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My girlfriend and I went looking at diamonds today. I wanted to compare colors and I was hoping to get her involved in looking at diamonds. Up until today, she hasn''t been involved. I was having fun and thought we would really enjoy it together. The setting will remain as my secret though.

She mentioned that her friend had a stone that had a blue/purple glow sometimes. I mentioned that this was from fluorescence and she said that she liked it. I have since decided that I want to find a stone with strong/very strong blue fluorescence. I may compromise with medium, but I want to make sure she can see it when she wants to.

My point for today was to compare J/K colors. I was reading about people''s rings that are J/K colored. I figured that if I can save money or get a bigger stone, I''d love to go that route. We saw a few J''s and a few K''s today. The first J we saw was graded by IGI and was an oval... and it was VERY yellow. I started to get worried when I saw it. Later we saw a 2ct J IGI graded Princess that was beautiful. Very noticeable color though... possibly because of the cut. We finally found a store with some nicely graded stones. One we found was either an AGS or GIA (not sure), but it looked decent. It was a J with a very small hint of color. Neither of us thought the color was much different than an F we had beside it. Right now, from our small sample, it seems that GIA/AGS J''s are much less noticeable than the IGI J''s. This is good, because I will only buy GIA or AGS.

I need to know if the GIA/AGS J/K color is typically very low or if the IGI stones represent the typical J color... meaning K would be too much.

My girlfriend said that she liked the warmth of the J/K range, but thought that the IGI stones were too yellow. She also thought it would be nice to save some money by going down the J/K route.

My dilemma right now is this:
WF has an ACA K color that is a great size and saves me about $500 off of my .778ct G SI1 AGS0 that I have been considering. The ACA K color is also a VS2. The .778ct G is a Class 1A and the ACA K color is a Class 1B. I could buy this stone, risk it being overly yellow, and be disappointed.

I could also keep with my original decision and buy the .778 ct G that cost me 25% more than the K.

Neither of these stones have fluorescence though and I would love to find a stone with strong/very strong blue fluorescence, because my girlfriend likes it. I was hoping to find a .8ct J/K AGS0 with a strong blue fluorescence and anywhere from VS1 to SI1 - eye clean. This is EXTREMELY HARD to do, because hardly any AGS0s have fluorescence. I really don''t want to get a GIA certed stone, because I want to know that its AGS0 quality. Does anybody know of .8ct AGS0 J/K with strong blue fluorescence in the $1,900 - $2,500 range? I think I have checked all of the certified vendors. There are plenty in this range without fluorescence.
 
The D-Z color grading is set up by GIA, they are the rule setter so to speak. IGI and EGL are known to be softer in color and clarity grading.
 
Ok... forget all this last minute wavering. I am going to try and go with the .778 ct AGS0 that I feel lucky to have found. My girlfriend has very fair skin and my eyes are too color-sensitive to deal with a J/K. I''ll have to buy her a blinging RHR with blue fluorescence down the road. The fluor isn''t really that important to her.
 
OH WAIT! I think I found what I was looking for!!!!
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Table is a little higher than I prefer, but hopefully it will make it face up larger.

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That Infinity J is going to be an amazing diamond. I love it.
 
I have a J w/o strong blue fluorescence, and it faces up fairly white: cut really does make a huge difference, and while I can see some warmth, I enjoy it. That said, I *can* see some body color from the side, but it doesn''t bug ... if you and your GF like the warmth, go with it!
 
Date: 5/2/2009 10:19:27 PM
Author: justinislooking
OH WAIT! I think I found what I was looking for!!!!
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Table is a little higher than I prefer, but hopefully it will make it face up larger.

Link
It has definite potential, the table should be fine and the SB fluorescence might get you a discount in a D colour.
 
