Curiosity about AGS 1 and AGS 2 graded diamonds

[oldminer]

In these days of economic challenges more people may be looking for safe yet reasonable for compromises when it comes to selecting a diamond. The dealers active on Pricescope have done an excellent job of serving people who want "no compromise" in cut. This is a very safe mode for consumers, but there is far greater safe latitude which a consumer might wish to consider.

I have seen very few, if any AGS 1 or AGS 2 diamonds coming with AGS documentation. Most or nearly all of them would be reasonably safe for a consumer to consider buying. They''d be a less costly and seeing good pictures of them via your computer would tell you a great deal about how they actually look. It would not become a waste of postage for shipping ugly diamonds. Nothing close to that.

It would take the consideration of diamond dealers and some recognition that a demand may exist for this sort of cut compromise. What if you could search Pricescope for AGS 1 or AGS 2 cuts as well as AGS 0? You could gain an appreciation of the cost differential and maybe the AGSL could do more business using their Platinum system. This would help eliminate what is going to be confusing at best.

Would consumers be willing to consider a cut less than AGS 0? Would dealers be willing to buy and list diamonds less than AGS 0 but with AGS documents? Neither side will move without assurance from the other, but maybe a dialog on the subject here would be of interest to many of us. My experience has been that there are many wonderful diamonds to be considered and purchased which don''t quite Ideal standards. Finding a successful way of marketing these via the Internet would offer a a huge increase in the potential sales of diamonds which could be bought with great safety and comfort on-line.

What do you think?????

 

[Rhino]

Greetings friend,

Yes and No.

Firstly I feel that even the "0" grade for light performance in the realm of princess cuts is a tad loose. There are some 0's I don't/wouldn't stock. Seeing an AGS 1 or AGS 2 in light performance then would really *not* motivate me personally. The 1's and 2's I've personally seen I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole if the hit was taken for reasons of performance.

If however the diamond displays top optics and got a 1 or 2 grade because of polish/symmetry ... those I already stock and happily do so (although these are GIA princess cuts with vg as either polish/symmetry or both).

So in a nutshell ... If it affects beauty/appearance no ... if it doesn't yes.

Drop me a buzz one of these days too! We haven't spoken in a while my ol friend.

Warm regards,

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 10/21/2008 11:46:20 AM
Author:oldminer
In these days of economic challenges more people may be looking for safe yet reasonable for compromises when it comes to selecting a diamond. The dealers active on Pricescope have done an excellent job of serving people who want ''no compromise'' in cut. This is a very safe mode for consumers, but there is far greater safe latitude which a consumer might wish to consider.

I have seen very few, if any AGS 1 or AGS 2 diamonds coming with AGS documentation. Most or nearly all of them would be reasonably safe for a consumer to consider buying. They''d be a less costly and seeing good pictures of them via your computer would tell you a great deal about how they actually look. It would not become a waste of postage for shipping ugly diamonds. Nothing close to that.

It would take the consideration of diamond dealers and some recognition that a demand may exist for this sort of cut compromise. What if you could search Pricescope for AGS 1 or AGS 2 cuts as well as AGS 0? You could gain an appreciation of the cost differential and maybe the AGSL could do more business using their Platinum system. This would help eliminate what is going to be confusing at best.

Would consumers be willing to consider a cut less than AGS 0? Would dealers be willing to buy and list diamonds less than AGS 0 but with AGS documents? Neither side will move without assurance from the other, but maybe a dialog on the subject here would be of interest to many of us. My experience has been that there are many wonderful diamonds to be considered and purchased which don''t quite Ideal standards. Finding a successful way of marketing these via the Internet would offer a a huge increase in the potential sales of diamonds which could be bought with great safety and comfort on-line.

What do you think?????

Absolutely if all the info was provided and Idealscope images.

 

[Regular Guy]

It may or may not be a related question...

But I wonder to what extent a gold ideal is protection for improved performance over an AGS1.

Based on the substance of Jonathan''s response...the protection may either not be sufficient...or the protection may anyway not be practical (since the availability in practice of an AGS1 may not be there)...

 

[Regular Guy]

Date: 10/21/2008 12:36:45 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 10/21/2008 11:46:20 AM
Author:oldminer
In these days of economic challenges more people may be looking for safe yet reasonable for compromises when it comes to selecting a diamond. The dealers active on Pricescope have done an excellent job of serving people who want ''no compromise'' in cut. This is a very safe mode for consumers, but there is far greater safe latitude which a consumer might wish to consider.

I have seen very few, if any AGS 1 or AGS 2 diamonds coming with AGS documentation. Most or nearly all of them would be reasonably safe for a consumer to consider buying. They''d be a less costly and seeing good pictures of them via your computer would tell you a great deal about how they actually look. It would not become a waste of postage for shipping ugly diamonds. Nothing close to that.

