did i get a good price on my stone?

[dcdiamond]

Hello everyone, i am a first time poster on pricescope. i just put a deposit down on a diamond for my gf. it is a 2.02 c, G color, SI 2 clarity, it as an excellent cut on the GIA cert. the dimensions are




Report Type: GIA Diamond Grading Report

Date of Issue: May 04, 2006

Round Brilliant

Measurements: 7.94 - 8.06 x 5.06 mm

Carat Weight: 2.02

Color Grade: G

Clarity Grade: SI2

Cut Grade: Excellent

Proportions:

Depth: 63.2 %

Table: 55 %

Crown Angle: 35°

Crown Height: 16 %

Pavilion Angle: 40.8°

Pavilion Depth: 43 %

Star length: 55 %

Lower Half: 80 %

Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted

Culet: None

Finish:

Polish: Very Good

Symmetry: Very Good

Fluorescence: None

Comments: Additional clouds are not shown.

I paying 14,500 for the stone plus tax. From my local jewler, it got a 1.7 on the holloway cut advisor when i plugged it in, please let me know your thoughts, thanks

 

[Lorelei]

Welcome to Pricescope!

It is a bit deep and has a bit more of a diameter variance than we often see here. It could be a nice diamond, but you could find a tighter cut stone. Do you know if a cloud is the grade making inclusion with this stone, check on the grading report, are there any clouds plotted? The reason I ask is that if a cloud/s are the reason this diamond got an SI2 grade, in rare cases they can interfere with the brilliance of the diamond, so it is worth checking.

A good range for depth on a round diamond is 60- 62.4% thereabouts, so you could use that as a guide.

 

[Ellen]

Hi dc,

As Lorelei pointed out, what I am noticing most about this stone, is the depth. It is causing it to face up (look) smaller than it should. It's looking like a 1.90, which means you are paying for that 2ct mark, but you're not getting the look of a 2 ct. I personally don't like paying for a "magic number", but not have it look as it should.

 

[dcdiamond]

thanks for the reply, there is so much to know about diamonds, the reason why i bought this one is because when i compared it to other loose stones it seemed to sparkle much more then any other ones i saw, i went to about 15 different b & m''s looked at about 50 different stones that were within my budget, and couldnt find one with as much livelyness to it, i didnt want to buy online because i am on somewhat of a time crunch and wouldnt have time to return the stone if i wasnt happy, it is an eye clean SI 2, ive been spotting SI2 inclusoins with my naked eye this one didnt have any that i could see without using the loupe, thanks

 

[Ellen]

Well, certainly if it seems the most appealing to your eyes, that counts for a lot! You definitely compared a fair amount of stones. I guess you would just have to decide if it''s going to bother you about paying a bit more than you should. If not, this may be the one for you!

Did you happen to see any AGS0 stones while looking?

 

[dcdiamond]

i did see a few, but they were much lower in color, and much more money, but it was from jared which is really expensive, i dont think i could have gotten the diamond cheaper unless i bought online, i went to every store whitin a 20 mile radius, and the prices were much more expensive then online, the reason i went with this one was beacuse it seemed like the best deal, i looked at an EGL certed d SI 2 for 11k and didnt want it, it didnt shine as well as this one and i wanted the GIA cert, i looked at all the branded H&A '' s which were very expensive, this one had H&A'' s when i looked through the viewer, but looking online, i didnt feel like i was overpaying by too much, and i got the piece of mind of looking at it next to alot of other stones, how much do you think i am overpaying?

 

[Allison D.]

DC Diamond, I don't believe you are overpaying for this stone....I think the price is quite fair for what it is.

As the gals pointed out, it's a touch deep and faces up a bit smaller than an AGS0 would, but it's far from being a poor stone. It earns a 1B grade under the AGA cut charts, so it will still far outperform most of what you'll see in the local chain stores. Given that it would cost in excess of $20K if it were a super-douper-louper and scored a 1A, I think this is an excellent choice within your budget.

I think this stone represents a good way to hit the magic 2-ct mark on paper without having to pay for the slightly larger spread of AGS0, and it's a great way to hit your budget without vast compromise.

 

[stone_seeker]

It seems like a good price based on the quick search I ran on pricescope. The only issue it may face up slightly less than a 2 ct stone due to the depth. But if it looked just as big as the other 2ct stones you saw and you think its the brightest and sparkliest, then it may be a good deal.

Did you see it outside of jewelry store lighting? Some B&M store lightss can make my dark shoes sparkle.

