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daysie8

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Hi Everyone,

After much discussion, the diamond has been set. I am posting pics here for you guys to assess.

In the 2nd photo, you can see sort of dark part in the upper half of the table, but not the bottom. I wonder if this is what CCL meant by significant assymetry?

Also, in the 1st photo, in the side view - you can clearly see the inclusion. The photo was taken with a powershot(?) after being magnified 4 times.

Also, after a lengthy discussion with the vendor, I now have til nxt Tuesday to decide whether or not I want the diamond. I have written confirmation that the diamond can be returned til then. Per my earlier suspicison, I spoke to another person working for the vendor and they didn't know that the owner had said i could only have exchange and not return, so she said I can have it returned. I then followed this up with a ph call to the owner, and I think he forgot he mentioned it could only be exchanged, so agreed to the refund in writing.
I know it doesn't give me much time, since I won't be getting it til this thursday - but at least this puts me in a much better position than before.

Would love your comments and thoughts in helping me decide!

Am also attaching the GIA cert + IS image for your reference.

set1.jpg

set2.jpg

set3.jpg

GIA2125386997-cert[1].jpg
 
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IS image

GIA2125386997-is[1].jpg
 
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Personal opinion only, I don't really like it. Since you have an opportunity to return for a refund, if I were you I'd take the refund.
 
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I think it looks lovely!! These pictures are magnified MUCH beyond what you're going to see when wearing this ring. Not every diamond has to be super ideal to be beautiful!!! At F VS2 you are going to have a magnificently white diamond with no visible inclusions. All you are going to be able to see are blinding flashes of light.

Wait until you can see it on your hand to make any decision as to whether or not you love it. :praise:
 
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Thanks for the quick reply.

@Loving gems: will be grateful if you can elaborate a lil more as to why you don't like it

@ uppy: I know, this is what the owners and employees have been telling me. But I have had a pretty hard time throughout this whole diamond buying experience (not just w this particular stone either!) it's actually been very anti-climatic. Can't even bring myself to be excited about due to so much apprehension :(sad

Lil background info: I was never that super picky about inclusions. I started out wanting to buy a SI1. However, my bf is sensitive to inclusions, so we upped the budget and thought that by getting a VS2 we were going to be safe. But unfortunately, the inclusions in this stone is dark...so is visible to the naked eye from the side-on view. Just how visible I guess I just have to wait. Everyone I've spoken to from the vendor says you have to look to see it, but nonetheless, I am still very worried.

Also, I have had advice from other PSers that eye-clean is only from top-down view. I guess I just didn't expect the inclusion to be this obvious from 4x magnification fr the side view.
 
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Hard to tell a lot from the pics, but I like what I see. I think it's going to be a pretty one.
 
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daysie8 said:
Hi Everyone,

After much discussion, the diamond has been set. I am posting pics here for you guys to assess.

In the 2nd photo, you can see sort of dark part in the upper half of the table, but not the bottom. I wonder if this is what CCL meant by significant assymetry?

I see the same thing in the photographs as I did in IS and in the video. Looks like variation in the lower girdle facets.

Also, in the 1st photo, in the side view - you can clearly see the inclusion. The photo was taken with a powershot(?) after being magnified 4 times.

Also, after a lengthy discussion with the vendor, I now have til nxt Tuesday to decide whether or not I want the diamond. I have written confirmation that the diamond can be returned til then. Per my earlier suspicison, I spoke to another person working for the vendor and they didn't know that the owner had said i could only have exchange and not return, so she said I can have it returned. I then followed this up with a ph call to the owner, and I think he forgot he mentioned it could only be exchanged, so agreed to the refund in writing.
I know it doesn't give me much time, since I won't be getting it til this thursday - but at least this puts me in a much better position than before.

Would love your comments and thoughts in helping me decide!

What did Jogia say about it being eye clean? Anyway you will have the ring soon and you can decide on both issues. As I said before this stone is discounted, and this may be due to (optical symmetry, light performance or clarity issues.) When you see it in person you can decide if you love it or not.

Good-Luck,
CCL
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The picture from the table angle is just the tilt when the picture was taken. The brilliance we see in a diamond are the alternate flashes of light and dark from the faceting. If there were no dark facets in a still picture, then I'd be more worried. Tilt the diamond a bit in another direction, freeze frame, and you'd have a different glimpse of the dark facets.

As for the inclusions you "see" from the side. That picture is so enlarged, and I still don't know if what I'm seeing between just those two prongs are inclusions or girdle reflection.

