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Another not pretty EC

Carat Weight: 1.18
Color: F
Clarity: VVS2
Graded By: GIA
Cut Grade: Very Good
Depth: 73.6%
Table: 68%
Girdle: Slightly Thick to Thick
Culet: None
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Very Good
Fluorescence: Faint
Measurements: 6.71 x 5.11 x 3.76
Length / Width Ratio: 1.31
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These are lovely ECs

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Another not good EC

Shape: Emerald
Carat weight: 1.32
Cut: Premium
Color: F
Clarity: VS2
Certificate: GIA
Depth: 69.2%
Table: 61%
Polish: EX
Symmetry: G
Girdle: TK
Culet: None
Fluorescence: None
Measurements: 7*5.46*3.78
Ratio: 1.28
Crown Height: 12.5
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Gorgeous EC

Measurments 6.83*4.92*3.20
Weight 1.01Carat
Depth 65%
Table 65%
Girdle Thin to Medium
Cutlet None
Polish Excellent
Symmetry Very Good
Clarity Grade Vs2
Flour None

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Another lovely EC from GOG in 2005

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I found a potential stone that meets all your criteria

1.2 ct EC H VS2
GIA cert
Depth: 64.2%
Table: 65%
Girdle: Medium
Polish VG
Symmetry VG
Dimension: 7.95 x 5.03 x 3.23
Price: $4391 with PS discount
http://www.whiteflash.com/emerald/Emerald-cut-diamond-232096.htm

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Ratio of 1.58:1 so it's on the long and skinny side
 
Another potential stone, but a little smaller and a little deeper

1.15 ct EC H VS2
GIA cert
Depth: 67.5%
Table: 63%
Girdle: Thick to V Thick
Polish VG
Symmetry VG
Dimension: 6.85 x 5.26 x 3.55

Ratio 1.3:1 so it's more squarish.
http://www.whiteflash.com/emerald/Emerald-cut-diamond-242855.htm ($4273)
I also saw this on James Allen's website but can't seem to link to it ($4170).

There seems to nothing else well cut in the 1.3 range.
 
Chrono: Thanks for all the pictures (and pointing out that emerald. I''ll look into it)! Still, I feel pretty confused still. The emeralds that you say are good generally have even spacing of "steps" throughout and look very clear. On the second page of this topic, your second post is a picture of one that you say isn''t so good. Why not? The steps look pretty evenly spaced. The picture gives the diamond a milky color, but is that because of the diamond or because of the camera. If it is because of the diamond, then I can understand to not look for a milky looking one. Am I on the right track?
 
You said that you and your gf aren''t "diamond people". Have you seen an ideal cut stone? If you haven''t yet, why don''t you check out the videos on Good Old Gold. GOG videos Once you see the difference between an ideal cut stone and the normal run of the mill stone, you just may become a diamond person.
 
JulieN found a really nice stone from JA:

1.22 ct EC H VS1
GIA cert
Depth: 68.4% (a bit deep so it''ll look smaller)
Table: 62%
Girdle: Slightly Thick to V Thick
Polish VG
Symmetry VG
Dimension: 6.32 x 5.48 x 3.75
Ratio: 1.15

Price: $5410 (but I''m sure you''ll get a small price break just by saying you are a Pricescoper if you bankwire the funds)
 
Thanks for looking for diamonds for me Chrono. My girlfriend really likes them rectangular though, so I guess I don''t want to settle for anything less than a 1.3 ratio. Thats something I don''t think I''ve brought up yet.
 
I know this is an EGL cert EC but if all checks out as accurate, it could be a good buy.

1.23 ct EC H VS1
EGL cert
Depth: 67.9% (a bit deep so it''ll look smaller)
Table: 59%
Girdle: no information
Polish VG
Symmetry VG
Dimension: 7.22 x 5.14 x 3.49
Ratio: 1.4:1
Price: $4130 (but I''m sure you''ll get a small price break just by saying you are a Pricescoper if you bankwire the funds)
http://www.whiteflash.com/emerald/Emerald-cut-diamond-290253.htm
 
Date: 6/13/2007 9:51:02 AM
Author: Chrono
JulieN found a really nice stone from JA:

1.22 ct EC H VS1
GIA cert
Depth: 68.4% (a bit deep so it'll look smaller)
Table: 62%
Girdle: Slightly Thick to V Thick
Polish VG
Symmetry VG
Dimension: 6.32 x 5.48 x 3.75
Ratio: 1.15

Price: $5410 (but I'm sure you'll get a small price break just by saying you are a Pricescoper if you bankwire the funds)
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http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=131&item=1067849

I forgot to add the link to the stone.
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Sorry, I just saw that you don't like the ratio. Moving on...
 
Date: 6/13/2007 11:01:24 AM
Author: Chrono
I know this is an EGL cert EC but if all checks out as accurate, it could be a good buy.
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How could I "check out" that an EGL is accurate? Will companies send diamonds straight to independent appraisers before sending them to me or no?
 
If you are interested in this EGL stone, call up Whiteflash and ask them to call in the stone. They will check the stone for colour and clarity, run Idealscope and ASET pictures, and magnified pictures for you and a SARIN report too. If all checks out well, you get a great stone at a great price. If it's a dog, you are out $50 for shipping and the stone goes back into the virtual inventory.

You can also do the independent appraiser route and pay for the IA's services. You can have the stone shipped directly to you or to the IA first. Before shipping the stone to you though, WF will do all the abovementioned gamut of tests and eat the cost if you buy the stone from them. If you don't like the stone, you will only be charged the $50 (I think) for the shipping of the stone from the cutter/broker to WF.
 
OK. I guess I might have to do that. Hopefully it doesn''t take many stones...because that could obviously get expensive.

