Do all PS familiar vendors have fancy shapes in stock?

[Maisie]

I was wondering if the familiar PS vendors have fancy shapes like Radiants, Ovals, Pears etc in stock or do they have to be ordered in? I know that most carry an inventory of Round Brilliants.

Do all the vendors get their fancy shapes from the same cutters?

 

[Mrs Mitchell]

Interesting question - did you have a project in mind?

The only place I''ve bought a fancy shape online is Diamonds by Lauren - they have all their stones in stock.

I contacted WF a while ago about trading my RB ACA studs for EC studs and they didn''t have any in stock. I got the ones in my avatar instead, from DBL. (Stuck with two pairs of studs, what a pity...

)

Jen

 

[Maisie]

Those diamonds in your AV are gorgeous Jen!

I am thinking of maybe buying myself a little something. But I would like to stay away from anything I have had before. When you look on the vendor websites like James Alllen, BGD, Goodoldgold, WF etc, they have lots of Fancy Shape stones listed but i''m not sure if they have them in stock or whether they need to be called in.

 

[Lula]

Personally, I would only trust several seasoned PS vendors if I was looking for a fancy shape: Wink at High Performance Diamonds, Todd at Nice Ice, and Jonathan at Good Old Gold. Other PS members have worked with Mark at Excel for cushions and David at Diamonds by Lauren for fancy colors and been very satisfied. But if it was me, I''d start with Wink, Todd, and Jonathan.

Finding a good fancy shape requires more than just calling in stones and viewing the photos, ASETS, numbers, etc. I think they are very tricky to buy and you must trust the vendor (there, I said it!). It''s not a do-it-yourself transaction like buying a round brilliant.

 

[Maisie]

I agree with you Sara. I don''t know the first thing about buying fancy shapes. I can read tutorials till they are coming out of my ears but I would never trust myself to buy a fancy shape by myself!

 

[Lula]

Date: 3/22/2010 3:06:05 PM
Author: Maisie
I agree with you Sara. I don''t know the first thing about buying fancy shapes. I can read tutorials till they are coming out of my ears but I would never trust myself to buy a fancy shape by myself!

LOL on the tutorials! Yes, when I first came to PS, I was considering an emerald cut. I read a bunch of old threads (Karl K''s) on the numbers, read all the tutorials, and decided that if I wanted to buy a diamond in this century, I should stick with a RB.

But someday I hope to own a nice emerald cut. What shape(s) are you thinking of?

 

[Maisie]

I like Asschers, EC and Oval. I also love the Octavia and AVC! Its a good job we can post here about what is a great diamond and what isn't. I would be lost otherwise.

 

[Rhino]

Hi Maisie,

Can''t speak for everyone but we will stock fancies depending upon supply/demand for the shape.

For example the only pears, marquises, ovals and emerald cuts we''ll stock will be either those we have purchased through estate, taken on trade or have on consignment. Makes no sense to stock them since they are easily and readily available.

Princess cuts in way of AGS Ideal or even down to GIA Vg/Vg *with* AGS Ideal light performance we will stock regularly as we locate them as well as other fancy shapes & speciality cuts we''ll specialize in cut for light performance (Jubilee, Octavia, Star129, etc.) Being in NY many of the more common fancy shapes are right here in my backyard so it doesn''t make sense to lay out capital to carry. If things change and if a shape grows in demand (like cushion has for example) we''ll always stock what we know will be the rarest performers in a given shape. Till then we just cherry pick as the needs arise.

All the best,

 

[Lula]

Maisie, I love the step cuts, too. With Octavia, you're guaranteed a great stone.

I know nothing at all about ovals and wouldn't even know where to start! I do think they're pretty, though.

But I really do wish someone would start cutting a high quality emerald cut. There seems to be so little stock in emerald cuts, and what's there is blah-looking. I seem to remember an old thread on asschers where Karl K and maybe some other vendors were saying that when asschers were became popular (due to "Sex and the City") lots of stones were recut to meet demand. I'm not sure if I'm remembering this right.

But I wonder if this meant fewer standard emerald cuts were being cut because the fashion was for square shapes.

 

[Maisie]

Date: 3/22/2010 3:21:36 PM
Author: Rhino
Hi Maisie,

Can''t speak for everyone but we will stock fancies depending upon supply/demand for the shape.

For example the only pears, marquises, ovals and emerald cuts we''ll stock will be either those we have purchased through estate, taken on trade or have on consignment. Makes no sense to stock them since they are easily and readily available.

