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Constructive Criticism v. Whiteflash white gold

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LaurenThePartier

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First, I wanted to say that I absolutely adore my engagement ring that Whiteflash built for me. It''s completely beautiful, unbelievable workmanship, and I get compliments on it daily! Renee was nothing but wonderful to my husband, and I have nothing but wonderful things to say about her and I will continue to use Whiteflash for every project I have in the future.
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I''ve always wanted Whiteflash to do my ring, since the very moment I visited their site after finding Pricescope in 2004, and Weston probably became very tired of hearing over the past couple of years how much I simply adored their work. Part of the reason I love them so much, is that as I understood it, they used palladium white gold for their stock settings, rather than nickel. I knew what nickel white gold did on my skin, and Weston did, as well.

When the time came to custom design my ring, he wanted everything to be a surprise, and I stayed completely out of the design process, which I was happy to do. He knew that I preferred platinum, but would be very happy with white gold because they used palladium white gold, and I knew we were on a very short time frame, with a limited budget.

My criticism is this; I recently found out that if you want palladium white gold in a custom designed setting, you have to specifically know to request it from Whiteflash. I asked Weston, and he was never asked if he wanted palladium or nickel, and he just assumed they would use what they used in their stock settings, which was the very reason I wanted to go with Whiteflash in the first place. I knew I couldn''t lose either way, if he went WG or platinum. It would probably benefit the customer to have that asked of them every time, simply because I''m pretty sure mine is nickel, and I wish I had known to tell him to request palladium specifically if he went with white gold. I''ve only worn it for 4 months, but I can see that it''s already starting to change colour a tiny bit.
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Just a little bit of advice for people who don''t know, and something that might help WF with their customer service. Again, I love all of the guidance that WF gave to my husband, and I ended up with what I think is the most gorgeous ring I could have ever envisioned!

I hope this helps.
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Lauren, I would think that maybe they could just change the shank of your ring to palladium white gold without it being a big deal. Have you asked them?
 
One more thing. I think the most important thing in any custom project is not to assume ANYTHING! I think every spec needs to be detailed in WRITING so that you have it if a mistake is made. Emails are great and remind us what we have asked for and agreed to when there are questions later.
 
I know they could probably change the setting, but I''m really, really sentimental, probably entirely too sentimental, and I want to keep the original ring that he proposed with.

I''m just posting this because I''ve been active here for 2 years, and I had no idea that you had to request palladium from WF for custom projects. Just trying to help other guys and gals out there who may not have known, as my husband didn''t know.
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Date: 5/28/2006 4:38:48 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
One more thing. I think the most important thing in any custom project is not to assume ANYTHING! I think every spec needs to be detailed in WRITING so that you have it if a mistake is made. Emails are great and remind us what we have asked for and agreed to when there are questions later.


I know, but my husband was the one who ran with this, and frankly this was his first major jewelry purchase and didn''t have the 2 years of PS surfing behind him. If he had been asked his preference, nickel or palladium, he would have known to request palladium. He just didn''t know he had to request it, and I sent him there specifically because their stock settings are all palladium.
 
I wasn''t meaning to sound critical, Lauren.
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I just think it is important for people to learn from others which is why I think you posted. Even though I am hearing WF stocks palladium WG, I think it would be best to specify 18K palladium white gold, because I think that typical nickel alloy wg would be assumed by a jeweler when one simply asks for WG. Palladium WG does cost a little more than regular WG, so that has to be clear between the buyer and jeweler.
 
Lauren, what you posted is definitely constructive esp for those considering WG settings, but I do agree that customers should not assume re: details that ARE important to them. You mention that for a few years you knew they used palladium white gold in their stock settings. Is it listed anywhere on the site about what is used for custom rings? If not, how could they know that one customer out there was expecting them to? Especially if it was never mentioned.

Anyway, I have been STRESSING on here for the last month or so that customers need to be REALLY specific about what they want from vendors. Don't leave anything to chance...especially with custom settings! So many of the problems or issues we see on here with any vendor typically is from a miscommunication whether it's from the vendor or from the customer or sometimes both. So many things would never be an issue if there was just adequate detail put into requests.

On my latest project with WF, my sister's small ACA bezel pendant, in almost every correspondence via email I had with Lesley, I kept stressing what my most important requirements were. Even on the order confirmation she sent me, I wrote back and said 'this is white gold right?' because it wasn't listed as specifically as *I* needed. Then I stressed a few more times what was important to me.
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I am sure she thought 'okay mara, i REALLY GET that you want a thin bezel and you want a super thin cable link chain and you don't want there to be alot of metal etc, get over it already!'. But I figured welp better safe than sorry esp since I had no time for any sort of re-adjustments to be made. Just the smallest details like that, confirming them once and yet again, can avoid disappointment and confusion. When I got the final piece I was ecstatic because everything I had stressed was perfect.

Anyway, to everyone out there considering a custom setting with any vendor....cover all your bases, and tell your significant others to as well. Leave nothing to chance! So much emotion goes into these settings, it's never fun to have any sort of issues with them.

