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LaSuecia

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Hi everyone,
I'm new to this whole diamond buying thing but I've read a lot about it and I really felt ready to buy my diamond, so I did.

http://www.igiworldwide.com/verify.php?r=S3H50117

This is the diamond. I know it's quite small compared to American standard, but where I'm from, this is quite big so I'm very happy with the size.
I did the HCA tool thingie and it came out an excellent score of 1.9, so borderline very goog, but still on the excellent side.
The color says H in the report, but I bought it as a J color.
The price was very good too.

So it all seems fine right?
Cause now I'm completely worried that the stone is shit because it is an IGI report.
Like the SI1 is accually a PI3 or something and the excellent cut is merely a good cut and so on.
I know I''m obssessing, but I can't help to wonder if I made a bad deal.

How would you grade the stone after seeing the report?

Super thankful for your help!
 
LaSuecia|1428350152|3857631 said:
Hi everyone,
I'm new to this whole diamond buying thing but I've read a lot about it and I really felt ready to buy my diamond, so I did.

http://www.igiworldwide.com/verify.php?r=S3H50117

This is the diamond. I know it's quite small compared to American standard, but where I'm from, this is quite big so I'm very happy with the size.
I did the HCA tool thingie and it came out an excellent score of 1.9, so borderline very goog, but still on the excellent side.
The color says H in the report, but I bought it as a J color.
The price was very good too.

So it all seems fine right?
Cause now I'm completely worried that the stone is shit because it is an IGI report.
Like the SI1 is accually a PI3 or something and the excellent cut is merely a good cut and so on.
I know I''m obssessing, but I can't help to wonder if I made a bad deal.

How would you grade the stone after seeing the report?

Super thankful for your help!
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What information was available to you when you bought the stone? When you say you bought it as a J, do you mean it was uncertified at the point and was subsequently sent to IGI or is there another lab report on the stone? Have you seen the stone in person?

You will get more useful feedback here if you give more background on the situation.
 
Texas Leaguer|1428350512|3857634 said:
What information was available to you when you bought the stone? When you say you bought it as a J, do you mean it was uncertified at the point and was subsequently sent to IGI or is there another lab report on the stone? Have you seen the stone in person?

You will get more useful feedback here if you give more background on the situation.
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I only had the info from the IGI report.
It was graded a J color by the gemmologist at the shop, or she sold it as a J because she thought H was too white. It is a shop with a good reputation. I guess she felt like a lot of other people say, that IGI are too generous when grading.
They don't keep diamonds there, but order them for you when you buy, so I couldnt see the diamond, but luckily their return plicy is very generous so I can return it, two weeks after I recieve it at latest, but I am considering perhaps to cancel the order completely and find a GIA stone.
 
Oh, it's an online shop.
 
LaSuecia|1428351330|3857641 said:
luckily their return plicy is very generous so I can return it, two weeks after I recieve it at latest, but I am considering perhaps to cancel the order completely and find a GIA stone.
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This is a good idea.

Cancel completely and limit your search to stones with GIA or AGS certs.
 
RockyRacoon|1428352886|3857656 said:
LaSuecia|1428351330|3857641 said:
luckily their return plicy is very generous so I can return it, two weeks after I recieve it at latest, but I am considering perhaps to cancel the order completely and find a GIA stone.
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This is a good idea.

Cancel completely and limit your search to stones with GIA or AGS certs.
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I should, should 't I....
I think I was so excited cause the price was right and the HCA tool said it was rhight. Iknow its not meant to be used like I just did, but I thought if it got an excellent score ,it just cant be that bad.
 
You should. Cancel and start a new search. Some members here are extremely knowledgable and can help point you in the right direction.
 
LaSuecia|1428353672|3857661 said:
RockyRacoon|1428352886|3857656 said:
LaSuecia|1428351330|3857641 said:
luckily their return plicy is very generous so I can return it, two weeks after I recieve it at latest, but I am considering perhaps to cancel the order completely and find a GIA stone.
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This is a good idea.