Princess cuts in way of AGS Ideal or even down to GIA Vg/Vg *with* AGS Ideal light performance we will stock regularly as we locate them as well as other fancy shapes & speciality cuts we''ll specialize in cut for light performance (Jubilee, Octavia, Star129, etc.) Being in NY many of the more common fancy shapes are right here in my backyard so it doesn''t make sense to lay out capital to carry. If things change and if a shape grows in demand (like cushion has for example) we''ll always stock what we know will be the rarest performers in a given shape. Till then we just cherry pick as the needs arise.

All the best,

Thanks for posting

So would you say that shapes like Marquise, Pears and Ovals are less in demand? Does this make them less expensive?

 

[Rhino]

Thanks for the quick response.


Yes, less in demand and yes, less expensive.

 

[Maisie]

Date: 3/22/2010 3:26:05 PM
Author: sarap333
Maisie, I love the step cuts, too. With Octavia, you''re guaranteed a great stone.

I know nothing at all about ovals and wouldn''t even know where to start! I do think they''re pretty, though.

But I really do wish someone would start cutting a high quality emerald cut. There seems to be so little stock in emerald cuts, and what''s there is blah-looking. I seem to remember an old thread on asschers where Karl K and maybe some other vendors were saying that when asschers were became popular (due to ''Sex and the City'') lots of stones were recut to meet demand. I''m not sure if I''m remembering this right.

But I wonder if this meant fewer standard emerald cuts were being cut because the fashion was for square shapes.

The lady who works in my local post office has an EC ering. It''s quite big, I would say maybe 1.5cts. Its totally dead looking. Not one little gleam or sparkle or anything. I love EC diamonds and I know they don''t sparkle like rounds, but I would expect something from it!

 

[Maisie]

Date: 3/22/2010 3:33:46 PM
Author: Rhino
Thanks for the quick response.


Yes, less in demand and yes, less expensive.

I like the idea of them being less expensive

 

[Mrs Mitchell]

Date: 3/22/2010 2:55:01 PM
Author: Maisie
Those diamonds in your AV are gorgeous Jen!

I am thinking of maybe buying myself a little something. But I would like to stay away from anything I have had before. When you look on the vendor websites like James Alllen, BGD, Goodoldgold, WF etc, they have lots of Fancy Shape stones listed but i''m not sure if they have them in stock or whether they need to be called in.

Thank you! My e-ring is an EC too. When I am working again, I''m going to have DBL find me a really nice EC for a pendant to complete the set.

I totally understand that you want something different. Have you looked at the Daussi rings at all? They are quite affordable and unique. I think people either love them or hate them, but I''m craving one and it''s on my hit list!

Jen

 

[Maisie]

I do like them! I have seen a few on the Dover Jewellery website.

 

[Mrs Mitchell]

Yes, they have some really good deals. I do like that website. The thing that puts me off getting a Daussi from there is that I''m getting over my preference for smaller stones, and I plan to buy one and trade it up from time to time, so I''ll going with DBL for the trade-up policy. I keep trying to picture the size that I''d like best and I fear it''s somewhere in the 5ct range

I really love these Daussi rings and if you get one, I''m going to visit and try it on. Regularly.

 

[Maisie]

Date: 3/22/2010 4:29:41 PM
Author: Mrs Mitchell
Yes, they have some really good deals. I do like that website. The thing that puts me off getting a Daussi from there is that I''m getting over my preference for smaller stones, and I plan to buy one and trade it up from time to time, so I''ll going with DBL for the trade-up policy. I keep trying to picture the size that I''d like best and I fear it''s somewhere in the 5ct range

I really love these Daussi rings and if you get one, I''m going to visit and try it on. Regularly.

Ooh yes! 5ct sounds about right!! You should visit anyway, its not like its that far is it?

 

[Rockdiamond]

HI All!

I have a slightly different viewpoint on this one.
Like Jon, we''re in NYC- so there a lot of goods "in our backyard" ( don''t let the dog back there!!)
But we do stock some ovals pears and emerald cuts.
Since two ostensibly identical ( same weight color clarity) emerald cuts can look totally different, we do stock them when we find ones we love.
The way it handles the imperfections as well ( gotta love those eye clean SI2 and I1 emerald cuts!)

