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DD12345

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Ok, so after my last post it was back to the drawing board. I'm still looking for ~2ct, VS1-VS2 maybe SI1, XXX, <$18,500...now leaning towards a dropping color from G/H to and I, and I've found 2 that I really like. Thoughts on these two? They would be set in a solitaire white gold low dome 2mm setting. My biggest concern is the medium florescence. I'm proposing on a vacation in a tropical area and we'll be outdoors constantly. I'm worried the ring will have a blue hue...otherwise we are the northern portion of the US so from what I understand this typically isn't an issue otherwise with sunlight at that latitude? Not sure, so much conflicting info...

2.03ct, I, VS1, xxx, medium blue, HCA 2.4 (issue?)
https://www.bluenile.com/build-your...AMONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab

2.00, I, VS1, medium blue, HCA 0.7
https://www.bluenile.com/build-your...AMONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab

Thanks!
 
Of these two, I prefer the 2.03 I VS1.

BN won't give out IS images, so it may be hard to compare directly to JA. But, these are worth putting on hold and requesting an IS (idealscope) image to give you some comparisons.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3747498 (looks very clean. Needs an IS to ensure the high crown is as good for light return as it is pretty. good angles.)

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...-color-vvs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-4553096 {You don't gain any size here, but the clarity is lovely. great angles}
 
rockysalamander said:
Of these two, I prefer the 2.03 I VS1.

BN won't give out IS images, so it may be hard to compare directly to JA. But, these are worth putting on hold and requesting an IS (idealscope) image to give you some comparisons.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3747498 (looks very clean. Needs an IS to ensure the high crown is as good for light return as it is pretty. good angles.)

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...-color-vvs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-4553096 {You don't gain any size here, but the clarity is lovely. great angles}
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Thank you for the advice. Any thoughts on the florescence on the BN diamonds? Also the HCA of 2.4?
 
rockysalamander said:
If you will be in very strong UV, she may see blue in the sun. But, since blue diamonds are far more valuable, I'm not sure why that would be a negative. :mrgreen2:

I'd recommend whatever setting you choose, go with 6 prongs.

JA setting that is a good match to BN
https://www.jamesallen.com/engageme...mfort-fit-solitaire-engagement-ring-item-7086 (4 prong)
https://www.jamesallen.com/engageme...solitaire-engagement-ring-six-prong-item-7995 (6 prong)
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Shoot, she's pretty set on 4 prongs vs. 6. Think it's high risk to put a 2ct in a 4prong solitaire setting? I've read articles that both put my mind at ease and have me worried about 4 prongs...
 
If she damages 1-prong out of 4, she has a high risk of losing the diamond. At least get platinum if you go with 4-prongs as it is damaged, platinum deforms rather than breaks. During deformation, platinum i more likely to hold onto the diamond.

What about double prongs? More metal and more prongs to hang onto the diamond?
https://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/platinum-double-prong-solitaire-item-41143

You should also insure the ring, regardless of the setting. Also, and I say this with hesitations...I assume the tropical location may involve an ocean or pool and swimming? You really need to figure out where she can put this ring when swimming. In the ocean, fingers will dehydrate and shrink, meaning a ring will slip right off. That is why so many folks hang out on the beach with metal detectors. In a pool, the same can happen due to temperature -- but also chlorine is not advised for precious metals.
 
rockysalamander said:
If she damages 1-prong out of 4, she has a high risk of losing the diamond. At least get platinum if you go with 4-prongs as it is damaged, platinum deforms rather than breaks. During deformation, platinum i more likely to hold onto the diamond.

What about double prongs? More metal and more prongs to hang onto the diamond?
https://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/solitaire/platinum-double-prong-solitaire-item-41143

You should also insure the ring, regardless of the setting. Also, and I say this with hesitations...I assume the tropical location may involve an ocean or pool and swimming? You really need to figure out where she can put this ring when swimming. In the ocean, fingers will dehydrate and shrink, meaning a ring will slip right off. That is why so many folks hang out on the beach with metal detectors. In a pool, the same can happen due to temperature -- but also chlorine is not advised for precious metals.
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Excellent advice! I've been stressing a bit about the whole swimming thing, but she'll be just as worried about losing it as I will be so I don't think taking it off will be an issue!

Suppose I was caught in analysis paralysis and have waited too long to get the ideal scope for the two JA diamonds you suggested (since JA chat just told me it would be about a week to get them uh oh )...which would you choose in their absence?
 
rockysalamander said:
If you will be in very strong UV, she may see blue in the sun. But, since blue diamonds are far more valuable, I'm not sure why that would be a negative. :mrgreen2:
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I'll also note, she's very likely to see blue under a broad blue sky and it's not going to be fluorescence but a reflection since reflecting their environment is something diamonds do extremely well. I would say that medium fluorescence is a non-issue and she's unlikely to ever actually see it unless she gets a gel polish or is otherwise in a UV lit environment.
 
foxinsox said:
I'll also note, she's very likely to see blue under a broad blue sky and it's not going to be fluorescence but a reflection since reflecting their environment is something diamonds do extremely well. I would say that medium fluorescence is a non-issue and she's unlikely to ever actually see it unless she gets a gel polish or is otherwise in a UV lit environment.
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Great point! I appreciate the input.
 
