Diamond Advice 1.770 AGS Ideal G SI1

[RCheong888]

Hi All,

I was hoping I could get some advice from all of you. I'm looking into purchasing a Lazare Kaplan diamond and wanted to get confirmation from PS fans that I'm making the right choice. Any information would be helpful:

Price: $14,900
Shape and Style: Round Brilliant
Measurements: 7.79 - 7.82 x 4.79 mm
Cut Grade: AGS Ideal 0
Color Grade: AGS 1.5 (G)
Clarity Grade: AGS 5 (SI1)
Carat Weight 1.770
Fluorescence: Negligible
Polish: Ideal
Symmetry: Ideal
Table: 55.2%
Crown Angle: 34.7
Crown Height: 15.4%
Girdle: Faceted, 1.2% to 3.3%
Pavilion Angle: 40.8
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%
Star Length: 55%
Lower Girdle Length: 76%
Total Depth: 61.4%
Culet: Pointed

HCA Score of 1.3

Hearts and Arrows picture**Link removed by moderator. Please upload images directly to the forum to protect security and privacy**

Thanks all PSers, can't wait to hear the feedback.

 

[stone-cold11]

Numbers look promising.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Numbers look good and the price is about right if it is a hearts and arrows diamond.

 

[Dancing Fire]

beautiful stone going by the #''s

my kind of stone love the G SI1 combo

can you repost the hearts?

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 4/22/2010 7:54:04 PM
Author:RCheong888
Hi All,

I was hoping I could get some advice from all of you. I''m looking into purchasing a Lazare Kaplan diamond and wanted to get confirmation from PS fans that I''m making the right choice. Any information would be helpful:

Price: $14,900
Shape and Style: Round Brilliant
Measurements: 7.79 - 7.82 x 4.79 mm
Cut Grade: AGS Ideal 0
Color Grade: AGS 1.5 (G)
Clarity Grade: AGS 5 (SI1)
Carat Weight 1.770
Fluorescence: Negligible
Polish: Ideal
Symmetry: Ideal
Table: 55.2%
Crown Angle: 34.7
Crown Height: 15.4%
Girdle: Faceted, 1.2% to 3.3%
Pavilion Angle: 40.8
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%
Star Length: 55%
Lower Girdle Length: 76%
Total Depth: 61.4%
Culet: Pointed

HCA Score of 1.3

Hearts and Arrows picture**Link removed by moderator. Please upload images directly to the forum to protect security and privacy**

Thanks all PSers, can''t wait to hear the feedback.

The diamond has definite potential, if you could upload the images directly here then we can go from there.

 

[RCheong888]

Hey all, thanks so much for your feedback. Here are the pictures of the hearts and arrows .

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 4/23/2010 1:06:21 PM
Author: RCheong888
Hey all, thanks so much for your feedback. Here are the pictures of the hearts and arrows .

The images look very good. LK can be beautiful diamonds, have you seen it in person?

 

[RCheong888]

Yes! But I''m not a diamond expert and to be honest all diamonds look pretty good to me.

How would you suggest I go about examining the fire, brilliance and scintillation without a Gemex machine?

 

[RCheong888]

Date: 4/23/2010 1:29:09 PM
Author: RCheong888
Yes! But I''m not a diamond expert and to be honest all diamonds look pretty good to me.


How would you suggest I go about examining the fire, brilliance and scintillation without a Gemex machine?

Lorelei,

What do you think of the price at $14,900?

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 4/23/2010 1:29:09 PM
Author: RCheong888
Yes! But I''m not a diamond expert and to be honest all diamonds look pretty good to me.

How would you suggest I go about examining the fire, brilliance and scintillation without a Gemex machine?

This diamond appears to be superbly cut, I would suggest comparing it to other LK''s, really when you are talking about this calibre of diamond all you can do is see how it compares with its peers ( other LK ) and view as many other well cut stones as you can in person.

 

[cbo]

the triangles next to the hearts seem to be unsymmetrical and uneven. would this affect the brilliance, fire etc.. in anyway? The H&A pics I''ve seen on WF and GoG usually have "perfect" and symmetrical triangles.

 

[New_Guy]

I think I saw the cert on this diamond too. My worry was the cluster of inclusions as well as the feathers that were near the girdle. That said, I never saw the diamond in person, but I would ask about those issues. FYI I was offered it for 14,850, so there may be some SLIGHT negotiating room.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 4/23/2010 1:30:32 PM
Author: RCheong888

Date: 4/23/2010 1:29:09 PM
Author: RCheong888
Yes! But I''m not a diamond expert and to be honest all diamonds look pretty good to me.


