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nateknu

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Hello Everyone! I'm looking for an "eye clean" stone and I saw this one in person and it looked great and was in my budget but I noticed that the cut isn't listed on the report. I copied and pasted the report from the AGS website and would appreciate any advice you may have. Thank you all in advance! :))

AGS#: 104065904001
Report Type: Diamond Quality™ Report
Shape and Style: Round Brilliant
Measurements: 7.34 - 7.38 x 4.46 mm
Carat Weight: 1.503
Total Depth: 60.5%
Table: 58.4%
Girdle Description: Thin to Thick, Faceted
Culet: Pointed
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Color Grade: AGS 2.5 (I)
Clarity Grade: AGS 5 (SI1)
Fluorescence: Negligible
Comments:

Additional clouds and surface graining are not shown.

Table: 58.4%
Crown Angle: 33.7
Crown Height: 13.9%
Girdle: Faceted, 2.3% to 5.7%
Pavilion Angle: 40.8
Pavilion Depth: 43.1%
Star Length: 53%
Lower Girdle Length: 79%
Total Depth: 60.5%
Culet Verbose: Pointed
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is this stone considered eye clean to u?

the inckusions are mainly at the centre which makes them more visible.

table size also seem a tad too big.
 
Inclusions might be easily visible to a trained eye or even if you look at this stone more carefully, you may be able to see those inclusions.

HCA score - 1.1 which is excellent but again I would not rely on it as the inclusions which are there on the table might obstruct the light effect. Best is I would suggest to post the image of this diamond.

Girdle - Thin to Thick, faceted. I'd prefer medium girdle.

Crystal inclusions- as per my experience, I've seen SI1/2 which have crystal inclusion no matter even if they are white, they seem to look blackish when you look at the stone in day light.

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You have seen the diamond in person, did you able to notice any inclusion? the diamond clarity SI1 makes it more on eye clean side, I mean Usually SI1 clarity stones are eyeclean So I think what you may have to do in this case is rely more on your judgement. If you could
get the Images posted than I am sure many Pser would be able to help you correctly.

Moreover, if you like the stone since you have seen it in person, I think you should go ahead with the purchase.
 
You guys are great thank you all for your comments. My girlfriend and I are far from experts but we honestly felt that the done was eye clean but our concern is why is the cut grading left out of the AGS report? Also, do you feel that 8500 is a decent price for this stone?
 
nateknu|1374858795|3490863 said:
You guys are great thank you all for your comments. My girlfriend and I are far from experts but we honestly felt that the done was eye clean but our concern is why is the cut grading left out of the AGS report? Also, do you feel that 8500 is a decent price for this stone?
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Often if a stone is not going to get the AGS 0 cut grade, which requires 0 polish and 0 symmetry as well, then the owner will pay for a less expensive report that does not report the AGS 1 or even 2 cut grade. Unlike the GIA, AGS penalizes a gem, even if it has an AGS 0 light performance grade.

If the cause of this is a minor polishing defect or minor symmetry defect it is very likely that you will not be able to detect this with the naked eye, even though you will pay much less for the diamond than you would with the coveted AGS 0 cut grade.

I will leave the pricing discussion to others since I am in the trade.

Wink
 
Thank you but I am still confused as to why the cut grading is not including in the AGS report. Are they leaving it out for a reason? Seems strange to me. I know how important the cut is. Hmm...
 
There are a few different types of AGS report formats. This one does not include a cut grade, usually because the stone would not get a 0. Ask for an Ideal Scope if you wish to pursue.

In this case it has a thick girdle which I think would automatically drop it to a 3, but the other numbers don't look bad.
 
JulieN|1374942872|3491497 said:
There are a few different types of AGS report formats. This one does not include a cut grade, usually because the stone would not get a 0. Ask for an Ideal Scope if you wish to pursue.

In this case it has a thick girdle which I think would automatically drop it to a 3, but the other numbers don't look bad.
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Precisely. The AGSL Platinum Report would give this diamond a cut grade of AGS3 ("Good") due to the girdle range.
http://www.agslab.com/products-platinum-diamond-quality-document.php

It's possible the manufacturer said "Wait a minute, that penalty seems harsh..." (defensible, since the girdle is not hurting performance and reduces spread just slightly) and either made the decision, or were advised by the lab, to consider the DQR.
http://www.agslab.com/products-diamond-quality-report.php

AGSL's Explanation (what Wink referred to above) "The Diamond Quality® Report provides an option for diamonds that have less-than-Ideal grades on cut, polish or symmetry, and, therefore, shows a maximum grade of AGS 1 (Excellent)."

I do think it's interesting that the manufacturer chose AGSL to issue the report... AGSL measures thinnest and thickest places everywhere along the girdle. It's a more severe examination, as GIA only measures at the 16 thinnest positions. In that sense there's a good chance this diamond would be GIA EX.

Side thought - What is the date on the report?
 
Ah. I should have noted that you linked it above (lazy Sunday). Thanks.
 
What would the date of the report signify? Thanks again
 
nateknu|1375134504|3492677 said:
What would the date of the report signify? Thanks again
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Nothing relevant in this case; I was just curious. Prior to 2006 GIA did not include a cut grade on reports. Some cutters submitted RBCs with near-Tolk measurements to AGSL on-principal hoping for "Ideal." At the time AGSL was using a simple 2D proportions system and GIA was judging finish-only so submission strategies were (arguably) less sophisticated.
 
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