

yes but i fell for the stone anyway. the prongs are not exactly what i wanted--i wanted pointed but i think these were a more secure way to go

 

[kenny]

Wow, that''s gorgeous?
May I ask the specs?