Cancel completely and limit your search to stones with GIA or AGS certs.
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I should, should 't I....
I think I was so excited cause the price was right and the HCA tool said it was rhight. Iknow its not meant to be used like I just did, but I thought if it got an excellent score ,it just cant be that bad.
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Nothing to feel bad about. I can definitely understand your reasoning. Many folks arrived here with the same set of circumstances, except they were stuck with their stone, while you can still return yours and find a viable option! You should consider yourself lucky to discover this early on in the buying process.

Let us know what sort of budget you are looking at, along with ranking your preferences (size, color, clarity), by importance.

Post that info here and you should get some good suggestions of stones that have been vetted and have data to show they are top-notch quality.
 
You are lucky to be able to cancel/return as others have recommended.
I don't know where you are from but there is an expression that goes like this......."you get what you pay for".
Diamonds fall into this saying.
Best of luck.
 
Not entirely certain if the gemologist who works for the online vendor actually saw the stone (graded by IGI Mumbai) in person before lowering the color grade. But as a general FYI, a fair number of those in the trade who have seen a variety of IGI-graded loose diamonds (including my late father-in-law) would not agree that "IGI [labs] are too generous when grading." See, e.g., responses of Trade members in this 2012 thread:
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/igi-grading-system.182725/

and these December 2014 comments from John Pollard, the US Executive for Crafted by Infinity:
https://www.pricescope.com/author/john-pollard
In the global picture IGI loose diamond reports are reputable. The negative sentiment in the USA has been arrived-at based on the "finished jewelry appraisal-reports" which are famously misused by salespeople to demonstrate what a "bargain" a piece is. Only the USA lab issues those, by the way. None of the other IGI Worldwide locations do it.

The IGI Antwerp lab has a strong history in Europe. IGI Mumbai is well respected and IGI Hong Kong has a top reputation in Asia.
https://www.pricescope.com/communit...ork-reorganizes.208588/#post-3795089#p3795089

But I think you will feel more comfortable-confident comparing apples to apples (diamonds with GIA reports with other GIA-graded diamonds or AGS:AGS).
 
RockyRacoon|1428352886|3857656 said:
LaSuecia|1428351330|3857641 said:
luckily their return plicy is very generous so I can return it, two weeks after I recieve it at latest, but I am considering perhaps to cancel the order completely and find a GIA stone.
Click to expand...

This is a good idea.

Cancel completely and limit your search to stones with GIA or AGS certs.
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Well hang on just a second. Just because a diamond has an IGI report does that inherently make the diamond a bad deal? I think not.
The problem with the "other" labs in general is if the same diamond was sold instead based on the GIA paper with lower grading it might sell for less.

First I think we should see the report and the price and evaluate the likely GIA graded alternatives for the same money.
In all fairness to the OP this might be a worthwhile exercise.
 
Thank you for all of your input.
The report is attached in my first message, so you can rread it there.
I am concidering to still recieve the stone, and matbe it looks good.
Thing is that I really dont know what to look for except color and clarity if I am just to look at the stone, without papers. With papers I can somewhat read into it but not as well as many of you here.
What is super fiery and with lots of scintilliation to me, might be a real low standard diamond.
On the good side, its a quite small stone, so its not as important for everything to be super excellent? Or am I wrong. I know you usually get what you pay for, so Im not expecting perfectiion, but i think this might br to average of a stone.

Question tho: the HCA tool; Iveread that the stones that score well, aren't usually the classicly perfectly cut stones, so my stone isnt cut perfectly, is that why it performed well on the tool? So if I value an excellent cut, depth,tavle, angles and all that according to the standard of say GIA, my rock might perform worse? I haven't thought of it like that before, but it kust crossed my mind.