My suggestion, take a deep breath and wait until you can see that gorgeous piece on your hand. THEN AND ONLY THEN decide if there are any detractors.

Congratulations on your upcoming engagement!! I wish you the best.
 
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Hi CCL,

Thanks for responding!

Jogia keeps saying that it is 100% eye clean from topdown view, but not from the sideview. However, they say the inclusion from the side view is very hard to notice, ie. you need to look for it. I am going to determine how much this bothers me once I do get the ring.

Sorry for soundling like such a newbie, but I don't really understand what you mean about variation in lower girdle facets? What will variation impact??
I know that GIA only rated the symmetry being VG, but I am able to accept this.

IMHO (and pls correct me if I am wrong!) I think the price (which is closer to a SI1 price) is due to the fact that this inclusion is dark and can be seen from the side-view. My future SIL has a VS2, but there is no way you can see any inclusion - top, bottom or sides.

Should I post up the report he did? The report seems similar to AGS/Sarin type of report (?) I think, but am not too sure.
 
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Ditto Uppy.
 
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Hi Uppy,

These are definitely inclusions - have confirmed this in a video he sent me. I'll put up a link to the video.

Going to sit tight and pray everything will go ok tomorrow and that it does get shipped so I can see it on Thursday.
 
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No point on the sarin report by Jogia, it is still an average number report, no way to see the variation.
 
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Daysie, could they turn the stone a bit, so the majority of the black inclusions we see from the side could be more hidden behind one of the prongs? Besides the black dots, which are magnified and will not be this obvious, I think it looks lovely.
 
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Here is the video link:

http://video.jogiadiamonds.com.au/image ... 386997.mov

p.s I really appreciate all your advice! All the comments/suggestions have been helping to stay sane!
 
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I am going with tilt when the image is taken. As the arrows shaft in the Idealscope image are not the same length and the control leakage near the girdle is also uneven.
 
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Hi Septsparkle,

Aww...thanks!

I had previously already called them to discuss using the setting to hide the inclusions, and I think the biggest inclusion is currently being hidden behind a prong...unfortunate thing is these inclusions seem like a school of fish :(sad :(sad :(sad so can't hide it all. Plus it's near the facets?? so we're potentially seeing the mirror images or so I understand.
 
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HI Daysie.

Wait till you get it, try it on and see how it looks and how you feel about how it looks before you do anything.

Then I would suggest if you have ANY negative feelings, regret, or are trying to talk yourself into living with it that you send it back as quickly as you can and start over. From experience, if you try to talk yourself into loving it you will fail miserably. This is not like a pair of shoes you kind of like except for the one little scuff. This is something you will wear daily and the parts of it you try to like or not notice will become bigger, and bigger, and bigger until that's all you see.

Hang in there. I believe that it's not nearly as bad as it looks in those HUGE pictures. If any of us saw our skin/pores on our faces at that magnification, we'd freak out! :)
 
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I think your diamond is beautiful but you have to be happy with it.
 
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daysie8 said:
Hi Septsparkle,

Aww...thanks!

I had previously already called them to discuss using the setting to hide the inclusions, and I think the biggest inclusion is currently being hidden behind a prong...unfortunate thing is these inclusions seem like a school of fish :(sad :(sad :(sad so can't hide it all. Plus it's near the facets?? so we're potentially seeing the mirror images or so I understand.
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I see. Well, wait for the ring to come...and see what you think of it in person. You just never know how much your eyes will or will not be drawn to the inclusions and you might find that you actually like the stone as is. Not too many of us have unlimited budgets and we all have to compromise on something...for some they'd compromise on size and find a cleaner stone, be it eye or mind clean. For others, they'd go lower in color...others lower in clarity. Finding the perfect balance of all of these things within budget can be a chore...and this can take the fun out of it somewhere along the way. Hopefully though, when the ring arrives it will sing to you and all of your troubles will be well worth it. If it doesn't, and you are able to exchange it...then go ahead and do that. It's a large sum of money and you need to get a stone that will make you happy -- it doesn't have to be absolute perfection -- that's not realistic -- but you need to be able to look at it and not hate it. Just don't hate the stone before it gets to you. Deep down, I wasn't sure I was going to be happy with the Si1 stone inclusion....and as it turns out, that inclusion doesn't bother me! Would I rather it not be there? Sure! But, without an unlimited budget there had to be compromise somewhere and I think this stone is about as good as it gets for me and my preferences and my budget. Hopefully you'll feel the same way, too.
 
