concerned about choice...

[Maxine]

We recently purchased a 1.21 diamond, and now I am concerned...we had it looked at by an independent gemologist before it was set, since we were concerned about the reliability of the EGL certificate...for example, it stated D color, but was actually E-F, Symmetry came out VG not Ex.....measurements were very close....
This stone came out Ex, Ex, Ex, andVG when I ran the measurements through the cut advisor..

But when I went back to get the set stone appraised for ins. purposes, he said it was Vg symmetry because the culet is slightly off center...I am concerned, and wonder if it tuly is a "keeper." The guy said over and over "this is an excellent stone." It sparkles like crazy! When we walk in a jewelry store, the salespeople have come over to us and given compliments...

Apparently he didn''t notice it until it was set, and I didn''t notice, so maybe it''s not a big deal...
But it''s driving me crazy now....Any comments? It is set with 3 small rounds on each side (about.43)

 

[windowshopper]

it sounds gorgeous and likely a keeper but what concerns me is what you paid for it since you paid based on the "better" specs--can you return it................did they have any guarantee?

 

[Maxine]

We adjusted the price based on the new specs.....

 

[headlight]

Bottom line is that the measurements yielded great scores on the HCA, and you said it sparkles like crazy. Also, you were compensated for the discrepancy in the grading after your visit to the appraiser. No diamond is "perfect". If no one told you about the culet, you would''ve never known.

 

[icelady]

I think you should enjoy your beautiful diamond! You already took care of the concerns by the price adjustments for the new specs!

AND it scores really well on the cut advisor, along with sparkling like crazy! Sounds llike you got a winner!!

So enjoy it, congrats!!!

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Give us the specs Maxine

 

[Maxine]

OK...depth 61.1
table 55.7
15% (don''t have angles here)
43%
6.92X6.87
This stone is VS2...
I think these specs are right...don''t have the latest appraisal with me, the gemologist spent lots of time measuring.......

It does sparkle...people at work who have "heard" seek me out to take a look....

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

The numbers do not add up.
You quoted 23.5 crown angle in a PM.

55.7% is a very precise number for table size - crown angle - 32.5 makes 14.1% height - not 15%.

How did he "measure" the stone? Was it a Sarin or an estimation ( fairly useless).

most times an offset culet is no problem at all because it means the table is tilted.
Have you seen it with an ideal-scope or similar?

 

[valeria101]

All the numbers and stats are supposed to tell you how much better brilliance some diamond might show... I think.

But nunbers are not all that precise, and you do have the diamond. Did the appraiser provide any better detail than "sparkle like crazy" ? You seem to want it for better or worse.

 

[Maxine]

This is what was on the cert: 61.1 depth
56 table
CH 15
PD 43
G M/F


Later was told CA was 32.5......61.5 depth (4.23x6.85x6.9)
55.9 table

Al lof this done the old fashioned way - no modern machines....going there tomorrow to correct a typo on report...any other questions to ask?

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

oK

it could be a very nice stone.
But there is conflicting data.
If they have the crown angle then they have the pavilion angles too.
I am not interested in rounded %''s - and even your crwon angle seems like some ones estimate which is worth diddly squat.


If the cut is important Maxine:
1. send it to one of the appraisers under the resources at top left.
2. Or get an ideal-scope and DIY

 

[enyouartist]

You are right to have trepidation about the EGL certificate.

Diamond vendors that go through EGL may chose what color and clarity they want, up to two grades!!!

EGL has a process where the diamond vendor can rebuff their appraisal.
For example, say EGL rates a certain diamond a H SI2. The diamond vendors can tell EGL that they disagree with the assessment and that they believe that the previously EGL rated diamond is is more of like F VS2. EGL will then recertify it again, this time the preferred G SI1.

Why pay for a G SI1 when you are actually receiving a H SI2? For this reason, I would stay away from EGL''s equivocal certifications. Go with GIA; better yet AGS .

Nevertheless, as a friend here once told me, " It''s my two cents, and your seven thousand ( dollars)!"

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

E you are spreading a myth that we found to be unfounded in the case of AGL uSA.

http://grading.pricescope.com/ here you will find a survey that infact proves that the EGL stone is more often cheaper than the same stone graded by GIA, yes the exact same stone.

 

[Maxine]

I''ll see what else I can find out...don''t know if anyone around here does that....Few people around here sell stones anywhere near this one...they always have to be brought in...so this is one is so great in comparison...
I''m not concerned about the EGL thing, since I knew to not to totally that from the start...and the experience that people around here have is that they tend to be priced at what they are, not what they say they are....

Gary, are you saying it''s conflicting because of total depth? Would the stone have to be removed from mounting to analyze? These people would think I''n nuts....call it a phenomenal stone...maybe I am totally crazy..but I want to get it right...

 

[Maxine]

In another post you talked about bringing in an appraisor....I had mine looked at by an appraisor who is a graduate GIA gemologist...even had his credentials checked through GIA...yet I feel somewhat lacking in infor and a bit insecure....will talk to him at length later,,,,
Also have to get someone to look at a small stone for ins purposes...Mom''s ring cut before 194o (open culet) interesting little stone...I love it! Sentimental value, of course!