Marquises, I agree, far less in demand today....but even then, it might make sense to stock an exceptional stone for a vendor who does stock goods.
We buy yellow ,pink or brown marquises when we see them and love them.

Sara- what you mentioned about numbers, and the complexity of interpretation is one reason I feel that it''s not necessarily best for consumers to use the numbers.
As a wholesale buyer selection is going to be done exclusively on how a stone looks.
Basically I think it''s a shame if people shy away from a shape like emerald cut due to an impression they need to be an expert to get a good one.

 

[WinkHPD]

Date: 3/22/2010 2:18:05 PM
Author:Maisie
I was wondering if the familiar PS vendors have fancy shapes like Radiants, Ovals, Pears etc in stock or do they have to be ordered in? I know that most carry an inventory of Round Brilliants.

Do all the vendors get their fancy shapes from the same cutters?

After more than 30 years in the business I now get my entire inventory of princess and rounds from a single cutter. I stock no other diamonds, and there are a few reasons for this.

One reason is that I am just picky about where my inventory dollars go. There is always demand for the best rounds. The princess clients who find me have typically decided-on a peak performer as well, so I can rely on moving those shapes.

Another reason is that I can’t presume to know what someone will want in another shape until I speak with them and understand what they’re looking for. One look does not fit all and one of the benefits of that process is that our conversation always reveals details I will use in determining which contact I use to source the shape and cutting style. Honestly there are so few cutters producing what I consider top performance in fancies that each person I work for produces his or her own treasure hunt.

Lastly, if I had a lot of inventory, even all-winners, it might have prevented some of the nice interactions I’ve had with clients and my various professional contacts, and anyone who knows me also knows that I am in this business because I love people as much as gemstones and jewelry.

Wink

 

[Maisie]

Yellow Diamonds!!! Oh my word. I want one! I should never have looked at your site David!

 

[Maisie]

Date: 3/22/2010 5:46:06 PM
Author: Wink

Date: 3/22/2010 2:18:05 PM
Author:Maisie
I was wondering if the familiar PS vendors have fancy shapes like Radiants, Ovals, Pears etc in stock or do they have to be ordered in? I know that most carry an inventory of Round Brilliants.

Do all the vendors get their fancy shapes from the same cutters?

After more than 30 years in the business I now get my entire inventory of princess and rounds from a single cutter. I stock no other diamonds, and there are a few reasons for this.

One reason is that I am just picky about where my inventory dollars go. There is always demand for the best rounds. The princess clients who find me have typically decided-on a peak performer as well, so I can rely on moving those shapes.

Another reason is that I can’t presume to know what someone will want in another shape until I speak with them and understand what they’re looking for. One look does not fit all and one of the benefits of that process is that our conversation always reveals details I will use in determining which contact I use to source the shape and cutting style. Honestly there are so few cutters producing what I consider top performance in fancies that each person I work for produces his or her own treasure hunt.

Lastly, if I had a lot of inventory, even all-winners, it might have prevented some of the nice interactions I’ve had with clients and my various professional contacts, and anyone who knows me also knows that I am in this business because I love people as much as gemstones and jewelry.

Wink

I have worked with you Wink so I am sure you will know what I am talking about here. A major part of the buying process for me is interacting with the vendor. I have to work with someone who loves their job. I like to have someone enjoy the excitement with me and help me down the purchase road. I loved every conversation I had with you Wink. You are a genuinely nice man who really does love his work. You have a way of working out exactly what will work and what won''t and you never try to make a customer spend more than they can afford.

So just to clarify, you do sell fancies even though they aren''t on your HPD website?

 

[Mrs Mitchell]

Date: 3/22/2010 5:47:23 PM
Author: Maisie
Yellow Diamonds!!! Oh my word. I want one! I should never have looked at your site David!

Fatal, isn''t it!? I want a yellow one too. Badly!

If you get one, I''ll be there! If you don''t, let''s go out for dinner anyway.

 

[Maisie]

Date: 3/22/2010 6:03:02 PM
Author: Mrs Mitchell

Date: 3/22/2010 5:47:23 PM
Author: Maisie
Yellow Diamonds!!! Oh my word. I want one! I should never have looked at your site David!

Fatal, isn''t it!? I want a yellow one too. Badly!

If you get one, I''ll be there! If you don''t, let''s go out for dinner anyway.

I think I will be a little old lady before I can afford a yellow diamond. Imagine me with my zimmer frame hobbling along flashing my honkin diamond! I will so rock that look!!

