Do all AGS ideals exhibit hearts and arrows?

[pfunk]

I got my diamond the other day and I REALLY like the way it looks. It came from James Allen who I must say was a joy to work with throughout the process. When it came, it arrived with a hearts and arrows viewer which I thought was interesting considering it was not one of their "true hearts" diamonds. Long story short, I played around with the viewer and found it so very easy to visualize the arrows but at first I couldn't see anything that resembled hearts at all. After awhile though, I was able to figure it out and even got this picture with my phone camera.



I have read quite a bit about what it takes to truly be considered a hearts and arrows diamond, and know that this would not meet the standards for most if not all jewelers, but is this a typical representation of what you will see on all AGS ideal cut diamonds? Do they all exhibit hearts and arrows, albeit not to the perfect branded standards that many vendors have set for a H&A diamond?

 

[Karl_K]

An ags0 RB diamond can have anything from picture perfect hearts to a total mess.
That said a if the cutter took the time to cut ideal polish and symmetry there is a good chance there is some kind of recognizable heart pattern but there is no guarantee.

 

[JoshuaNiamehr]

To me Hearts and Arrows has always been a marketing shtick. It cant be used to quantify a diamonds beauty. There are many many diamonds who dont exhibit H&A (rounds) which can be as beautiful or more beautiful than a diamond that does exhibit H&A under a scope.

As a diamond dealer its not something I care about or look for when picking diamonds with superior light performance.

Not all AGS 000 have perfect H&A

 

[pfunk]

Thanks for the input guys. I certainly did not have hearts and arrows as a requirement when I was searching for a diamond, and I actually did not expect to see the hearts and arrows pattern in the diamond I purchased. But when I did, I thought perhaps all the AGS 000 rounds exhibit it to some degree. I know that my untrained eyes likely wouldn't be able to see a visual difference in performance due to hearts and arrows, but after reading an old thread on here that explained the precision cutting that it takes to produce H&A, I can certainly appreciate the time and attention that goes into the cutting and the price premium that those stones come with.

 

[JoshuaNiamehr]

Yes but the fact is there are other high precision cutting techniques besides achieving H&A that can make a diamond look amazing

 

[Texas Leaguer]

Not all AGS Ideals have good hearts and arrows patterning. It is possible to get a 0 score in the light performance ray tracing system without that the level of 3 dimensional precision needed to produce the pattern.

However, H&A is much more than "marketing schtick". Proper proportioning together with 3D precision faceting enables optimal light handling as the facets and virutual facets are in alignment with their counterparts and every light transaction between them and back to the eye is crisp and complete.

Yes, there are beautiful diamonds that are not cut to this level of precision. But were they to be, they would attain even better light performance. The difference may not be apparent under all lighting conditions, but there will be extra benefit in many circumstances, especially under conditions of duress, such as low light conditions or when the diamond has not been cleaned in a while.

Your diamond appears to have a nice hearts pattern indicating a very high level of faceting precision.

 

[JoshuaNiamehr]

Not all AGS Ideals have good hearts and arrows patterning. It is possible to get a 0 score in the light performance ray tracing system without that the level of 3 dimensional precision needed to produce the pattern.

However, H&A is much more than "marketing schtick". Proper proportioning together with 3D precision faceting enables optimal light handling as the facets and virutual facets are in alignment with their counterparts and every light transaction between them and back to the eye is crisp and complete.

Yes, there are beautiful diamonds that are not cut to this level of precision. But were they to be, they would attain even better light performance. The difference may not be apparent under all lighting conditions, but there will be extra benefit in many circumstances, especially under conditions of duress, such as low light conditions or when the diamond has not been cleaned in a while.

Your diamond appears to have a nice hearts pattern indicating a very high level of faceting precision.

Can there be a scenario where a diamond does exhibit H&A and does not perform as well as other precision cuts that may not have it? In example say AGS 000 with and without?

 

[Texas Leaguer]

Not all AGS Ideals have good hearts and arrows patterning. It is possible to get a 0 score in the light performance ray tracing system without that the level of 3 dimensional precision needed to produce the pattern.

However, H&A is much more than "marketing schtick". Proper proportioning together with 3D precision faceting enables optimal light handling as the facets and virutual facets are in alignment with their counterparts and every light transaction between them and back to the eye is crisp and complete.

Yes, there are beautiful diamonds that are not cut to this level of precision. But were they to be, they would attain even better light performance. The difference may not be apparent under all lighting conditions, but there will be extra benefit in many circumstances, especially under conditions of duress, such as low light conditions or when the diamond has not been cleaned in a while.

Your diamond appears to have a nice hearts pattern indicating a very high level of faceting precision.

Can there be a scenario where a diamond does exhibit H&A and does not perform as well as other precision cuts that may not have it? In example say AGS 000 with and without?

A diamond can have a good H&A pattern and at the same time have light performance deficits. If it is AGS0 that would indicate the deficits would be fairly minor.

A diamond can also have clarity features that cause a dropoff in performance no matter how good the cutting is.

 

[Gypsy]

Good reading for you: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/likelihood-of-finding-a-signature-super-ideal-diamond.174235/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/likelihood-of-finding-a-signature-super-ideal-diamond.174235/[/URL]

 

[pfunk]

Good reading for you: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/likelihood-of-finding-a-signature-super-ideal-diamond.174235/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/likelihood-of-finding-a-signature-super-ideal-diamond.174235/[/URL]

Thanks so much for posting that Gypsy. It was a great read packed with very good information!