How would you suggest I go about examining the fire, brilliance and scintillation without a Gemex machine?

Lorelei,

What do you think of the price at $14,900?

I think the price is fine bearing in mind its a branded cut from a brick and mortar store.

 

[RCheong888]

Wow, that''s amazing. I''m impressed with what Pricescope members are offering me

I will keep that in mind, and you''re exactly right about the inclusions.

Date: 4/23/2010 1:36:51 PM
Author: New_Guy
I think I saw the cert on this diamond too. My worry was the cluster of inclusions as well as the feathers that were near the girdle. That said, I never saw the diamond in person, but I would ask about those issues. FYI I was offered it for 14,850, so there may be some SLIGHT negotiating room.

 

[Regular Guy]

Date: 4/23/2010 1:33:03 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 4/23/2010 1:29:09 PM
Author: RCheong888
Yes! But I''m not a diamond expert and to be honest all diamonds look pretty good to me.

How would you suggest I go about examining the fire, brilliance and scintillation without a Gemex machine?

This diamond appears to be superbly cut, I would suggest comparing it to other LK''s, really when you are talking about this calibre of diamond all you can do is see how it compares with its peers ( other LK ) and view as many other well cut stones as you can in person.

Lorelei,

I don''t know if I''m missing something, or I''m naive. Using the search by cut database here...granted, although you''re comparing to other diamonds here that are (only somewhat) also branded (maybe not with GOG?), the price spread there is $14 - 16 K, putting this one right in the middle.

Seems the extra qualification, either to other LK, or to b&m, is not really needed. No?

I like it.

 

[stone-cold11]

Date: 4/23/2010 1:36:01 PM
Author: cbo
the triangles next to the hearts seem to be unsymmetrical and uneven. would this affect the brilliance, fire etc.. in anyway? The H&A pics I''ve seen on WF and GoG usually have ''perfect'' and symmetrical triangles.

You meant the V''s? Those are probably image artifacts with the stone and scope not set up properly leveled. You will note the symm about an axis in the asymm and a slight curve at the end of the point of the V.

 

[cbo]

ok thanks for clarifying. wasn''t sure myself. so one shouldnt be worrying about those "v''s"

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 4/23/2010 1:54:04 PM
Author: Regular Guy

Date: 4/23/2010 1:33:03 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 4/23/2010 1:29:09 PM
Author: RCheong888
Yes! But I'm not a diamond expert and to be honest all diamonds look pretty good to me.

How would you suggest I go about examining the fire, brilliance and scintillation without a Gemex machine?

This diamond appears to be superbly cut, I would suggest comparing it to other LK's, really when you are talking about this calibre of diamond all you can do is see how it compares with its peers ( other LK ) and view as many other well cut stones as you can in person.

Lorelei,

I don't know if I'm missing something, or I'm naive. Using the search by cut database here...granted, although you're comparing to other diamonds here that are (only somewhat) also branded (maybe not with GOG?), the price spread there is $14 - 16 K, putting this one right in the middle.

Seems the extra qualification, either to other LK, or to b&m, is not really needed. No?

I like it.

I don't think I got my meaning across adequately Ira, what I meant was that the price was good especially as it is an LK from what I presume is a b&m store and thus could have been quite a bit more.

 

[RCheong888]

Date: 4/23/2010 1:57:05 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 4/23/2010 1:54:04 PM

Author: Regular Guy

Date: 4/23/2010 1:33:03 PM

Author: Lorelei

Date: 4/23/2010 1:29:09 PM

Author: RCheong888

Yes! But I''m not a diamond expert and to be honest all diamonds look pretty good to me.


How would you suggest I go about examining the fire, brilliance and scintillation without a Gemex machine?

This diamond appears to be superbly cut, I would suggest comparing it to other LK''s, really when you are talking about this calibre of diamond all you can do is see how it compares with its peers ( other LK ) and view as many other well cut stones as you can in person.

Lorelei,


I don''t know if I''m missing something, or I''m naive. Using the search by cut database here...granted, although you''re comparing to other diamonds here that are (only somewhat) also branded (maybe not with GOG?), the price spread there is $14 - 16 K, putting this one right in the middle.


Seems the extra qualification, either to other LK, or to b&m, is not really needed. No?


I like it.

I don''t think I got my meaning across adequately Ira, what I meant was that the price was good especially as it is an LK from what I presume is a b&m store and thus could have been more.