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@Anne: I like your use of figure of speech! Made me laugh cos I have a magnifying mirror and yes, it has scared the h*** out of me before! (Never use that side anymore).

Btw I just saw your other post about getting the branded H&A stones. TBVH, in retrospect, I think I should have gone with one of those stones and either waited another 6 mths for either $ increase or gone down in colour. It really takes the heartache out of choosing, esp for someone like me who ís a novice and have very little time to do the extensive research that is really necessary in choosing a good stone by yourself.

@ lknvrb4: thank you :)
 
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I think that the inclusions are visible also without a magnification.
For me that diamond isn't eye clean.
If you like it, ok, but if you're not sure, change it.
 
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daysie8 said:
@Anne: I like your use of figure of speech! Made me laugh cos I have a magnifying mirror and yes, it has scared the h*** out of me before! (Never use that side anymore).

Btw I just saw your other post about getting the branded H&A stones. TBVH, in retrospect, I think I should have gone with one of those stones and either waited another 6 mths for either $ increase or gone down in colour. It really takes the heartache out of choosing, esp for someone like me who ís a novice and have very little time to do the extensive research that is really necessary in choosing a good stone by yourself.

@ lknvrb4: thank you :)
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If you don't like this one, you can still go down to a G in color and perhaps a VS1 in clarity....maybe that would be a good trade off for you.
 
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I know how you're feeling apprehensive about the inclusions being visible from the side view. When I bought my wedding band I was told the diamonds were vs1&2, however through a loupe I can see one of the diamonds has several black carbon spots. I can't see it with my naked eyes but I wasn't happy about it, I was also expecting no visible inclusions for a vs 1, it is a small psychological issue. Btw my diamond is very small, nothing compare to a 2 ct, so I'm not sure if size effects visibility.

I know the inclusions are very enlarged in your pictures, and it may be a very beautiful in real life, so maybe it's prudent to view ii in person before you decide, I thought you have it in person already, my apologies. Another issue is the diamond's symmetry seemed to be a bit off, I don't know diamond technical jargon so I'll let the technical experts explain this to you.
 
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I own a 1.5 ct F VS2 that is eye clean from the side as well as from the top. I like it that way, because when you are sitting comfortably, with your hands relaxed, the side view is what you are going to see. It does have black carbon spots, easily visible with a loupe, but try as I might, I cannot see them without magnification.

The last diamond I purchased I had a choice of an F VS1 or an eye clean F SI2, which was much less expensive. Both were stunningly beautiful Crafted by Infinity, and I got to see them in person at a local dealer. The inclusions in the SI2 were a layer of whitish bubbles, easily visible from the side, sort of like your school of fish. I chose the VS1, because it was the mind clean stone. I just don't like seeing stuff in my colorless diamonds. BTW, I am in my 50s, but very near-sighted, so I continue to be able to see this stuff.

It's a matter of what is important to you. But, if you are paying for an F VS2, you should be able to get one that is eye-clean from all directions.
 
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septsparkle said:
daysie8 said:
Hi Septsparkle,

Aww...thanks!

I had previously already called them to discuss using the setting to hide the inclusions, and I think the biggest inclusion is currently being hidden behind a prong...unfortunate thing is these inclusions seem like a school of fish :(sad :(sad :(sad so can't hide it all. Plus it's near the facets?? so we're potentially seeing the mirror images or so I understand.
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I see. Well, wait for the ring to come...and see what you think of it in person. You just never know how much your eyes will or will not be drawn to the inclusions and you might find that you actually like the stone as is. Not too many of us have unlimited budgets and we all have to compromise on something...for some they'd compromise on size and find a cleaner stone, be it eye or mind clean. For others, they'd go lower in color...others lower in clarity. Finding the perfect balance of all of these things within budget can be a chore...and this can take the fun out of it somewhere along the way. Hopefully though, when the ring arrives it will sing to you and all of your troubles will be well worth it. If it doesn't, and you are able to exchange it...then go ahead and do that. It's a large sum of money and you need to get a stone that will make you happy -- it doesn't have to be absolute perfection -- that's not realistic -- but you need to be able to look at it and not hate it. Just don't hate the stone before it gets to you. Deep down, I wasn't sure I was going to be happy with the Si1 stone inclusion....and as it turns out, that inclusion doesn't bother me! Would I rather it not be there? Sure! But, without an unlimited budget there had to be compromise somewhere and I think this stone is about as good as it gets for me and my preferences and my budget. Hopefully you'll feel the same way, too.
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I finally worked out how to use the quote thingy!!