The 2.00 in an ideal world should have come out at 1.98cts. The slightly thick girdle across the entire stone was likely left that way to get it up to the 2ct magic mark. That plus it also is not as round compared to the 2.03 (diameter varies by 0.07mm).

The 2.03 should have come out as a 2ct stone. The additional weight likely came from having the CA averaging out at 35 degrees rather than something lower at say 34.5.

Interestingly, like rocky, I’m more inclined for the stone with the marginally higher than 2 HCA score rather than the one with the lower one out of the BN choices. I’m not usuallly that much of a fan of stones with shallow CA’s.

Given rounding on GIA reports (nearest 0.5 degree for CA and nearest 0.2 for PA), if the CA was at 34.8 and the PA was at 40.9 with the same table and depth for the 2.03, it’d score 1.9 on the HCA. If the other way (CA 35.2, PA 41.1) HCA comes out at 3.4.

@rockysalamander’s JA choices, the 2.07, i’d Be inclined to ask their gemologist about the clouds that were not plotted and whether they impact negatively. The twinning wisps though aren’t particularly noticeable, so nice find. Also would be asking for IS to confirm light performance as the 36 CA on the GIA report could be a 36.2 which brings up the HCA score to 2.

The 2ct I VVS1 is stupendously clean and with very safe specs. The strong blue also is a nice bonus. Would want the JA gemologist to advise if it looks hazy under strong UV conditions. I’d prefer this one over the 2.07.
 
bmfang said:
The 2.00 in an ideal world should have come out at 1.98cts. The slightly thick girdle across the entire stone was likely left that way to get it up to the 2ct magic mark. That plus it also is not as round compared to the 2.03 (diameter varies by 0.07mm).

The 2.03 should have come out as a 2ct stone. The additional weight likely came from having the CA averaging out at 35 degrees rather than something lower at say 34.5.

Interestingly, like rocky, I’m more inclined for the stone with the marginally higher than 2 HCA score rather than the one with the lower one out of the BN choices. I’m not usuallly that much of a fan of stones with shallow CA’s.

Given rounding on GIA reports (nearest 0.5 degree for CA and nearest 0.2 for PA), if the CA was at 34.8 and the PA was at 40.9 with the same table and depth for the 2.03, it’d score 1.9 on the HCA. If the other way (CA 35.2, PA 41.1) HCA comes out at 3.4.

@rockysalamander’s JA choices, the 2.07, i’d Be inclined to ask their gemologist about the clouds that were not plotted and whether they impact negatively. The twinning wisps though aren’t particularly noticeable, so nice find. Also would be asking for IS to confirm light performance as the 36 CA on the GIA report could be a 36.2 which brings up the HCA score to 2.

The 2ct I VVS1 is stupendously clean and with very safe specs. The strong blue also is a nice bonus. Would want the JA gemologist to advise if it looks hazy under strong UV conditions. I’d prefer this one over the 2.07.
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Thanks. Thoughts on the I color? I was set on a g/h but my searches landed me on an I...I’m a little concerned about yellow tint. I’ve been to jewelers and seen the whole spectrum but it’s all a blur in my mind when I try to think back on it :/
 
I detect a tiny hint of warmth face up and the tint is more noticeable side facing. Depends on how much metal you have on the sides (basket or just prongs) of your preferred setting.
 
bmfang said:
I detect a tiny hint of warmth face up and the tint is more noticeable side facing. Depends on how much metal you have on the sides (basket or just prongs) of your preferred setting.
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Yeah, the more I look at it the more I feel that way too. I’m starting to think I isnt the best color for this setting (white gold or platinum, low dome solitaire). Shoot, back to the drawing board for a g/h and possibly go to SI1 or better. Any leads on a good stone with those specs?

This look any good?: https://www.bluenile.com/build-your...AMONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab
 
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I will say though, my wife has a K coloured Brian Gavin Blue (medium blue fluorescence) set in 18kt white gold and in day to day life, we can’t detect any discernable warmth face up or from the side.
 
DD12345 said:
Thanks. Thoughts on the I color? I was set on a g/h but my searches landed me on an I...I’m a little concerned about yellow tint. I’ve been to jewelers and seen the whole spectrum but it’s all a blur in my mind when I try to think back on it :/
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I colour ( GIA graded as an example) is where those in the industry believe consumers begin to see a hint of warmth from the side, but this is subject to taste and personal interpretation.
 
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