Dinner sounds like a good idea!! Bring your diamonds!!

 

[Mrs Mitchell]

Date: 3/22/2010 6:07:43 PM
Author: Maisie

Date: 3/22/2010 6:03:02 PM
Author: Mrs Mitchell

Date: 3/22/2010 5:47:23 PM
Author: Maisie
Yellow Diamonds!!! Oh my word. I want one! I should never have looked at your site David!

Fatal, isn''t it!? I want a yellow one too. Badly!

If you get one, I''ll be there! If you don''t, let''s go out for dinner anyway.

I think I will be a little old lady before I can afford a yellow diamond. Imagine me with my zimmer frame hobbling along flashing my honkin diamond! I will so rock that look!!

Dinner sounds like a good idea!! Bring your diamonds!!

Maybe we could go halves? Wear it month about? It isn''t that far to drive. I''d be happy with a Daussi or any of David''s amazing yellow diamonds. I went to see them in person a while back and DH said I drooled a little. Classy!

 

[Maisie]

Date: 3/22/2010 6:12:38 PM
Author: Mrs Mitchell

Maybe we could go halves? Wear it month about? It isn''t that far to drive. I''d be happy with a Daussi or any of David''s amazing yellow diamonds. I went to see them in person a while back and DH said I drooled a little. Classy!

Oh yes, very classy!

I would definitely share if it meant getting a yellow diamond!!! I would feel very posh!!

 

[WinkHPD]

Date: 3/22/2010 5:54:38 PM
Author: Maisie

Date: 3/22/2010 5:46:06 PM
Author: Wink

Date: 3/22/2010 2:18:05 PM
Author:Maisie
I was wondering if the familiar PS vendors have fancy shapes like Radiants, Ovals, Pears etc in stock or do they have to be ordered in? I know that most carry an inventory of Round Brilliants.

Do all the vendors get their fancy shapes from the same cutters?

After more than 30 years in the business I now get my entire inventory of princess and rounds from a single cutter. I stock no other diamonds, and there are a few reasons for this.

One reason is that I am just picky about where my inventory dollars go. There is always demand for the best rounds. The princess clients who find me have typically decided-on a peak performer as well, so I can rely on moving those shapes.

Another reason is that I can’t presume to know what someone will want in another shape until I speak with them and understand what they’re looking for. One look does not fit all and one of the benefits of that process is that our conversation always reveals details I will use in determining which contact I use to source the shape and cutting style. Honestly there are so few cutters producing what I consider top performance in fancies that each person I work for produces his or her own treasure hunt.

Lastly, if I had a lot of inventory, even all-winners, it might have prevented some of the nice interactions I’ve had with clients and my various professional contacts, and anyone who knows me also knows that I am in this business because I love people as much as gemstones and jewelry.

Wink

I have worked with you Wink so I am sure you will know what I am talking about here. A major part of the buying process for me is interacting with the vendor. I have to work with someone who loves their job. I like to have someone enjoy the excitement with me and help me down the purchase road. I loved every conversation I had with you Wink. You are a genuinely nice man who really does love his work. You have a way of working out exactly what will work and what won''t and you never try to make a customer spend more than they can afford.

So just to clarify, you do sell fancies even though they aren''t on your HPD website?

Sure, when I can find something that is exciting and worthy to present. That is why I referred to each fancy producing a Treasure Hunt. Sometimes you find the treasure, other times you do not.

Wink

 

[Mrs Mitchell]

Date: 3/22/2010 6:14:20 PM
Author: Maisie

Date: 3/22/2010 6:12:38 PM
Author: Mrs Mitchell

Maybe we could go halves? Wear it month about? It isn''t that far to drive. I''d be happy with a Daussi or any of David''s amazing yellow diamonds. I went to see them in person a while back and DH said I drooled a little. Classy!

Oh yes, very classy!

I would definitely share if it meant getting a yellow diamond!!! I would feel very posh!!

Actually, I think there is something about fancy shapes and fancy colours that does look posh! Like, I don''t really notice an RB ring, but a fancy shape grabs my attention immediately.

I really like your plan to go with a different shape (not least because I live near enough to you that I might just get to try it on) but a different colour would really rock! You don''t see many of them where we live.

 

[Maisie]

I definitely want something different. I am drawn to squareish shapes. And you can only try mine on if I can try yours on!

 

[Mrs Mitchell]

Grand. I have some squareish shapes.