 

[dcdiamond]

Date: 8/25/2008 11:43:35 AM
Author: stone_seeker
It seems like a good price based on the quick search I ran on pricescope. The only issue it may face up slightly less than a 2 ct stone due to the depth. But if it looked just as big as the other 2ct stones you saw and you think its the brightest and sparkliest, then it may be a good deal.

Did you see it outside of jewelry store lighting? Some B&M store lightss can make my dark shoes sparkle.

the jeweler let me take 2 stones outside in the sun, it was the gia G SI2 and the EGl D SI 2 and the g totally out preformed the D, the stone still looked vey good in direct sunlight, the d si 2 must have been really deep because it did face up smaller then the G. to the jeweler'' s credit he did spend about 10-12 hours total with me and seemed very honest, he was very helpfull. also i would tell some of the other B & M''s the price that i was gettig this one for and they said something must be wrong with it. the jeweler who i bought the g from is my bosses friend, and told me i was getting the best deal he could possibly give me, i really appreciate everyones input on this, daimonds can be vey involved, thanks DC

 

[dcdiamond]

Date: 8/25/2008 11:43:30 AM
Author: Allison D.
DC Diamond, I don''t believe you are overpaying for this stone....I think the price is quite fair for what it is.

As the gals pointed out, it''s a touch deep and faces up a bit smaller than an AGS0 would, but it''s far from being a poor stone. It earns a 1B grade under the AGA cut charts, so it will still far outperform most of what you''ll see in the local chain stores. Given that it would cost in excess of $20K if it were a super-douper-louper and scored a 1A, I think this is an excellent choice within your budget.

I think this stone represents a good way to hit the magic 2-ct mark on paper without having to pay for the slightly larger spread of AGS0, and it''s a great way to hit your budget without vast compromise.

thank you very much for the post, i appreciate everyones feedback, im sure she will love it, i showed her a j color I1 in the mall the other day and she seemed like she would have been happy with that, thanks DC

 

[dcdiamond]

if a diamond gets a 1.7 on the HCA, shouldnt this be a very well cut stone? thanks for everyones feedback, DC

 

[Ellen]

Date: 8/25/2008 6:49:18 PM
Author: dcdiamond
if a diamond gets a 1.7 on the HCA, shouldnt this be a very well cut stone? thanks for everyones feedback, DC

It certainly has the possibility. And there's nothing to indicate from the info you've given us, including actually liking it the best, that this isn't a pretty stone. No one ever said it wouldn't be pretty or perform well. The only real red flags were the depth, and as Lorelei pointed out, the possibility of inclusions affecting the performance. To reiterate, if the grade setting inclusions are clouds, coupled with the remark "additional clouds are not shown", there is a possibilty the performance could be affected.

You might have an independant appraiser take a look at it, that would settle any questions.

 

[dcdiamond]

Date: 8/25/2008 7:03:55 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 8/25/2008 6:49:18 PM
Author: dcdiamond
if a diamond gets a 1.7 on the HCA, shouldnt this be a very well cut stone? thanks for everyones feedback, DC

It certainly has the possibility. And there''s nothing to indicate from the info you''ve given us, including actually liking it the best, that this isn''t a pretty stone. No one ever said it wouldn''t be pretty or perform well. The only real red flags were the depth, and as Lorelei pointed out, the possibility of inclusions affecting the performance. To reiterate, if the grade setting inclusions are clouds, coupled with the remark ''additional clouds are not shown'', there is a possibilty the performance could be affected.

You might have an independant appraiser take a look at it, that would settle any questions.

there is one cloud in the gia report below the table, is the depth way off?

 

[Ellen]

Date: 8/25/2008 7:08:48 PM
Author: dcdiamond
there is one cloud in the gia report below the table, is the depth way off?

Well, it''s a little bit deep. Most of us pickykins would cut it off around 62.2ish.

Is there a good return policy where you are buying it?

 

[dcdiamond]

yes, does it being deep mean it will only look a liitle smaller, or does it mean it will not perform as well either?

 

[Ellen]

Date: 8/25/2008 7:17:59 PM
Author: dcdiamond
yes, does it being deep mean it will only look a liitle smaller, or does it mean it will not perform as well either?

I honestly don''t know at what depth performance may be affected. I did a search, and found a thread with advice from one of our PS vendors. (niceice) And yes, it does mean it will appear slightly smaller.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/how-deep-is-too-deep.78852/

Again, if you really like this stone, you might purchase it, contingent on it getting a good report from an IA.