It''s a local jeweler.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 4/23/2010 1:58:39 PM
Author: RCheong888

Date: 4/23/2010 1:57:05 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 4/23/2010 1:54:04 PM

Author: Regular Guy

Date: 4/23/2010 1:33:03 PM

Lorelei,


I don''t know if I''m missing something, or I''m naive. Using the search by cut database here...granted, although you''re comparing to other diamonds here that are (only somewhat) also branded (maybe not with GOG?), the price spread there is $14 - 16 K, putting this one right in the middle.


Seems the extra qualification, either to other LK, or to b&m, is not really needed. No?


I like it.

I don''t think I got my meaning across adequately Ira, what I meant was that the price was good especially as it is an LK from what I presume is a b&m store and thus could have been more.

It''s a local jeweler.

Thats what I thought.

 

[stone-cold11]

Date: 4/23/2010 1:56:45 PM
Author: cbo
ok thanks for clarifying. wasn''t sure myself. so one shouldnt be worrying about those ''v''s''

Probably not in this case as OP has seen the actual image himself. If this is an online stone and sold as a H&A, will depend on you personal pref on how strict you want a H&A to be.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 4/23/2010 1:54:32 PM
Author: Stone-cold11

Date: 4/23/2010 1:36:01 PM
Author: cbo
the triangles next to the hearts seem to be unsymmetrical and uneven. would this affect the brilliance, fire etc.. in anyway? The H&A pics I''ve seen on WF and GoG usually have ''perfect'' and symmetrical triangles.

You meant the V''s? Those are probably image artifacts with the stone and scope not set up properly leveled. You will note the symm about an axis in the asymm and a slight curve at the end of the point of the V.

Yes those can come down to tilt/ image set up in some cases, its not uncommon.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 4/23/2010 1:56:45 PM
Author: cbo
ok thanks for clarifying. wasn''t sure myself. so one shouldnt be worrying about those ''v''s''

nope,they are beautiful set of hearts.

 

[RCheong888]

Date: 4/23/2010 2:02:43 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 4/23/2010 1:54:32 PM

Author: Stone-cold11

Date: 4/23/2010 1:36:01 PM

Author: cbo

the triangles next to the hearts seem to be unsymmetrical and uneven. would this affect the brilliance, fire etc.. in anyway? The H&A pics I''ve seen on WF and GoG usually have ''perfect'' and symmetrical triangles.

You meant the V''s? Those are probably image artifacts with the stone and scope not set up properly leveled. You will note the symm about an axis in the asymm and a slight curve at the end of the point of the V.

Yes those can come down to tilt/ image set up in some cases, its not uncommon.

So, I was there when the picture was taken and it was literally the salesperson sticking his person digital camera on top of the Hearts and Arrows viewer. This might''ve caused the problem CBO is referring to? What do you PSers think? Thanks so much. Very insightful.

 

[RCheong888]

Also PSers, one more question:

All things being equal which I know is impossible given all the various factors. What would the average markup be for a Lazare Kaplan diamond vs. a non branded diamond?

 

[Dancing Fire]

RC...you being Chinese should look for a 2.88 ct stone.

but seriously LK stones are well made.

what is the date on the AGS report?

 

[RCheong888]

Date: 4/23/2010 2:37:30 PM
Author: Dancing Fire
RC...you being Chinese should look for a 2.88 ct stone.

but seriously LK stones are well made.

what is the date on the AGS report?

2.888 would be very nice. Date is 3/22/2010.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 4/23/2010 2:46:06 PM
Author: RCheong888

Date: 4/23/2010 2:37:30 PM
Author: Dancing Fire
RC...you being Chinese should look for a 2.88 ct stone.

but seriously LK stones are well made.

what is the date on the AGS report?

2.888 would be very nice. Date is 3/22/2010.

does the report look like this one?
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamond/diamond-detail/?product_id=AGS-1040407590001

 

[RCheong888]

Date: 4/23/2010 3:03:33 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 4/23/2010 2:46:06 PM

Author: RCheong888

Date: 4/23/2010 2:37:30 PM

Author: Dancing Fire

RC...you being Chinese should look for a 2.88 ct stone.

but seriously LK stones are well made.

what is the date on the AGS report?

2.888 would be very nice. Date is 3/22/2010.

does the report look like this one?

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamond/diamond-detail/?product_id=AGS-1040407590001

No, it''s actually landscape and does not include the light performance picture. Is this a problem?

 

[Dreamer_D]

The price is very competitive for a branded H&A cut, actually on the lower end of what I have seen online (as Ira intimated).

I think if you have seen it in person and examined it in a number of lighting environments to ensure that it is eye clean then you have a nice option here!