Countries that do not accept Jewish passports

[arkieb1]

Yep which is why banning some people from entering the US based on either country of origin or their religion with no history of criminal acts or no history of belonging to extremist groups as some sort of counter move to perceived future terrorist acts in the US is absurd. Especially when statistically you are more likely to be killed by your own children with guns, but don't get me started on that....

I think intolerance is spreading in a lot of Western countries, it's not just against Jewish people, it's against Muslims, it's against people of various different ethnicities and skin colours, it is against anyone perceived as "the other" when we are talking about a severe right wing nationalist based movement that fuels irrational illogical fears people have.

 

[missy]

Arkie, yes agreed. But my point is about what Elie Wiesel wrote. That being anti-Jewish (and anti Jews) seems like the last accepted prejudice in the world today. And not just by extreme right wing nationalist groups.

Why do people hate Jews and Judaism? (COMMENTARY)

By Benjamin Blech | Religion News Service May 21, 2015

NEW YORK — As Jews around the world prepare to celebrate the holiday of Shavuot commemorating the acceptance of the Ten Commandments at Mount Sinai, we are profoundly disturbed by the resurgence of global anti-Semitism. What seems not sufficiently understood is the deep connection between these two, Sinai and anti-Semitism.

The link between the two can allow us to resolve one of the most perplexing questions surrounding the history of the Jewish people.




Seven decades after the Holocaust, the hatred of Jews and Judaism has reappeared with a vengeance in the major capitals of Europe. In the contemporary disguise of anti-Zionism, once again it made its way around the world. Jews as a people and Israel as their land are once more the scapegoats responsible for all the world’s ills and the cause of all of its wrongs.

For the longest time, scholars have attempted to understand what is it about Jews that made them the focus of this obsessive animosity. As fewer than one quarter of 1 percent of the world’s population, what could possibly have turned them into the supreme villains of mankind? And how did countries with not even a single Jew become rabid anti-Semites?

The question is so perplexing that many have simply given up trying to come up with an answer. Elie Wiesel, the Nobel Prize winner and Holocaust survivor, concluded that the endurance of anti-Semitism remains a mystery; he described anti-Semitism as an “irrational disease.” The unsolvable puzzle, he said, is that “the world has changed in the last 2,000 years, and only anti-Semitism has remained. . The only disease that has not found its cure is anti-Semitism.”

Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, expressed the fear that “we currently face as great a threat to the safety and security of the Jewish people as the one we faced in the 1930s — if not a greater one,” but he could find no better explanation for its persistent presence other than calling it “a spiritual and psychological illness.”

True, reasons for anti-Semitism have often been offered. Their obvious error invariably was the inherent contradiction of their explanations. Jews were despised because they were too liberal — and also because they were too conservative. They were too cheap and of course they were also too spendthrift; too passive and too pushy; too charitable and too selfish; too religious and too secular.

Pick any characteristic and Jews have been blamed either for possessing too much of it or not having it at all. Jews have been the scapegoats for the sins of every political system. Max Nordau, the great Zionist leader, had it right: “The Jews are not hated because they have evil qualities; evil qualities are sought for in them because they are hated.”

Still, that begs the question: Why?

A little over a century ago, with the beginning of the Zionist movement, Jews thought they at last had found the answer. Theodore Herzl fervently believed that it was all because the Jews had no land of their own. Stateless, they were natural victims. Only their abnormal political reality caused them to become international pariahs. No longer homeless, with Israel Jews would find acceptance and universal respect.

Yet the state of Israel has disabused Jews of Hertzl’s response to anti-Semitism. If anything, Jews with a state of their own have become far more vulnerable to the world’s hostility. Israel has the dubious distinction of being the only member of the United Nations whose right to exist is regularly challenged and whose elimination from the world map is the aim of other U.N. member states.

What then is the answer to the reason for anti-Semitism?

The rabbis of the Talmud saw it in the very name of the mountain on which the Ten Commandments were given. “Sinai” in Hebrew is similar to the word “sinah” — hatred. It was the Jews’ acceptance of a higher law of morality and ethics that was responsible for the world’s enmity.

Jews were the first to preach the message of the Ten Commandments, that worship of God includes the second tablet of respect for fellow mankind. As the mother religion of both Christianity and Islam, Judaism pioneered the ideal of the holy and the human need for acting in accord with divine law. But anti-Semitism stands in opposition to the very idea of civilization. It detests Jews because it acknowledges that Jews are the conscience of humanity and the lawgivers of ethical and moral behavior.


Amazingly enough, Adolf Hitler dared to verbalize it as justification for his plan for genocide of the Jewish people: “Conscience is a Jewish invention like circumcision. My task is to free men from the dirty and degrading ideas of conscience and morality.”

As Jews prepare to celebrate the reception of the Ten Commandments, anti-Semitism ought to be viewed as a badge of honor. Jews are hated not because they are bad but because they persist in reminding the world of what it means to be good. Anti-Semitism is nothing less than a visceral reaction to the cry of a guilty conscience.