I live in sweden, and the diamonds here are very average overall. People are usually happy with going in to the jewler and getting something off a shelve, the clerks are usually not educated at all and I as a complete newbie know far more than they do about diamonds.
All they know is the 4c's barely. They've heard of it sortof but they have no clue what I am asking for when I ask for the table and depth. Or anything else really. Also, getting a lower color than G-H is impossible, they wont sell it because theyve been told its ugly and yellow. Silly swedes right ;)

There are a few places, like the one where I got my diamond that are good, but its online, and its hard to get help without feeling like an email stalker haha

Iam sorry about the book i just wrote. Im just so happy to have found such a great forum with people who hold on to so much knowledge.
I am just sorry I found it too late.

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I spent months researching (200+ hours reading websites articles etc) and looking and ended up, in my opinion, with an acceptable diamond for the money.

If I would do it all over again, I would just ask (nicely) Lorelei or Gypsy to find me something nice after giving them some criteria on budget size colour sensitivity etc. I'm sure other users are similarly qualified but these are the ones I remember (been off these forums for like 6 months).

That said, I'm a random person on the internet so why trust me?

So you do your research, then you do some more research and then you think you know some stuff. Then you read some more and realise you know nothing and start again. and you read more and more and then finally make your choice. But still... before you pull the trigger, you link the diamond and get opinions form the forum.

In the end, you feel a bigger sense of accomplishment for researching the item you chose, making the gift that much more personal than asking the tinterwebs for a recommendation and blindly trusting it.

my personal opinions are:

I dont like your current vendor because they tried to sell you an IGI diamond and I wouldnt buy from a vendor who stocked IGI diamonds.

recognise that this forum is for "cut is king" kind of people. If your SO doesnt care about cut or brilliance or colour or ANYTHING, and only wants size, you should keep that in mind. I suggest you look at some diamonds in person first before making such a decision - take the diamonds outside into natural light first though because jewellery shops have huge spotlights which make crap diamonds look shiny. After all that, if you come to the conclusion that you STILL want size, know that you are wrong and that cut is indeed king.

never trust jewellers trying to sell you a diamond at a "bargain price" and especially be wary of family friend jewellers who will give you a "good price".

Its good you managed to identify HCA as a tool, however its a negative selection tool, not a positive selection tool. You use it to screen out the crap. A diamond with a good HCA score can still be a dud. You get an idealscope or better yet an ASET to identify if the diamond you are looking at is one you want to purchase.

Then you have to look if you are getting good value for money, and see if there are equal or better diamonds from other vendors...

TL;DR - ask Lorelei or Gypsy
 
Thats great info,
Its basicly how I feel . I read and read and think I know stuff, and then I read more and realize I dont know.

I am not looking for the perfect diamond, because my budget doesnt allow for that. But a descent diamond, of good quality.
I found this new diamond to fulfill the criteria for excellent on table and depth.
The crownlength is very good and the pavilion depth is also very good.
Iknow its not perfect, but maybe its goog enough to be a really good diamond for the money i payed. Still, I have two weeks to return it if it tyrns out to be bad. It cost me 1570$, good price?
Its hard to ask for help tofind a diamond here, becuse im not buying from america, and you dont speak swedish so you cant help me:)
So Im just happy if you can tellme if the diamonds Ifind are descent.
This vendor is really good and I would not exclude them vecause of the IGI, they are well respected in europe, so even though Im slightly sceptical twoards them, i dont believe they are as bd as this forum claims. I still trust GIA more.
Still I trust my vendor, she is gia educated, and also, she wouldnt sell me a bad diamond. She inspects all diamonds vefore shipping them to her clients and if they dont fulfill her standards she wont sell it to you. Like with the IGI I bought, she wouldnt even sell it to me when she saw it was bad.
I have my hopes for this one, but Im open for the idea that Imight have to keep looking
 
In a colourless diamond, a green tint is a negative ding. If it is green enough to receive a fancy coloured report, then it's a different story.
 
This diamond was graded in the fall of 2013, still no one has bought it. If it were a good diamond some one wouldve bought it i guess, no expert opinion but just my guess.
I'm just relieved She was honest about it and didnt try to sell it to me as adescent H.
 
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