ETA: Lauren hope this does not sound critical of you or hubby at all, it just underscores what I have been stressing lately which is...ask!
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Date: 5/28/2006 5:23:37 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
I wasn't meaning to sound critical, Lauren.
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I just think it is important for people to learn from others which is why I think you posted. Even though I am hearing WF stocks palladium WG, I think it would be best to specify 18K palladium white gold, because I think that typical nickel alloy wg would be assumed by a jeweler when one simply asks for WG. Palladium WG does cost a little more than regular WG, so that has to be clear between the buyer and jeweler.

Yup, that's what I'm saying. Assumptions both ways can cause issues down the road.

If it's presented in writing that you have a choice in platinum, nickel white gold, and palladium white gold, as well as yellow gold, it makes it clear on both sides.

Let's face it, most of us consumers aren't as well educated in all things jewelry as we would like to think we are. I just posted to let others know to ask, or to let Whiteflash and other vendors know that it might help to ask.
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Just a little bit of consideration from a woman who has a wonderful husband who just wanted to surprise her with a gorgeous ring.
 
Lauren,

Sorry you ended up with the wrong metal--but your ring is still one of the loveliest I''ve ever seen!
 
Date: 5/28/2006 5:42:12 PM
Author: glitterata
Lauren,

Sorry you ended up with the wrong metal--but your ring is still one of the loveliest I''ve ever seen!
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Date: 5/28/2006 5:42:12 PM
Author: glitterata
Lauren,


Sorry you ended up with the wrong metal--but your ring is still one of the loveliest I''ve ever seen!


Thanks Glitterata and Mara! I appreciate your kind words.
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This is just sort of a public service announcement I wish I would have known before I (well, he) started the process. I think we all learn things along the way, and it''s still not noticeable to anyone but me.
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Date: 5/28/2006 8:05:55 PM
Author: LaurenThePartier

Date: 5/28/2006 5:42:12 PM
Author: glitterata
Lauren,


Sorry you ended up with the wrong metal--but your ring is still one of the loveliest I''ve ever seen!


Thanks Glitterata and Mara! I appreciate your kind words.
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This is just sort of a public service announcement I wish I would have known before I (well, he) started the process. I think we all learn things along the way, and it''s still not noticeable to anyone but me.
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Lauren,
I adore your ring and think it''s absolutely lovely. I think WF should explain the differences in the different metals / mixes they use for custom pieces and give the customer the choice. That way there is no confusion as to what you end up with. To me it''s just an extra step on their part and a win, win situation on both ends!!
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Date: 5/28/2006 8:49:53 PM
Author: kaleigh
Date: 5/28/2006 8:05:55 PM

Author: LaurenThePartier


Date: 5/28/2006 5:42:12 PM

Author: glitterata

Lauren,



Sorry you ended up with the wrong metal--but your ring is still one of the loveliest I''ve ever seen!



Thanks Glitterata and Mara! I appreciate your kind words.
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This is just sort of a public service announcement I wish I would have known before I (well, he) started the process. I think we all learn things along the way, and it''s still not noticeable to anyone but me.
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Lauren,

I adore your ring and think it''s absolutely lovely. I think WF should explain the differences in the different metals / mixes they use for custom pieces and give the customer the choice. That way there is no confusion as to what you end up with. To me it''s just an extra step on their part and a win, win situation on both ends!!
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Thanks, Kaleigh! Your collection is quickly becoming my favourite, and your custom Asscher saga was an awesome story, with a completely gorgeous ring at the end!
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I think it could be nothing but beneficial for PS vendors to maybe have a form email including metal descriptions that they send out to custom project inquiries. Out of curiosity, does anyone know if any other PS vendors explain different metal options on some sort of a custom order checklist form or something? I know not everyone deals in palladium, but really, if a customer asks for white gold and the person helping you does not ask you the logical follow-up question (14k or 18k) or (nickel or paladium) - how are you to know what exactly you''re getting?

In my situation, my husband and I agreed that because we knew when we were getting married - and plans were already pretty much made - and the designing and building of the engagement ring had to be pushed up quite a bit due to circumstances beyond our control, I would be completely out of the process because he wanted to surprise me with his design. And I am very, very happy that I was not involved, because the ring was a huge surprise, and still exactly what I could have wanted. It wouldn''t have been even worth bringing up at all, if the metal wasn''t so important to the design of the ring.

We''ll just have to see how the nickel holds up over time.
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" I know not everyone deals in palladium, but really, if a customer asks for white gold and the person helping you does not ask you the logical follow-up question (14k or 18k) or (nickel or paladium) - how are you to know what exactly you're getting? "

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Well, you are speaking as an educated person in terms of the varieties of white gold which is logical because you ARE educated on white gold. I am not. If *I* was having a WG piece made, I would have no idea what to ask for other than 'umm white gold'...just like when I have things made in platinum, I also don't ask about what goes into the platinum either. Now I am kind of wondering if my w-ring and e-ring are made of different platinum mixes...maybe they are. I know that sometimes it's discussed on here that the plat mixes vendors use are 5% X and 95% Y or whatever, I never would have thought to ask the same for WG, heck I didn't even ask it for platinum...I don't even know what mix WF uses.

For me, it's just white gold or platinum and if there is something specific I *need* to not have in there, aka if I have an allergy to something, I would ask to ensure that I am having made fits the mental requirements that I have.

Anyway, it's a totally valid point and I think if you have not already you should give this feedback directly to WF...though this is very helpful for consumers, definitely.
 
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