It would take the consideration of diamond dealers and some recognition that a demand may exist for this sort of cut compromise. What if you could search Pricescope for AGS 1 or AGS 2 cuts as well as AGS 0? You could gain an appreciation of the cost differential and maybe the AGSL could do more business using their Platinum system. This would help eliminate what is going to be confusing at best.

Would consumers be willing to consider a cut less than AGS 0? Would dealers be willing to buy and list diamonds less than AGS 0 but with AGS documents? Neither side will move without assurance from the other, but maybe a dialog on the subject here would be of interest to many of us. My experience has been that there are many wonderful diamonds to be considered and purchased which don''t quite Ideal standards. Finding a successful way of marketing these via the Internet would offer a a huge increase in the potential sales of diamonds which could be bought with great safety and comfort on-line.

What do you think?????

Absolutely if all the info was provided and Idealscope images.

Lorelie,

Why do you say?

I ask...from the perspective, personally...as I''ve shared before...that this talk about new systems has thrown some new light for me on what AGS0 was already doing with their 0.

Why trust what you can see particularly from an IS?

 

[Lorelei]

Ira, from what I have learned here, I find Idealscope a particularly useful way of confirming whether a diamond's proportions will work well together, particularly if those proportions are outside of what is considered to be the ' safe' range often used on PS. Especially with online purchasing where we can't see the diamond, if I were buying ( not likely now regrettably

as I had to promise after last time

) and from what I have observed here, Idealscope is a useful method of verifying light leakage or lack of, and I personally like something I can see concerning a particular diamond. So that would be how I would approach purchasing in this instance. Of course the more info available the better, but for me reflector images from a consumer point of view are very helpful.

 

[oldminer]

There is no question that not every AGS 0 Princess cut is as perfect as the next in appearance. There is more consistency with round diamonds cut to the AGS 0 quality, but the on-line and physical tools mentioned at your disposal for demonstrating their quality and appearance are well developed. This could readily be extended to diamonds of lower cut grades which still meet the individual standards of appearance set by each vendor. I just see a broadening of the offerings as being the next logical step in Internet diamond marketing. We have all the tools to show the product and more information than most consumers would care to learn. Now, how to make on-line sales to the majority of consumers instead of only to the minority? That''s a big event if it could happen.

AGSL would love to make more documents. Vendors would love to have wider offerings with much broader appeal to more consumers. Pricescope would benefit by more diamonds being listed for sale. Independent appraisers would be even more in demand because of the wider possibilities for such diamonds. Sellers of reputable Brands would be able to make wider comparisons. Who would be the loser?

The only loser I anticipate would be the sellers of so-called Brands which have more to do with their brand "names" than with consistent quality. Once you begin to show how those fake brands are poor choices, the real good ones would stand out more.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 10/21/2008 12:32:23 PM
Author: Rhino
Greetings friend,


Yes and No.

Firstly I feel that even the ''0'' grade for light performance in the realm of princess cuts is a tad loose. There are some 0''s I don''t/wouldn''t stock. Seeing an AGS 1 or AGS 2 in light performance then would really *not* motivate me personally. The 1''s and 2''s I''ve personally seen I wouldn''t touch with a 10 foot pole if the hit was taken for reasons of performance.


If however the diamond displays top optics and got a 1 or 2 grade because of polish/symmetry ... those I already stock and happily do so (although these are GIA princess cuts with vg as either polish/symmetry or both).


So in a nutshell ... If it affects beauty/appearance no ... if it doesn''t yes.

Drop me a buzz one of these days too! We haven''t spoken in a while my ol friend.


Warm regards,

ditto

With RB''s it depends on what the IS image shows.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 10/21/2008 1:05:21 PM
Author: Lorelei
Ira, from what I have learned here, I find Idealscope a particularly useful way of confirming whether a diamond''s proportions will work well together, particularly if those proportions are outside of what is considered to be the '' safe'' range often used on PS. Especially with online purchasing where we can''t see the diamond, if I were buying ( not likely now regrettably

as I had to promise after last time

) and from what I have observed here, Idealscope is a useful method of verifying light leakage or lack of, and I personally like something I can see concerning a particular diamond. So that would be how I would approach purchasing in this instance. Of course the more info available the better, but for me reflector images from a consumer point of view are very helpful.

well said.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 10/21/2008 3:08:00 PM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 10/21/2008 1:05:21 PM
Author: Lorelei
Ira, from what I have learned here, I find Idealscope a particularly useful way of confirming whether a diamond''s proportions will work well together, particularly if those proportions are outside of what is considered to be the '' safe'' range often used on PS. Especially with online purchasing where we can''t see the diamond, if I were buying ( not likely now regrettably

as I had to promise after last time

) and from what I have observed here, Idealscope is a useful method of verifying light leakage or lack of, and I personally like something I can see concerning a particular diamond. So that would be how I would approach purchasing in this instance. Of course the more info available the better, but for me reflector images from a consumer point of view are very helpful.

well said.

Thanks Karl!