You really spoke my mind there Septsparkle. To begin with, I've always been an eye clean person, and not mind clean. I'm definitely a cut, carat, colour then clarity person. Unfortunately, my bf is colour, clarity, carat then cut. See the conundrum?? :cheeky:
I started out hunting for a SI1 stone, but he kept pushing for a VS2. So when we came across this stone that was still within our budget, we had really high hopes. But I guess I should have known better that diamonds are priced the way they are for a reason (well, at least in the online vendors $Ps anyway).

Currently, I am more or less ok with the stone if it really is barely visible. As for my bf, I really don't know. I think in his mind, he is still expecting some totally eye-clean or rather, mind clean stone. Maybe what bothers me more is the fact that he will be disappointed with what we end up with more so than how I really feel about the stone. I've always said to him I don't ever want to upgrade for sentimental reasons, so I really don't want him to see this stone as a mistake or poor judgment 10 years down the track. :(sad

Will sit tight till it gets here and let you guys know how it goes.

Also, I'm putting another video link (in spot lighting) which shows the diamond in a much better light ;)) (I know I know, spot lighting hides alot of imperfections, but sometimes looking at this video makes me feel alot better)

http://video.jogiadiamonds.com.au/image ... 6997-2.mov
 
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Lovinggems said:
I know how you're feeling apprehensive about the inclusions being visible from the side view. When I bought my wedding band I was told the diamonds were vs1&2, however through a loupe I can see one of the diamonds has several black carbon spots. I can't see it with my naked eyes but I wasn't happy about it, I was also expecting no visible inclusions for a vs 1, it is a small psychological issue. Btw my diamond is very small, nothing compare to a 2 ct, so I'm not sure if size effects visibility.

I know the inclusions are very enlarge in your pictures, and it may be a very beautiful in real life, so maybe it's prudent to view in in person before you decide, I thought you have it in person already, my apologies. Another issue is the diamond's symmetry seemed to be a bit off, I don't know diamond technical jargon so I'll let the technical experts explain this to you.
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Hi Loving gems,
Thanks for your feedback. I was just curious to see why you thought so.
And yes, I was extremely SHOCKED when I saw sooo many small inclusions in the video since I had always thought a VS2 diamond was 'eye-clean' from all angles. I guess this was a HUGE lesson Ive been learning over the past week.
You are also right in that the symmetry is a bit off - only got a VG rating by GIA. Again, I'm not sure how much this will bother me, since I am not too familiar with optical symmetry. Plus I have astigmatism, so for most of my life, I see things a lil bit off compared to ppl w normal sight. Thanks again for your comments!
 
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2nd attempt!

[http://video.jogiadiamonds.com.au/images/analysis/GIA2125386997-2.mov]

[http://video.jogiadiamonds.com.au/images/analysis/GIA2125386997.mov]

is this what you mean?
 
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daysie8 said:
Lovinggems said:
I know how you're feeling apprehensive about the inclusions being visible from the side view. When I bought my wedding band I was told the diamonds were vs1&2, however through a loupe I can see one of the diamonds has several black carbon spots. I can't see it with my naked eyes but I wasn't happy about it, I was also expecting no visible inclusions for a vs 1, it is a small psychological issue. Btw my diamond is very small, nothing compare to a 2 ct, so I'm not sure if size effects visibility.

I know the inclusions are very enlarge in your pictures, and it may be a very beautiful in real life, so maybe it's prudent to view in in person before you decide, I thought you have it in person already, my apologies. Another issue is the diamond's symmetry seemed to be a bit off, I don't know diamond technical jargon so I'll let the technical experts explain this to you.
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Hi Loving gems,
Thanks for your feedback. I was just curious to see why you thought so.
And yes, I was extremely SHOCKED when I saw sooo many small inclusions in the video since I had always thought a VS2 diamond was 'eye-clean' from all angles. I guess this was a HUGE lesson Ive been learning over the past week.
You are also right in that the symmetry is a bit off - only got a VG rating by GIA. Again, I'm not sure how much this will bother me, since I am not too familiar with optical symmetry. Plus I have astigmatism, so for most of my life, I see things a lil bit off compared to ppl w normal sight. Thanks again for your comments!
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Good luck, I hope the diamond is beautiful in real life, and as long as you and your fiance (I think most importantly you :mrgreen: ) are happy with the diamond it's all that matters. I am sure you've done your research and made your decision accordingly. If it doesn't work out it's good to know you have a full refund policy as insurance.
 
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