On a side note, JamesAllen.com is out for now. They had a couple of I''s, and a couple of H''s, but the H''s were closer to a 1.15 ratio.
 
It's true it could get expensive, hence the very tight specifications I have set for the diamond in respect to its depth, table, polish, symmetry, etc. Your chance of getting a dud has been considerably lessened but still possible.

Since one of the stones you are interested in has an EGL cert, call WF and ask these 2 questions first before calling the stone in on memo:
1. Is the cert an EGL USA - Very important
2. What is the crown height listed in the cert - also Very important

I checked out JA and ERD and nothing they have matches all your criteria. Either they were too expensive, too small or were not the right ratio you are looking for.
 
Both JA and ERD can get stones that fit your critera in... if they know EXACTLY what you want... they can search for it... even its not on their site. Which is why I suggested calling them and asking them to source stones for you.
 
To Gypsy: Oh. I didn't know that giving them a call with those specs and giving them an email would yield different results. I emailed them, and the guy there said that all they had to offer at this point in time were the few he had suggested. I can try calling them later.
 
Date: 6/13/2007 11:43:41 AM
Author: Gypsy
Both JA and ERD can get stones that fit your critera in... if they know EXACTLY what you want... they can search for it... even its not on their site. Which is why I suggested calling them and asking them to source stones for you.
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Gypsy,
You are correct. Both companies can quickly and easily source what you are looking for.

NerdCoreRocks,
Who did you call? JA or ERD? ERD is in the diamond district and has access to many different stones under short notice.
 
Hi. Could someone do me a favor. There are a couple of emerald diamonds on GoodOldGold.com. They both have very high table percentages. There are some normal pictures of the diamonds along with the red light pictures (don't know the term, but I know it's something done to show how well the diamond reflects light). The pictures look OK to me. I don't see how they look different than the good pictures that Chrono was showing me.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/3174/
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/2878/
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/2865/

Could someone show me how the pictures show that the cut of these diamonds is not desirable (in part at least because of the large table percentage)? I'm assuming that these diamonds are not well cut from what I've been told here. I need to learn what to look for. Thanks!
 
Date: 6/13/2007 2:25:28 PM
Author: NerdCoreRocks
Hi. Could someone do me a favor. There are a couple of emerald diamonds on GoodOldGold.com. They both have very high table percentages. There are some normal pictures of the diamonds along with the red light pictures (don''t know the term, but I know it''s something done to show how well the diamond reflects light). The pictures look OK to me. I don''t see how they look different than the good pictures that Chrono was showing me.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/3174/
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/2878/
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/2865/

Could someone show me how the pictures show that the cut of these diamonds is not desirable (in part at least because of the large table percentage)? I''m assuming that these diamonds are not well cut from what I''ve been told here. I need to learn what to look for. Thanks!
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Look at the GIA report. The table width is generally fine, and what is listed on the sidebar is wrong.
 
All 3 diamonds from GOG are hand selected and very beautiful. How can I tell?
#1. The step pattern is lovely as shown by the magnified pictures
#2. The Idealscope shows very little light leakage

All the number crunching is just a tool to help eliminate duds but does not guarantee 100% success. Sometimes there are stones that don''t fit into this "by the numbers chart" that pass the test. How is this achieved? By cutting all the right angles (but these are not noted in the certs), so this is where the Idealscope and ASET comes in. However, these types of stones are far and few. To increase your chance of success (and cut the $ spent on shipping back bad stones), I''d stick with elimination by the numbers first unless the vendor has the stone in their hand and can run all these tests for you.
 
thanks julien! That makes a lot of sense, because I thought all of those diamonds did in fact look pretty good.
 
I think they all look beautiful, but my preference is for the second one, provided that the "real" table is comparable to the other 2. It''s the biggest and to me looks the prettiest. However, the first one is the only one that fits a >1.3 L:W ratio. I calculated it at 1.43. These are both good color/clarity combinations. The third one is a little overkill (D color isn''t necessary) and much smaller than you''re looking to buy.
 
I actually wasn''t looking to buy any of these. One is too small and the other two are out of my price range. I just wanted to clear up the table issue.
 
They could be in your price range if you go with a simple solitaire setting!
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But I see how much you like the Beverly K setting. Keep looking, I guess!
 
would it be a bad idea to check this one out?
WhiteFlash

Report: EGL
. Shape: Emerald
. Carat: 1.20
. Depth %: 63
. Table %: 60
. Girdle: M-
. Measurements: 7.13-5.23X3.30
. Polish: Excellent
. Symmetry: Excellent
. Culet: None
. Fluorescence: None
Color: E
Clarity: VS2

WF rating of 4 stars
$4880 or something
 
Date: 6/14/2007 9:15:59 AM
Author: NerdCoreRocks
would it be a bad idea to check this one out?
WhiteFlash

Report: EGL
. Shape: Emerald
. Carat: 1.20
. Depth %: 63
. Table %: 60
. Girdle: M-
. Measurements: 7.13-5.23X3.30
. Polish: Excellent
. Symmetry: Excellent
. Culet: None
. Fluorescence: None
Color: E
Clarity: VS2

WF rating of 4 stars
$4880 or something
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This stone looks highly promising. Call WF and ask them these 2 questions first:
1. Is it a EGL USA cert? You don''t want a EGL Israel cert.
2. What crown height is stated in the cert?

If answer #1 is EGL USA and answer #2 is 10% or more, I''d call in the stone.
 
Since clarity is important for step cuts, I worry about a VS2 with an EGL cert. It could easily be an SI1 or SI2 that may not be eye-clean. If your answers to Chrono''s questions are yes, then it''s worth having WF take a look at the stone and send you pictures and an IS image. (Maybe an ASET too, but for some reason I haven''t seen these on anything other than rounds and princesses.)
 
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