Yeah, but $1.2 million is probably a tad over budget, so you should probably stick with the 0.778 instead.
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I have a WF ACA K (no Flouro) size 1.2carat, and I think it faces up pretty white (white enough for me) I think the sparkle factor (brilliant/fire/scintillation) will blow you away with the ACA... just my 2 cents. on IGI stones, i have seen some yellow looking ones graded at an I but probably poorly cut. These ACAs are amazing, here is a thread on Ks... maybe that may or may not solidify your color choice. I never thought I'd go below an H color but extremely happy I did. Also are you'
ETA: compairing these diamonds next to each other alone? not in settings? in a settings IMHO it takes on a different personality . Oh I have had a J ACA then upgraded to a K ACA up in size, and I love my K more than my J (my K has fatter arrows than my J)

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/show-me-your-k-colored-diamonds.112476/
 
Date: 5/2/2009 7:41:04 PM
Author:justinislooking
My girlfriend and I went looking at diamonds today. I wanted to compare colors and I was hoping to get her involved in looking at diamonds. Up until today, she hasn''t been involved. I was having fun and thought we would really enjoy it together. The setting will remain as my secret though.

She mentioned that her friend had a stone that had a blue/purple glow sometimes. I mentioned that this was from fluorescence and she said that she liked it. I have since decided that I want to find a stone with strong/very strong blue fluorescence. I may compromise with medium, but I want to make sure she can see it when she wants to.

My point for today was to compare J/K colors. I was reading about people''s rings that are J/K colored. I figured that if I can save money or get a bigger stone, I''d love to go that route. We saw a few J''s and a few K''s today. The first J we saw was graded by IGI and was an oval... and it was VERY yellow. I started to get worried when I saw it. Later we saw a 2ct J IGI graded Princess that was beautiful. Very noticeable color though... possibly because of the cut. We finally found a store with some nicely graded stones. One we found was either an AGS or GIA (not sure), but it looked decent. It was a J with a very small hint of color. Neither of us thought the color was much different than an F we had beside it. Right now, from our small sample, it seems that GIA/AGS J''s are much less noticeable than the IGI J''s. This is good, because I will only buy GIA or AGS.

I need to know if the GIA/AGS J/K color is typically very low or if the IGI stones represent the typical J color... meaning K would be too much.

My girlfriend said that she liked the warmth of the J/K range, but thought that the IGI stones were too yellow. She also thought it would be nice to save some money by going down the J/K route.

My dilemma right now is this:
WF has an ACA K color that is a great size and saves me about $500 off of my .778ct G SI1 AGS0 that I have been considering. The ACA K color is also a VS2. The .778ct G is a Class 1A and the ACA K color is a Class 1B. I could buy this stone, risk it being overly yellow, and be disappointed.

I could also keep with my original decision and buy the .778 ct G that cost me 25% more than the K.

Neither of these stones have fluorescence though and I would love to find a stone with strong/very strong blue fluorescence, because my girlfriend likes it. I was hoping to find a .8ct J/K AGS0 with a strong blue fluorescence and anywhere from VS1 to SI1 - eye clean. This is EXTREMELY HARD to do, because hardly any AGS0s have fluorescence. I really don''t want to get a GIA certed stone, because I want to know that its AGS0 quality. Does anybody know of .8ct AGS0 J/K with strong blue fluorescence in the $1,900 - $2,500 range? I think I have checked all of the certified vendors. There are plenty in this range without fluorescence.
You could have WF send you both stones so you can compare them, and then return the one you don''t want within the examanation period. This would cost you the price of shipping both ways, ~$75. And you could have the fun of seeing them side by side.

To really assess your comfort level with colors in diamonds you need to find AGS or GIA graded RBs and compare them side by side. Fancies like ovals and pricess cuts show more color face up than RBS, as will poorly cut stones. As well, the other labs you spoke of are softer graders, so those stone may have been L-M-O stons by AGS/GIA standards.

If your girlfriend didn''t mind the warmth, or even liked the warmth she saw in the well graded stones you saw in person, then she will probably love a K ACA, which will face up whiter than most other well-graded stones because of the excellent cut. I owned a J and loved it, and have just upgraded to a larger K. If you are interested, I recently compiled a thread of K colored stones: https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/show-me-your-k-colored-diamonds.112476/ Some show more color than others, and you can''t completely judge color by pictures, but many of the whiter stones are whiteflash ACA. Jenn5504 posted hers on page 1 and so did Kim_N on pages 2 and 3.
 
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