 

[ruby59]

There are 16 countries that do not accept Israeli passports.

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If the argument is that it's OK for the US to ban Muslims because other countries ban Jewish people or people traveling on an Israeli passport... or that those things are comparable... then state that case and let's discuss it.

Neither is OK, but where is the outrage for when these countries do it?

I have close family in Israel, ruby, as I have stated. Not only does my husband's only sister live there, but her grandson, who has lived here in the US for the past 15 years and is like a son to me, is still an Israeli citizen.

However...I am an American. I feel responsible for what my country does, not for what other countries, some of which I might consider barbaric, do. I am sure that some of the countries which bar Israelis are countries which do other things of which I disapprove.
I am not going to protest all the policies of every country in the world with equal vigor.

If I were going to protest every bad policy in every other country in the world I would never have time to sleep! Even if I protested only the most wicked policies in the largest and most powerful countries in the world I would have no time to sleep. There is just far too much that needs protesting, far too much going on in the world that should provoke outrage from any decent human being.

Deb

And as an American I am more concerned with its citizens and that no one is shot or bombed.

And as a Jewish woman, I am not particularly endeared to countries who do the same or worse because with them it is solely based on religion.

 

[ruby59]

I once worked with a gal from Lebanon. I told her that I had dreamed of visiting Lebanon and Israel. She told me that if I had one stamp on my passport, I could not get into the other country (so basically, pick one you want to visit!).

This is not true (that one has to choose). These "rules" (about being unable to go to Israel if you have been to an Arab country and vice versa) have been in effect for as long as I can remember. The countries involved almost always accommodate the traveler by stamping something (like a removable visa) or being willing not to stamp anything. International commerce would be impossible of people didn't play the game. Then, of course, many people have several passports as well. At one point I had two from different countries (The US and Italy).

AGBF

And since I have an Italian last name I can hide that I am Jewish and go anywhere I want.

Where is thatv omit icon when you need it.

 

[arkieb1]

And as an American I am more concerned with its citizens and that no one is shot or bombed.

If that were true then why do so many Americans that believe in these bans also disagree with tighter/better gun control laws. As stated on the other page, you, your children and grandchildren are infinitely more likely to be shot or bombed by a white male teen that feels like a social outcast, in a robbery gone wrong, by domestic violence again perpetrated by a white male, by simply being at the wrong place at the wrong time in a society that doesn't have enough police and too many guns, than ever even encountering a terrorist....

The pure, rational statistical evidence doesn't back up your fears.

And as a Jewish woman, I am not particularly endeared to countries who do the same or worse because with them it is solely based on religion.

 

[Matata]

And as an American I am more concerned with its citizens and that no one is shot or bombed.

And as a Jewish woman, I am not particularly endeared to countries who do the same or worse because with them it is solely based on religion.

Great! Glad to hear that you are not particularly endeared to this country as it relates to cheeto's Muslim ban which is a ban on Islam. It's nice to see you join the dark side of us liberals if only on this one point.

Definition
Jew
noun
1. a member of the people and cultural community whose traditional religion is Judaism and who trace their origins through the ancient Hebrew people of Israel to Abraham.

Mus·lim
noun
1.a follower of the religion of Islam.
adjective
1. relating to the Muslims or their religion.

 

[missy]

https://www.algemeiner.com/the-40-worst-colleges-for-jewish-students-2016/

The Algemeiner’s 1st Annual List of the US and Canada’s Worst Campuses for Jewish Students
Of all the great and varied challenges we face as editors of a Jewish publication, one that stands out in particular is the troubling experience — dare we say the plight? — of Jewish students on many North American college campuses.

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Columbia University
New York City, New York

Dozens of antisemitic and anti-Israel incidents, including protests and walk-outs of events related to the Jewish state, have taken place at Columbia. Pro-Israel students have reported feeling “very isolated" on campus, in spite of the considerable resources the school has for its large Jewish community. There is a growing coalition of student groups and faculty members at the school voicing support for the BDS movement, and a regular Israel Apartheid Week, led by Students for Justice in Palestine, is held. This year, when Students Supporting Israel decided to respond to SJP with a demonstration of its own, the student government forced it to roll back its reaction. In April, students at the school hosted a speaker from the controversial Israeli group Breaking the Silence, which accuses the IDF of war crimes. Ultimately, it’s the extraordinarily high number of anti-Jewish incidents and the presence of a constellation of anti-Israel groups on campus that have pushed Columbia to the top of the list.

Columbia University is the worst college in the United States for Jewish students, a report concludes.

The Morningside Heights school racked up more anti-Semitic and anti-Israel-related incidents than any other college in 2016, according to the Jewish publication The Algemeiner.

Thirty-two anti-Semitic incidents were reported last year at the Ivy League institution, where 14 anti-Israel student groups were formed and 127 professors — about 19 percent of the faculty — publicly supported the boycott of Israel, the publication claimed.

My alma mater. Nice.

And an article from October.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/opinion/sunday/anti-semitism-at-my-university-hidden-in-plain-sight.html